Jump to content

Should he have to pull it up?
Astroturf


  • Please log in to reply
36 replies to this topic

#1 Floki

Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:59 AM

This guy has put down some Astro turf on the verge in front of his house and Council are making him pull it up.

Is it a matter of council not liking it or do they have a valid reason?


#2 maurie

Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:09 AM

I'm thinking it's because of access to services under the naturestrip.   Is Astroturf hard to remove?  

Some people in my area plant gardens on their naturestrip and if Council/Water/Elec/Gas need to access their pipes they only replace the dirt and put down grass seed - they won't replace the plants.

Edited by maurie, 28 February 2013 - 08:09 AM.


#3 newphase

Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:12 AM

The council  said it is because it is a possible tripping hazard!

#4 emlis22

Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:17 AM

He doesn't own the land, so he can't just do what he wants with it. That's the bottom line. People who disregard rules and then complain irk me.

Edited by emlis22, 28 February 2013 - 08:17 AM.


#5 JRA

Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:22 AM

this is a really difficult one, sure he doesn't own the land, but it is his responsibility to keep it maintained.

This is a real contradiction, and has been forever.

Our council has the same rule, but many have put it down, and council seem to have ignored this, and often don't realise. The next door council are putting it down themselves in median strips and such

To say it is tripping hazard, when it is the grass bit, is ridiculous. Grass itself is uneven and often unkept and definitely a tripping hazard. Many footpaths are worse with tree roots causing issues.

#6 Floki

Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE (emlis22 @ 28/02/2013, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He doesn't own the land, so he can't just do what he wants with it. That's the bottom line. People who disregard rules and then complain irk me.

Yes but council would say something if he didn't maintain it. Astro turf is a viable, water friendly option.


QUOTE (JRA @ 28/02/2013, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
this is a really difficult one, sure he doesn't own the land, but it is his responsibility to keep it maintained.

This is a real contradiction, and has been forever.

Our council has the same rule, but many have put it down, and council seem to have ignored this, and often don't realise. The next door council are putting it down themselves in median strips and such

To say it is tripping hazard, when it is the grass bit, is ridiculous. Grass itself is uneven and often unkept and definitely a tripping hazard. Many footpaths are worse with tree roots causing issues.

Exactly.

If I could afford it I would replace my front yard with Astro Turf. No mowing, easy to maintain etc.

#7 YodaTheWrinkledOne

Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:45 AM

I think it is a great idea.  Will keep that in mind for our footpath.

QUOTE (JRA @ 28/02/2013, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To say it is tripping hazard, when it is the grass bit, is ridiculous. Grass itself is uneven and often unkept and definitely a tripping hazard. Many footpaths are worse with tree roots causing issues.

Very true.

I think someone on council made a decision on this situation without thinking it through.  In reality, the astro turf isn't going to present any more of a trip hazard than grass (particularly grass that is not regularly mowed and cared for), tree roots, or cracked footpaths .....

Provided services can be accessed and it is kept neat and tidy, I don't see the problem.  Best thing is that the astro turf can be easily put back after services have been accessed and you'd never know the difference.  Unlike when gardens or turf has been torn up for service access, it can take a while for recovery.


#8 haras1972

Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:52 AM

I don't think having an astro turf front lawn would be the go - I've read about how much heat they generate and retain on hot days, so I assume they would actually help to heat up surrounding buildings.

I don't know why the council went with the safety angle, I would think they would have more traction with environmental concerns. Nature strips play in role in filtering run off, water tables etc, and also, having lived in Darebin, that part of Melbourne suffers from a lack of urban nature. There are lots of streets without any trees/nature strips etc.

Plus the precedent - I wouldn't want to live in a street full of fake nature strips - there are plenty of councils across Australia that have banned astro turf for nature strips, so the problem might be that Darebin weren't pro-active about this, and banned before residents started putting it in.

#9 YodaTheWrinkledOne

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:00 AM

QUOTE (haras1972 @ 28/02/2013, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think having an astro turf front lawn would be the go - I've read about how much heat they generate and retain on hot days, so I assume they would actually help to heat up surrounding buildings.

