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Teachers & Mums - is this the norm?


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#1 MyButterflyGirls

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

DD has started FYOS this year and we're only a few weeks in so I just wanted to get some opinions on this as my DH and I are quite uncomfortable about it.

On the board in DD's classroom are three stickers - one with one sad face, one with two sad faces and one with three sad faces. When kids misbehave, their names are written on the board under one sad face, then two and three sad faces if they misbehave again.

Is this common in classrooms? I completely agree that teachers need tools to help manage kids' behaviour but I feel that publicly shaming children in front of their peers in this way is quite disturbing.

Any teachers or other Mums have any views on this?

#2 fairymagic

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:12 PM

Happened to all three of my kids in at least junior primary. My youngest is in Grade 2 - they have a step system in class so their name goes up against the step. They start afresh each day though so no punishment is carried over to the next day.

#3 Ianthe

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

This has been a pretty common technique for all of my kids in the younger grades and my eldest is in Year 11. I think it is a good visual reminder for kids and gives them chances to change behaviour.

Can I ask what system you think may work better?

#4 roses99

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

I tend to think it works. A child can see where they are and has the chance to self-correct behaviour.

Bear in mind that in FYOS, most kids can't read each other's names. But they can read their own.

Edited by roses99, 27 February 2013 - 09:17 PM.


#5 Chazee

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

In my DD's year 2 class last year they had a chart with all of the children's names. They could either earn 'happy faces' or 'sad faces' and they were placed alongside the names (sad going to the left, happy going to the right) as required.

I never thought anything of it, however it's not exactly displayed up on a board. I don't think it's publicy shaming. No matter how the child is warned/disciplined the rest of the class is going to know about it.

#6 Black Velvet

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

Same system at my kids school.

#7 Dionysus

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

As a teacher, I have done it in the past - in high school

First time they talk out of turn - warning
second time - name on board for being kept in
third time - time-out or whatever other withdrawal strategy the school has.

served as a reminder to the kid (and me!) where they were up to in the behaviour management process.





#8 FeralHez

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

Name on the board was done when I was at primary. I think the teacher might sometimes have added crosses (there were no frowns face stickers but same idea).
Old school but inoffensive (to me), but I am used to it I guess?
Verbal warnings in front of the other students are just as public I would think. Something the others can see can be a greater deterrent.

#9 MyButterflyGirls

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

Wow. Seems like the norm then.

My DD is no stranger to having misbehaviour corrected  wink.gif  however she must just be super-sensitive on this one as she's really upset about the name-on-the-board thing. It hasn't been effective in changing her behaviour yet though. I hope for both her and the teacher's sake that it does end up working positively.

#10 niggles

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

What that says to me is that from the first day of the first year of school the teacher is expecting these kids to misbehave enough for them to need this system. And that this expectation is being communicated clearly to the students in a language they can easily understand and that everyone can see. I wouldn't like my child to be continually reminded that her teacher expects her to make the wrong choices. That would be my knee jerk reaction anyway from what you've described.

My daughter's school uses 123 Magic in all classes. The teacher can keep track herself of whether a student is on a 1 2 or a 3 and if they reach 3 they have some time out sitting on the steps that lead between two classrooms. This is explained to the students but it's not up on the wall for all to see. The 1, 2 and 3 is their reminder to make a positive choice and a reminder is usually all it takes.



#11 DEVOCEAN

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

I think it is a good thing, and is not shaming them as you put it.
The other kids see or hear them misbehaving in class anyway, so you are not telling them anything they don't already know.
One DD has had her name up once on the 1 smiley face.
Another DD quite frequently hit the 3rd one at least once a week. She is as my father would have called her, his 'little miss chatterbox'.

#12 Niamh23

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:23 PM

Disturbing? Really?? Teachers really can't do anything these days without some parent squawking about how it's going to psychologically damage their child!

Edited by Niamh23, 27 February 2013 - 09:25 PM.


#13 aprilrain

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:23 PM

Unfortunately, your DD and the rest of the class will know exactly which childrens names will appear there often. Humiliating? If other parents see their childs name on there?

Classrooms where my children have learnt best are ones where teachers are very strict about behaviour.

My youngest tells me in her FYOS room they all have a peg that is moved daily, 1st level - good, 2nd level - bad behaviour and 3rd level after that.



#14 MyButterflyGirls

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:24 PM

QUOTE (niggles @ 27/02/2013, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What that says to me is that from the first day of the first year of school the teacher is expecting these kids to misbehave enough for them to need this system. And that this expectation is being communicated clearly to the students in a language they can easily understand and that everyone can see. I wouldn't like my child to be continually reminded that her teacher expects her to make the wrong choices. That would be my knee jerk reaction anyway from what you've described.

My daughter's school uses 123 Magic in all classes. The teacher can keep track herself of whether a student is on a 1 2 or a 3 and if they reach 3 they have some time out sitting on the steps that lead between two classrooms. This is explained to the students but it's not up on the wall for all to see. The 1, 2 and 3 is their reminder to make a positive choice and a reminder is usually all it takes.

We use this at home. I can't remember the last time I got to 3.

#15 Expelliarmus

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:26 PM

I have to disagree with you all - ETA: up to post #8 Tounge1.gif (I typed too slow!!!)

I think it's public shaming and humiliating and that behaviour management does not need to be done in such a public fashion.

Putting children on formal warnings or steps etc can be done privately and if indeed the other children do know, having it written down for the teacher only is significantly more appropriate than having a reminder of it up there for all to see.

I don't like the technique, I don't use the technique and if I had my way it wouldn't exist.

