Jump to content

Sherlock Holmes - would you diagnose ....
--total fluff--


  • Please log in to reply
18 replies to this topic

#1 désir d'amour

Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:34 PM

ADD or on the autism spectrum somewhere?


I've seen both theories posited online and although I don't have the knowledge either way, I must say that the evidence for ADD reminds strongly of myself.   (In No way am I suggesting that I'm brilliant in any comparable way)

So, if you had to diagnose on the evidence, what would you say?

(Re-stating -  THIS IS TOTAL FLUFF)

#2 JustBeige

Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:15 AM

Which Holmes are you talking about? biggrin.gif

The RDJ one is very very different to the JLM one wiith BC somewhere in between (I think).   The RDJ is just smart and arrogant (I still love him though). The JLM one does have quirks but he also has an addictive personality, so some of his quirks or repetitions could be do to with that or OCD more than AS.   I think the BC one also has quirks but not necessarily OCD, more social awkwardness tainted by arrogance because he observes so much.     None of them are totally literal and detect nuances in life.

Unlike 'Sheldon' who is socially awkward and arrogant and couldnt detect a social  nuance if it smacked him in the face.  Jim Parsons once said that he plays him with Aspie traits as he felt thats how his mind worked.  



#3 désir d'amour

Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:14 AM

Most of the theories I've seen are based on the book version, which is why I have no opinion, as I've really only seen the Downey movies and the Cumberbatch series.  I refuse to watch Elementary on principle Tounge1.gif

Given the one book I have read some time ago, I would say the BC verse is the closer of the two.

#4 Futureself

Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE (Soprano-Cat @ 25/02/2013, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I refuse to watch Elementary on principle Tounge1.gif

I get around my horror of the 'adjustments' they have made to the Sherlock universe in Elementary by simply refusing to acknowledge that Joan is Watson and that this is supposed to be Sherlock Holmes and merely view the show as a clever crime drama  happy.gif I'm quite enjoying it and think JLM portrays an interesting character...
I agree that BC does a Sherlock closest to what is portrayed in the books and he's definitely 'quirky'. I think perhaps Sherlock is on the spectrum

#5 madmother

Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:13 PM

Can someone translate the shorthand for a sleep deprived mumma?

Who is BC? Or what?


#6 madmother

Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

Oh, and JLM and RDJ distract me from such theories with their HOTNESS!

#7 Punkysferaldilemma

Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

BC stands for Benedict Cumberbatch - Sherlock Holems in the BBC's Sherlock

Having only read some of the books and only watching Sherlock I think that the character is definitely open to interpretation. Personally I think the Sherlock's quirkiness is due mainly just to character flaws rather than ASD or ADD, especially when you take into account the time in which it was written and therefore the author's intent when creating the character, and that Conan Doyle's had no knowledge of either ADD or ASD. I have always read Sherlock as someone who has very little social awareness and is very arrogant simply because he is so caught up in the problems that he solves and his addictions. However, I think BC does portray him as possibly having quirks that are due to something more.

As opposed to Tony Hill in Wire in the Blood, which I think there is a stronger case for ASD or ADD due to the contemporary setting of the original books.

#8 JustBeige

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

QUOTE (blue.bird @ 25/02/2013, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BC stands for Benedict Cumberbatch - Sherlock Holems in the BBC's Sherlock

Oh MM, you HAVE to have a look at this one if you love the other two.

QUOTE (blue.bird @ 25/02/2013, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have always read Sherlock as someone who has very little social awareness and is very arrogant simply because he is so caught up in the problems that he solves and his addictions. However, I think BC does portray him as possibly having quirks that are due to something more.

I agree. Very much to the book.

QUOTE (blue.bird @ 25/02/2013, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As opposed to Tony Hill in Wire in the Blood, which I think there is a stronger case for ASD or ADD due to the contemporary setting of the original books.
Oh yes, his poor character. what a mess he was in the end


QUOTE (Ferdinand @ 25/02/2013, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't read the books and have only seen the BC version, I don't think he has either ASD or ADD. He's just a sociopath.
  Why do you say that? as opposed to just socially awkward and NPD or arrogant

#9 JustBeige

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE (~*Twilight~Zone*~ @ 25/02/2013, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The BBC has a Sherlock showing as well?  Is this free to air TV or paid TV?

Dont know about the BBC, but the BC Sherlock was free to air here.  Another series has been commissioned for this year, so I cant wait and I hope we get to see it this year and not in 3years time!

#10 ednaboo

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

OP, I don't know because I didn't watch Sherlock.  I just wanted to say Jonny Lee Miller is wonderful!

#11 kadoodle

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

Ignoring the film and television remakes, I was under the impression that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle intended Holmes to be a brilliant psychopath and Dr Watson as his damaged moderating influence.  Oh the slash you could write....

#12 FeralZombieMum

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

Personally I think there are plenty of English characters (IRL and in fiction) that have Aspie traits. wink.gif

I often wonder if Shakespeare could have had it as well.