I don't think he has used a massive strip of astro turf though.  It looks to be about 1-2 foot wide and the length of the house frontage (maybe 15m??).  It's basically the same size as the concrete footpath it's next to.  I don't think it's going to a create a major heat hazard.

It's still green and soft.  Better than a full concrete path.

#10 haras1972

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:04 AM

QUOTE (YodaTheWrinkledOne @ 28/02/2013, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think he has used a massive strip of astro turf though.  It looks to be about 1-2 foot wide and the length of the house frontage (maybe 15m??).  It's basically the same size as the concrete footpath it's next to.  I don't think it's going to a create a major heat hazard.

It's still green and soft.  Better than a full concrete path.


Sorry, should have quoted - I was referring to a PP wishing they could astro turf their entire front yard...

#11 lamarque

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:09 AM

QUOTE (newphase @ 28/02/2013, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The council  said it is because it is a possible tripping hazard!

Of course it is a tripping hazard!  My in-laws have some out the back and it's forever moving and getting scrunched by people walking on it.   It's not his property so he should remove it.  

LOL at his neighbour's grass coming up to his crotch though.  That was funny.

ETA - I disagree grass is a tripping hazard.  Tree roots under grass and footpaths - yes.  It is the responsibility of council to fix paths etc once they are aware of the issue.  Not sure how it works in VIC but in NSW at least once councils are aware of a possible tripping hazard, they must act.  If they're not aware and you trip, it's your fault.

Edited by lamarque, 28 February 2013 - 09:16 AM.


#12 Phascogale

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:11 AM

There's an estate where I used to live where the developers had put in fake grass on the nature strips of all the houses that were display homes in that street.  It stayed there when the houses were sold.  So an entire street, not just one house!

I have to admit that a few years down the track, that it doesn't look fabulous.  The colour and texture probably weren't that great a choice in the beginning but there are a lot of weeds growing up on top where small amounts of dirt have accumulated and often at the edges.  So you do have to do some level of maintenance.  These homes are now 5/6 years old.

It can look good.  My old family day carers front garden had a small amount that looked great.  It was small and difficult to get a lawnmower to so this was their solution.

Actually my PIL are putting some in at their new place for maintenance reasons as they are getting older and don't want to be mowing their lawns all the time.

#13 BadCat

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:15 AM

QUOTE (haras1972 @ 28/02/2013, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think having an astro turf front lawn would be the go - I've read about how much heat they generate and retain on hot days, so I assume they would actually help to heat up surrounding buildings.

I don't know why the council went with the safety angle, I would think they would have more traction with environmental concerns. Nature strips play in role in filtering run off, water tables etc, and also, having lived in Darebin, that part of Melbourne suffers from a lack of urban nature. There are lots of streets without any trees/nature strips etc.

Plus the precedent - I wouldn't want to live in a street full of fake nature strips - there are plenty of councils across Australia that have banned astro turf for nature strips, so the problem might be that Darebin weren't pro-active about this, and banned before residents started putting it in.


I agree with this.

I hate that people are replacing nature with artificial nature.  It doesn't sit well with me at all.

Plus, fake turf is ugly.

#14 Puggle

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:20 AM

Maybe Darebin Council should talk to Penrith City Council in NSW - they've installed astroturf on the nature strip on Mulgoa Road under the M4 motorway bridge.

It's interesting to see how different councils approach these issues. I can see how people/council would object to astroturf on a suburban nature strip.

Edited by Puggle, 28 February 2013 - 09:24 AM.


#15 katpaws

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:34 AM

Quite a few houses in Brighton (Vic) have fake turf on the nature strips.

LOL about the tripping issue. The nature strip outside our house developed a metre deep (at least)  40cm wide hole which was extremely dangerous and the local council refused to fix it. They told us it was our nature strip and up to us to fix it. They tried to say legislation proved that the nature strip was ours to maintain, but somehow could not show where this was written and even quoting their webpage where they said they were responsible for nature strip maintanence got nowhere. Our local councillor eventually got them to fix it.