When stepping students I give quite warnings, privately where possible, using minimal interaction and record it for teacher eyes only.

Edited by howdo, 27 February 2013 - 09:27 PM.


#16 Expelliarmus

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:30 PM

QUOTE (Niamh23 @ 27/02/2013, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Disturbing? Really?? Teachers really can't do anything these days without some parent squawking about how it's going to psychologically damage their child!

It is disturbing that some teachers are still using public shaming for behaviour management purposes.

Edited by howdo, 27 February 2013 - 09:30 PM.


#17 FuzzyMum

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:30 PM

I agree with you Howdo. The warning technique may work for some but personally I've had much more success with positive behavioural techniques. Although I work with students where extreme anxiety is a common factor along with a whole range of issues.

#18 MyButterflyGirls

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

QUOTE (Niamh23 @ 27/02/2013, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Disturbing? Really?? Teachers really can't do anything these days without some parent squawking about how it's going to psychologically damage their child!

I have no problems at all with leaving teachers to do their thing - they are the experts and I respect that. My question arose because of how badly effected DD has been already by this method of discipline. It's a shame that she has such negative associations with school so early on.

QUOTE (howdo @ 27/02/2013, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have to disagree with you all - ETA: up to post #8 Tounge1.gif (I typed too slow!!!)

I think it's public shaming and humiliating and that behaviour management does not need to be done in such a public fashion.

Putting children on formal warnings or steps etc can be done privately and if indeed the other children do know, having it written down for the teacher only is significantly more appropriate than having a reminder of it up there for all to see.

I don't like the technique, I don't use the technique and if I had my way it wouldn't exist.

When stepping students I give quite warnings, privately where possible, using minimal interaction and record it for teacher eyes only.

Thanks howdo for explaining my views better than I could. original.gif

#19 Expelliarmus

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:36 PM

QUOTE (Ianthe @ 27/02/2013, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can I ask what system you think may work better?

If steps are being used, recording privately.

Praising those who are doing the right thing and using positive peer pressure - the children doing the wrong thing frequently stop and change their behaviours.

Tactical Ignoring.

Proximity.

Non Verbal responses.

In short, preventing the undesired behaviours rather than waiting for inappropriate actions and punishing children for them.

When undesirable behaviours occur then targeting the specific behaviour and developing a framework for it. eg. Call out cards, Cool Down cards.

#20 harryboy

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:38 PM

Well my DS was in the dark ages last year. Not only  did we have names on boards, there were the "bad desks" as well where the "bad people" sat.

#21 FeralRebelWClaws

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:39 PM

I use it in high schools... a list of names of students who will be kept in at recess or lunch etc. Often when many students are misbehaving the students that aren't want confirmation that they won't be punished along with the rest of the class (as can happen when teachers make entire classes stay in.) I think I'm overly sensitive about that because I was always the good kid that got punished because of others and it peeved me.

In my case, it's also because the students names might be up for talking so by seeing their name on the board they then zip it. I always given my students the opportunity to work it off. I find it incredibly effective in high school age kids, it's a reminder to them and allows them to self correct.

#22 Expelliarmus

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:39 PM

QUOTE (MyButterflyGirls @ 27/02/2013, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have no problems at all with leaving teachers to do their thing - they are the experts and I respect that. My question arose because of how badly effected DD has been already by this method of discipline. It's a shame that she has such negative associations with school so early on.

It's my opinion that this particular 'thing' is not something teachers should be doing. I think you are right to question it.

i don't know how you'd address it with the teacher mind you ...

I'm not opposed to having 'sad steps' or 'happy steps' but I do not think recording 'sad steps' publically is a good thing.

And yes, FYOS children can read others' names.

#23 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:40 PM

I see 150 kids a day.  *I* need a visual reminder.  I don't have an easily accessed desk.

I use a traffic light system.  Everyone begins on the green light (obviously imagined with that volume of kids).  If I have to give several warnings about appropriate behaviour, they move to yellow, then red, then if they continue to display inappropriate behaviour they go to the yellow detention card that the school has in place.

I also reward with the green cards for showing positive behaviours (organisation, persistence, getting along).

I freely acknowledge that classes where I give lots of green cards run more smoothly, but there are classes where the green cards don't mean anything, so I work with what I have.

#24 mez70

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

At my kids school they have a wall of traffic lights....
Basically it a a chart with every child's name on and at the start of the day each child starts on Green,if during the day the day the get a warning their light gets changed to yellow, then Red, then Double Red which also means removal from classroom to buddy class and formal notification sent home to parent.

At any stage any one entering the room can see the chart etc but the process is clearly spelled out to all kids on day 1 of school and reenforced as they move through the school. The teacher also has the discretion to go from Yellow back to green, if they have seen a huge improvement etc or from green straight to Red/ Double red for things that endanger the student and or other students.. It is amazing though how accountable it makes them as they are focused on their own traffic light and not having it changed etc...At end of each day the lights get reset so they then start the following on green once more...


#25 liveworkplay

Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:59 PM

We have a similar thing. Every child's name is on a peg. If you have desirable behaviour, you get attached to the  "Happy Face" . If you have less desirable behavior, you get attached to the nest circle down (Sorry no idea what it is called as I have "rule followers" so they have never been on it laughing2.gif) One more undesirable behavior and you are on the third circle. One more and its off to the Principals Office.

People on the Happy Face get a sticker at the end of the day. It is only used in the Infant Classes. I have never heard of a child responding negatively on it. I have also never heard of a child getting below the first "less desirable" circle.

Edited by liveworkplay, 27 February 2013 - 10:02 PM.





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