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#1 SashaN

Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:58 AM

Hi everyone

My DS has recently had a blood test and our integrated GP said he has a high histmamine reading.

Does anyone elses child have this?

His not normally a child who gets angry or lashes out but has been lately only the last two months and she said its probably due to this so we have to reduce his levels the came back as >2 and the average is 0.5-1.0.

I am hoping once reduced this behaviour stops as not normal for him to do this and finding it very distressing for him and my husband and I.


#2 purplekitty

Posted 19 March 2017 - 12:44 PM

I would get a second opinion.

#3 born.a.girl

Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:05 PM

Integrative GP?  The ones who believe in adrenal fatigue?

I'd be running it past a conventional GP and seeing if they have any comment about the levels.

Can I ask what took you to that doctor?  Was it his behaviour?

#4 Beltie

Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:19 PM

It sounds like you are all having a tough time and trying to do the best for your son.

Please be aware that your GP is working outside of the typical scope of a GP. Histamine is usually measured in urine because it is very difficult to measure in blood. The cells that release histamine are damaged in the process of collecting and storing blood so the reading can be falsely high.

If a GP is concerned enough about elevated histamine that they collect pathology for histamine directly they would usually be referring to a specialist doctor to consider severe allergy as well as disorders of basophils and mast cells.

If they are concerned about allergies and atopy to foods and environmental factors there are more helpful tests to do like dust, mould, grasses, pollen and specific foods. Things like hay fever can cause poor quality sleep and resultant behaviour change. They might be asleep for 10hrs a night but the quality is poor so they wake up tired and cranky.

#5 Veritas Vinum Arte

Posted 19 March 2017 - 02:07 PM

Just another item I have noticed as my second is 9-10yrs, like his brother at the same age (they are 22m apart in age), DS2 has become very belligerent and moody cranky. It seems to be a phase they grow through as cousin 15m older than my eldest went through the same too.

His brother and cousin have subsequently his puberty at 10-11yrs and I wonder if the moodiness was hormones starting.

#6 SashaN

Posted 19 March 2017 - 04:35 PM

HI everyone thanks for your post.

I am going to go to talk to my family GP Tuesday about what Integrated GP found.

I took him to the intergrated GP as he had developed very bad separation anxiety since November last year and I was told she specialises in this as well.

He did a urine test and she said he tested positive for Pyrroles which I know not all Drs agree is an actual diagnostic condition.

His never been a child to hit or be aggressive and his explosive tantrums and moods and starting to be a bit aggressive (through his fluffy toys at me this morning) very lightly kicked me and also mean words are not what he would have done 2 months ago so i am finding this all out of character.

His become oppositional and argumentitive i could always reason with him without too much negotiation.

We are seeing a childrens Psych so will tell her about this when we see her week after next.

Someone said maybe hormones but can that make him all of the above?

His also been diagnosed by an allergy specialist with dust mite allergies so we see him in a few weeks too i know he doesnt feel 100 percent so something is going on with his gut or insides as he tells me he doesnt feel 100 percent.


#7 Beltie

Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:29 PM

Good on you, you are listening to your instincts that something isn't right.

Could there be a clue in the timing? School went back almost 2 months ago. Did a friend from last year leave his school or were they placed in another class? Is he motivated with school or is he reluctant? (My daughter changed from an little joyful angel into a very unhappy, unpleasant girl this year. We have finally found out that her teacher is the cause and the teacher told her not to tell her parents because it would just worry us!)

I don't know where you are but the east coast has had very unusual weather patterns for 2-3 months resulting in high airborne loads of some pollens and moulds.

What is his sleep like? Is he snoring, waking up tired or rousing during the night?

Collect any clues you can and write them down. Think through diet, activity levels, appetite, weight, has he had a change in bowels? Is there any stress in the extended family or friends that he might be internalising?

Getting a positive in a test or a diagnosis can be a huge relief because you can get on with helping. Coming from very conventional medicine I am not confident that a blood histamine result is very helpful for your son.

#8 gabbigirl

Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:37 PM

Sounds like a normal kid testing his boundaries frankly.

I know you are doing your best, but please stop thinking that kids are meant to be agreeable and awesome all the time.

They're not, and there's often no reason for that, except that they're children and they're still figuring out their place in the world.

Good luck

#9 SashaN

Posted 19 March 2017 - 06:08 PM

Hi Beltie

He became very sick for a month 6 weeks before school finished and the anxiety escalated from then going back to school.

We have asked and tried to find out if anything related to school theres the odd mean words from some kids but I dont think anything that would warrant the anxiety and he says he loves his teacher.

Its a small school so teacher is able to keep an eye on him and the other kids.

Yes we are on the east coast and weather been bad for allergies last two-three months.

His sleep has always been up and down due to his allergies and his low in iron so on iron supplementation and having dreams but its better than it was a month ago.

Appetite been great and bowels seem how they have always been we havent had stress in the family that i would think affect him.

I am glad you found out the cause for your little girl and hope she is back to her joyous self.

I can just see his very dark and puffy under his eyes and waking up normally a child is happy even after little sleep to a grumpy moody child.

Gabbi girl yes i understand too i need to realise his a kid and testing boundaries and dont expect him to be awsome all the time as a mum i can see the change in him and feel his not feeling great on the inside.

Thanks for all your valid comments and advice really appreciate it.


#10 Beltie

Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:30 PM

The dark under eyes has a nickname - allergic shiners.

#11 Beltie

Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:37 PM

Why is he low in iron? Has he been checked for Coeliac?

There are heaps of clues in what you have written here. Put them all down as dot points and take them to your GP appointment.

#12 SashaN

Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:00 AM

HI Beltie

His on iron as his Ferritin count was low.

Yes Paediatrician did bloods for Coelic.

Good idea i will write down all the points.

Its the anger tantrums that are just making me so worried especially how they have come on only the last 6-8 weeks.


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