#16 RedBob

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:38 AM

They're covering their arses in case someone takes action against council for tripping over astroturf and injuring themselves. Plus I guess they'd be worried about the precedent and issues of stormwater if larger sections of the area got covered.

#17 YodaTheWrinkledOne

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE (WingBob @ 28/02/2013, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're covering their arses in case someone takes action against council for tripping over astroturf and injuring themselves. Plus I guess they'd be worried about the precedent and issues of stormwater if larger sections of the area got covered.

true.  The same as if someone tripped over regular grass on the verge and hurt themself.  This way the council can say "We didn't do it, it's not our problem."

That can't do that with footpaths, gutters, etc - they install them, their responsibility to maintain them.

#18 lamarque

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE (katpaws @ 28/02/2013, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Quite a few houses in Brighton (Vic) have fake turf on the nature strips.

LOL about the tripping issue. The nature strip outside our house developed a metre deep (at least)  40cm wide hole which was extremely dangerous and the local council refused to fix it. They told us it was our nature strip and up to us to fix it. They tried to say legislation proved that the nature strip was ours to maintain, but somehow could not show where this was written and even quoting their webpage where they said they were responsible for nature strip maintanence got nowhere. Our local councillor eventually got them to fix it.

Wow!  Glad some common sense prevailed there.  

QUOTE (WingBob @ 28/02/2013, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're covering their arses in case someone takes action against council for tripping over astroturf and injuring themselves. Plus I guess they'd be worried about the precedent and issues of stormwater if larger sections of the area got covered.

Exactly.  If someone trips and sues the council, they will issue a cross claim against the owner.  


#19 maxshim

Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:49 AM

From a purely aesthetic point of view I would rather live near houses that had a nice, neat fake grass nature strip than ones that had completely overgrown natural ones.  A house down the road from us was sold not that long ago and the people who bought it started some major renovations and now seem to have disappeared completely.  The entire house is now a hovel with all lawns, including the nature strip completely overgrown.  A neighbor rang the council to prompt them to do something about it and they replied with "We'll send a letter to them telling them to mow it".  Well, that would be great if anyone actually lived there!!  It's a disaster and far more of a safety issue than the "tripping hazard" of turf I think.  

Anyway - clearly that's my personal opinion and not everyone would agree.

#20 sne

Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:02 AM

There's a house in a street near ours where the occupants have dug out the nature strip and replaced it with a brown coloured gravel shaped/sized stone.  We're not in Darebin but the next council over from it.

#21 JRA

Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:14 AM

QUOTE (lamarque @ 28/02/2013, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course it is a tripping hazard!  My in-laws have some out the back and it's forever moving and getting scrunched by people walking on it.   It's not his property so he should remove it.  

LOL at his neighbour's grass coming up to his crotch though.  That was funny.

ETA - I disagree grass is a tripping hazard.  Tree roots under grass and footpaths - yes.  It is the responsibility of council to fix paths etc once they are aware of the issue.  Not sure how it works in VIC but in NSW at least once councils are aware of a possible tripping hazard, they must act.  If they're not aware and you trip, it's your fault.


We have fake grass, not on the nature strip. I am not sure what your parents have done wrong, but I have no idea how it is a tripping hazard. All the schools that have created sporting fields with this would also have a problem, our $750K new hockey field would also have a problem.  Your parents have obviously done it very wrong.

Sure grass it not a tripping hazard, if it is maintained, there are no tree roots etc etc. But how often does that happen.



#22 witchesforest

Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:23 AM

he he, that's just round the corner from our place. every time we walk past it my DD talks about the 'fake grass' at the top of her voice. she is fascinated by it.

#23 laridae

Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:26 AM

QUOTE (JRA @ 28/02/2013, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
this is a really difficult one, sure he doesn't own the land, but it is his responsibility to keep it maintained.



Is it?  Our council mows the nature strips...  some people do as well, but most of them don't.

#24 FeralMinx

Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:29 AM

I remember a few years ago when I lived near kalgoorlie, the council actually put astroturf down themselves, on various median strips and so on.

