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#1 BadCat

Posted 18 April 2018 - 07:01 AM

Why I am not seeing much outrage from parents about sports "role model" Israel Folau's hate speech against the LGBTQI community?

By all means hold your belief.  Live your life by it if it floats your boat.  But when your speech causes children to feel they are not normal and must try to change who they are then it's hate speech and should be called as much.

I guess what I really want to know is why do we still tolerate what amounts to hate speech just because someone has a personal belief in a deity?

eta link- http://www.abc.net.a...s/focus/9624910

Edited by lucky 2, 18 April 2018 - 09:45 AM.
add link to content of discussion


#2 JRA

Posted 18 April 2018 - 07:40 AM

I am so shocked there has been nothing on EB/EK about it.  I know for us from Vic we have never heard of this prick, but still, I assume some people know who in the hell he is.

#3 ~J_F~

Posted 18 April 2018 - 07:52 AM

Oh there has been mention of it on EB, it was to show us that skin colour and religion are both fundamental parts of a person and cannot be changed.

I think it’s crap and I hope he loses his job and his contracts.

#4 blue86

Posted 18 April 2018 - 07:57 AM

As a rugby player, the man is brilliant. As a representative of the game (played in heaven), he needs to go.

Have all the personal beliefs you want, post whatever you want on your private page, say what you want around the dinner table...but publicly post this on a page that displays you as a representative of the game, of the teams, no. You go. This is not the message we as the rugby community (and the community at large) want spread.

#5 Bam1

Posted 18 April 2018 - 07:58 AM

Its totes okay because he is good at sport (sarcasm font)

#6 JRA

Posted 18 April 2018 - 08:00 AM

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Oh there has been mention of it on EB, it was to show us that skin colour and religion are both fundamental parts of a person and cannot be changed.


OMG I am glad I missed that, what bullsh*t (on the religion bit)

#7 Wot*A*Lot*Of_____

Posted 18 April 2018 - 08:30 AM

DH was listening to something the other day and they reckon he only said it for the controversy so he could get out of his contract and play another code.

#8 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 18 April 2018 - 08:36 AM

Interestingly - dh and I were discussing it last night and he (DH) reckoned he wouldn't have got away with it if he was a rugby league player - he reckoned they would have terminated his contract (reputation clause - bringing the sport/team into disrepute) - I don't know if that's fair to say or not. From where I'm sitting I can't see League being more tolerant than union, but anyway.

Religion gets a free pass on a lot of things.


#9 Bethlehem Babe

Posted 18 April 2018 - 08:44 AM

https://www.smh.com....417-p4za70.html

When the Victorian libs are bringing up gay conversion therapy... then getting upset that it won’t be discussed. And a government minister is more upset at the refusal to discuss the topic than the topic, I’m not surprised that there isn’t a bigger outcry.

#10 Lunafreya

Posted 18 April 2018 - 08:48 AM

This happened a few years back to an AFL player, soon enough he was looking for another job. They didn’t say why, but we all knew.

#11 lucky 2

Posted 18 April 2018 - 09:00 AM

View PostBethlehem Babe, on 18 April 2018 - 08:44 AM, said:

https://www.smh.com....417-p4za70.html

When the Victorian libs are bringing up gay conversion therapy... then getting upset that it won’t be discussed. And a government minister is more upset at the refusal to discuss the topic than the topic, I’m not surprised that there isn’t a bigger outcry.
Not quite on thread but I heard that "interview" and the health ministers behavior was abhorrent imo. My jaw dropped but really I should just tape it shut because it's permanently hanging open with the absolute crap that gets airplay.

Badcat, do you have a link you could insert re the footy player and his comments? I remember something about it but little detail.

#12 ~J_F~

Posted 18 April 2018 - 09:05 AM

He said gods plan for gay people was hell unless they repented their sins.

Googling his name brings up 100s of hits about it.

http://www.news.com....8d047a3adde6507

#13 somila

Posted 18 April 2018 - 09:28 AM

Discussion on this issue from ABC local radio.

http://www.abc.net.a...s/focus/9624910

Rugby union star Israel Folau's statement that people who are homosexual will go to "hell" has revived a much broader conversation about freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and discrimination. And that's all tied up with multi-million dollar sponsorship deals and stunning athletic skills.

#14 71Cath

Posted 18 April 2018 - 09:52 AM

I hate how we put up with this crap because he can catch a ball.  If I spoke like that at work, I think I'd be sacked.  It's rubbish that he hasn't been sacked already.

Edited by 71Cath, 18 April 2018 - 09:53 AM.