#25 lucky 2

Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:39 AM

The council is not saying what I think they really want to say, ie instead of saying we don't want you to have fake grass because it is fake and not in keeping with the look of the neighbourhood, they make out it is a tripping hazard when you could easily trip on a "small garden" on the nature strip.
Doesn't anyone call a spade a spade anymore?




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Heartwarming prank gives single mum the house she was hired to clean

Cara Simmons arrived at work to clean a large and beautiful house in time for a party planned for that evening. It was soon hers.

Why we should stop telling new parents to 'enjoy every moment'

A few weeks ago, some dear friends of mine had their first baby. As the proud dad texted me a picture I had to fight the natural instinct to say “Enjoy every moment!”

Transgender dad breastfeeds his babies

A transgender man who breastfed his first baby - despite having his breasts removed as part of his transformation from female to male - has now had a second child.

Couple face $1 million medical bill and bankruptcy after babymoon birth

A Canadian couple were slammed with a million dollar medical bill after their daughter was prematurely during their babymoon.

Win one of 5 Little Tikes Cozy Coupe Sport

Australia?s No 1 selling car is now available in a Sports model and we have 5 to give away to some lucky Essential Baby families.

Cigarettes, junk food dominate supermarket sales growth

One in every five dollars spent at supermarkets goes on cigarettes or junk food, according to industry data.

Teacher under fire for breastfeeding in class

There is no doubt mums have a right to continue breastfeeding after they have returned to work, but one teacher in the US has taken it to the extreme.

Video: Baby sniffs beardless dad to make sure it's him

She looks him up and down and then touches his chin, but baby Lindsey still isn't sure this clean-shaven man is her dad.

The tragedy of losing a favourite teddy bear

We were green and uninitiated, perhaps a little naïve when it came to the favourite toy responsibility.

It's possible to workout while pregnant

Medical experts say intense fitness routines can be done safely during pregnancy - if the mums-to-be follow some guidelines.

Baby for Asher Keddie and Vincent Fantauzzo

Fans followed every step of her on-screen pregnancy in Offspring, now Asher Keddie is going to be a mum in real life too.

What parents really want for their kids

Are our hopes, dreams and expectations for our children what they really need?

'I had a feeling something was seriously wrong': the fight for Kaden's diagnosis

Before even giving birth, Katie Myers' maternal instincts warned her something was wrong with her baby.

When your pregnancy causes a relationship rift

Some dads-to-be don't miss a beat when their partner is pregnant; others struggle with a range of issues and can become withdrawn, right when their support is needed most.

Couple uses group photo trick to announce pregnancy to loved ones

Katharine and Kris Camilli devised a clever trick to immortalise their family and friends' reaction to their exciting pregnancy news.

Why Tracey Spicer has given up make-up

"After 30 years on television, I had become what I despised: a painted doll who spent an hour a day and close to $200 a week putting on a mask."

Empowering bikini photo of 46-year-old mum goes viral

When a group of teenagers made rude remarks about her body as she walked past them in a bikini at the local beach, Julie Cross refused to cover up.

Devastated widow discovers she's pregnant the day before husband's funeral

They had been trying to conceive a baby for seven years. Tragically Kristy Kirchner found out she was pregnant the day before her husband Royce's funeral.

Win a family pass to Disney Live!

We have 4 family passes to give away to see Disney Live! presents Three Classic Fairy Tales, touring Australia this December/January.

Gabriella Goat sues Peppa Pig

Every toddler's favourite television pig is being sued by an Italian woman who shares a name with a Peppa Pig character.

Meet the Mpregs, the male pregnancy enthusiasts

"Men can't have babies - that's something only women can do! But our community is full of like-minded people who wish otherwise."

Your new motherhood survival kit

Forget about the bright, pretty baby things - while you're in survival mode, all you'll need are the essentials.

More than 100,000 cars recalled globally after death of pregnant woman

The announcement of a mass recall comes as Malaysian police investigate the death of pregnant woman in July.

I had a 'good baby' but still suffered from postnatal depression

I had a much wanted precious baby girl, a 'good baby' who slept well, self settled and was mostly content. It just seemed implausible to think I could succumb to depression.