#15 Lunafreya

Posted 18 April 2018 - 10:42 AM

He says he can play rugby somewhere else. Let him, I say.

#16 marple

Posted 18 April 2018 - 10:53 AM

Was it on his twitter account? Or an official account?

#17 purplekitty

Posted 18 April 2018 - 10:55 AM

View PostLucrezia Borgia, on 18 April 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

Interestingly - dh and I were discussing it last night and he (DH) reckoned he wouldn't have got away with it if he was a rugby league player - he reckoned they would have terminated his contract (reputation clause - bringing the sport/team into disrepute) - I don't know if that's fair to say or not. From where I'm sitting I can't see League being more tolerant than union, but anyway.

Religion gets a free pass on a lot of things.
NRL teams are salivating that he might leave Union.

I'm not convinced he is worth the money or the hype and the whole thing is a debacle.

I haven't seen much support for him at all but I read an article yesterday that said if he had been fired he might had has a legal case for discrimination which put AR in a difficult position. I'll see if I can find it.

IF response to the criticism of his original comment.
https://www.playersv...u3qs7xqsJuph.97

International Ref Nigel Owens.
https://www.walesonl...harebar_twitter

All Blacks.
https://twitter.com/...393684814934016

#18 somila

Posted 18 April 2018 - 10:57 AM

From what I have read/heard it was on his own Instagram account, in response to a direct question.

"@izzyfolau what was gods [sic] plan for gay people??" user Mike Sephton-Poultney said

#19 night jasmine

Posted 18 April 2018 - 11:02 AM

View Post~J_F~, on 18 April 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

Oh there has been mention of it on EB, it was to show us that skin colour and religion are both fundamental parts of a person and cannot be changed.
I was so confused by the OP’s position. It never occurred to me that a person could not differentiate between something as intinsic and unchangeable as skin colour and a choice like religion.

#20 ~J_F~

Posted 18 April 2018 - 11:23 AM

View Postgreen mango, on 18 April 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:


I was so confused by the OP’s position. It never occurred to me that a person could not differentiate between something as intinsic and unchangeable as skin colour and a choice like religion.

I wish I could say I was confused or surprised by it but she expressed similar views in the SSM threads last year.

#21 mum2345

Posted 18 April 2018 - 11:25 AM

View PostBadCat, on 18 April 2018 - 07:01 AM, said:

Why I am not seeing much outrage from parents about sports "role model" Israel Folau's hate speech against the LGBTQI community?

By all means hold your belief.  Live your life by it if it floats your boat.  But when your speech causes children to feel they are not normal and must try to change who they are then it's hate speech and should be called as much.

I guess what I really want to know is why do we still tolerate what amounts to hate speech just because someone has a personal belief in a deity?

eta link- http://www.abc.net.a...s/focus/9624910

About your second question - do you mean 'tolerate' as in "I think Folau's comments are a violation of anti-discrimination legislation" or "I disagree with Folau's comments", or something else?

Edited by mum2345, 18 April 2018 - 11:26 AM.


#22 Feraldasherie

Posted 18 April 2018 - 11:27 AM

It's absolutely disgusting.

And I also object to him positioning himself as oh so humble and respectful when he says he is happy to leave rugby if 'that is what they want.'

That is a refusal to accept any sanction from his employer and flat out threat.

And it's worked.

#23 night jasmine

Posted 18 April 2018 - 11:29 AM

JF - I didn’t read the SSM thread. Not being religious myself, I do find it difficult to understand the unquestionable belief people have in principles and values that are at odds with human rights.

Edited by green mango, 18 April 2018 - 11:31 AM.


#24 purplekitty

Posted 18 April 2018 - 11:36 AM

View Post~J_F~, on 18 April 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

I wish I could say I was confused or surprised by it but she expressed similar views in the SSM threads last year.
"But my religious views" is the answer to any argument.

#25 Rowenas Necklace

Posted 18 April 2018 - 11:46 AM

I think Israel Folau is absolutely disgusting and should absolutely be booted from the game. Sport and society as a whole should be inclusive and welcoming - how welcomed will any gay teammates, current or future (heck, even past) feel if comments like those are excused as "just my personal views".

How will kids coming up the ranks feel that the sport they play will allow that sort of hate speech?

I was also put off by the comment by ARU CEO Raelene Castle:

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When asked if Folau understood the pain his comments could cause, Castle replied: "Yes, and I think Israel has acknowledged that maybe he could have put a positive spin on that same message and done it in a more respectful way."

It's okay to be an abhorrent human being and hold abhorrent views, just as long as you put a positive spin on them? How exactly do you put a positive spin on hate speech?




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