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Win one of 5 Little Tikes Cozy Coupe Sport

Australia?s No 1 selling car is now available in a Sports model and we have 5 to give away to some lucky Essential Baby families.

Join PADDINGTON on the red carpet!

To celebrate the release of PADDINGTON, we are giving five lucky winners the chance to win a family pass to the exclusive Australian Premiere in Sydney on December 7!

Knowing you are one of the lucky ones

I am secure, confident and strong, but the responsibility of protecting my children can almost bring me undone.

Why I am so emotional now I have kids?

There are so many ways in which parenthood changes us as women, but one of the most noticeable, for me, has been the changing state of my emotions.

Baby survives despite sharing womb with 'foreign body'

Baby Maia was conceived against the odds, only to find she was sharing a womb with an ominous "foreign body".

Video: Baby shows dog how to jump - or vice versa

They say dog is man's best friend, but this playful pooch seems to have chosen a jumping baby as her number one buddy.

10 ways to soothe a crying baby

New paernts can get frustrated when their newborn gets fussy and can't settle down. When you're feeling overwhelmed, try some of these simple tips to help soothe your baby.

20 baby names that are becoming more popular every year

The data-lovers at nameberry.com have been at it again – this time, they’ve discovered the names that are continually rising up the ranks, ready to take out some top spots in the next few years.

10 great meals to make for new parents

Ideally, you want to give food that isn’t expensive to make, isn't too difficult to create, and freezes well; stews, bakes, soups and pasta sauces are perfect.

'It's not you, it's me': Boston bombing survivor mum to have leg amputated

Rebekah DiMartino is going through a break-up. She even wrote a farewell love letter. But it's not to her husband.

What it's like to go through early menopause

In a cruel twist, Carla had been breastfeeding and perimenopausal at the same time. But she's far from the only one to go through menopause early.

Restaurant served alcohol to two-year-old

Busy restaurants can be forgiven for getting food and drink orders mixed up from time to time, but not when the confusion leads to a two-year-old being served an alcoholic cocktail instead of the child-friendly beverage they ordered.

Julia Morris tells of miscarriage on a flight

Julia Morris has spoken about the devastation of suffering a miscarriage while on an international flight.

Woman's survival after birth 'a story of two miracles'

A US mother is home and tending to her new baby less than a month after surviving without a pulse for 45 minutes.

Eating ice may give mental boost to the iron deficient: study

A new study proposes that, like a strong cup of coffee, ice may give those with insufficient iron a much-needed mental boost.

Tiny lives in caring hands: Thank U NICU Day

Each year in Australia, over 40,000 newborns need the help of a special care nursery or neonatal intensive care unit. One day a year, the staff are honoured by the parents they help through those dark days.

I paid $50,000 to have a girl

This time my husband and I hadn't taken any chances. We had paid $50,000 and travelled 13,000 kilometres to make sure the baby growing inside me was female.

Weird pregnancy products

Some pregnancy products come to market and are just awesome. Others just leave you scratching your head.

Dear firstborn, I'm sorry

Being a first-time mum is tough for so many reasons – particularly because you really have no idea what you're doing.

A trace of sesame could kill my son

Helen Richardson son's had two anaphylactic reactions in a month. It's traumatic for everyone.

When you know before the test says yes

It wasn't a pregnancy test or missed period that told me I was pregnant with my second baby; it was too early for those things. A doner kebab told me I was going to be a mum again.

What not to do when your partner is in labour

Robbie Williams stole the show during his wife Ayda's labour, pretty much demonstrating everything on the "what not to do when your partner is in labour" list.

Best maternity swimwear and beach cover-ups

Thinking about a tropical babymoon but have nothing to wear? Here are some great swimwear and beach cover-up options for mums-to-be.

Dad breastfeeds his babies

Trevor Macdonald has now been pregnant twice, and is successfully breastfeeding his newest family member.

 

How many weeks til Christmas?

On your To-Do list

Get the "Santa" shopping done without the kids in tow.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.