#13 JaneLane

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:23 PM

There is definately 'something' about holmes that it hard to pin point .  I love both RDJ and JLM.  Never seen BC, is that the one with a quite young looking Holmes I remember seeing ads for years ago?

I love JLM in whatever he does, great actor.  I must find my trainspotting DVD and watch it after the kids go to bed!

#14 désir d'amour

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:31 PM

I wouldn't have thought a sociopath/psychopath would have been able to be moderated by an outside influence?

Stop Calling Sherlock a Sociopath! Thanks, a Psychologist.


I think points in favour of ASD were:  fixation on a topic of interest, lack of social awareness, pattern-findings

Points in favour of ADD - hyperfocus and excitement when case arrives, almost immediate lapse into boredom when not working, fidgetiness, weird experiments to occupy brain.

#15 kadoodle

Posted 25 February 2013 - 06:34 PM

Very interesting, thanks, SC.

#16 PatG

Posted 25 February 2013 - 06:44 PM

QUOTE (blue.bird @ 25/02/2013, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BC stands for Benedict Cumberbatch - Sherlock Holems in the BBC's Sherlock

Having only read some of the books and only watching Sherlock I think that the character is definitely open to interpretation. Personally I think the Sherlock's quirkiness is due mainly just to character flaws rather than ASD or ADD, especially when you take into account the time in which it was written and therefore the author's intent when creating the character, and that Conan Doyle's had no knowledge of either ADD or ASD.



Why does Doyle's lack of "knowledge" of ADD or ASD preclude him from writing a character with ASD or ADD traits - just because he didn't have current terminology to label people doesn't mean he didn't know people who would, in the current world, potentially be diagnosed with something specific.

#17 JustBeige

Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:04 AM



V
QUOTE (Ferdinand @ 25/02/2013, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was right there in the script - in the first episode. It was written as an off the cuff comment, but it is totally Moffat's style to have the answer right there in plain sight.

eta: I hadn't previously seen ^ that article.

Oh OK, I didnt know that. Thank you original.gif

Very interesting article too.

#18 DreamFeralisations

Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:02 AM

QUOTE (ZombieMum @ 25/02/2013, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally I think there are plenty of English characters (IRL and in fiction) that have Aspie traits. wink.gif

I often wonder if Shakespeare could have had it as well.


I have a friend who believes that all of the English are on the spectrum somewhere - she has an ex and a doctorate in psychology to go with that hypothesis.

I accidentally caught Elementary this week and haven't had the joy of watching much else in the last decade Sherlock related, but often fictional main detectives traits are exaggerated to highlight their detecting.  The fact that this accidentally identifies traits similar to ASD, NPD etc.

Its funny that we can accept it in a male detective - Miss Marple, however, will always  be a nosy busybody with too much time on her hands and too many dead bodies launching themselves at her holiday destinations.

#19 leisamd

Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:13 AM

Ha, I'm halfway through the book right now.  My favourite is the  BBC Holmes.

I honestly don't think he'd be on the spectrum or anything else.  I think he is highly intelligent.  He gets along well with Watson and is very charming to most people - even one's he's just met.  He understands and intuitively grasps other people's emotions and motivations.  I nearly said he was introverted but I don't think so actually, in some cases he is quite outgoing.  I guess still introverted (keeps to himself, only 1 or 2 close friends) but not shy or even awkward.  Just chooses the company of his own thoughts.

Also, a drug user.  I wouldn't even say NPD or Psychopath, there are instances where he feels real empathy for his clients...

I think these sorts of traits are greatly exaggerated on the screen.  In the book Watson doesn't seem annoyed with him at all.

Edited by leisamd, 26 February 2013 - 07:14 AM.





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Win $1000 with Sea-Bands!

Three lucky fans can win a Sea-Band prize pack valued at over $1000 each, which includes two Sea-Bands plus a $1000 Eftpos gift card!

Misery loves Facebook

Facebook users are often criticised for only showing the positive, fun parts of their lives. But what about when it swings the other way, when someone uses it for the purposes of ranting about their children all the time, never posting anything positive?

Toddler's adorable impersonation of pregnant mum

Little Ellis has noticed his mum is walking differently lately, and his impersonation of her is hilarious.

'Forgotten baby syndrome' can happen to any one of us

When my third child was two months old, I strapped her into her car seat, then promptly forgot all about her. But she survived, unharmed, because it was winter, and I was lucky.

Join the Real Mums Test Drive Team

Five mums or mums-to-be will join the EB Test Drive Team and discover great items at an exclusive Big W event. (Sydney only.)

Ten things I've learned about motherhood

Never take a good night's sleep for granted. There is no logic like toddler logic. Standing on Lego hurts every time. These are the truths of parenthood.

Parenting past the toddler years: what's next?

Your baby has grown into a toddler, and now your toddler is fast approaching the preschooler stage. What can you expect as a parent?

Tips on what to pack in your hospital bag

Before giving birth I read countless lists, ended up overpacking just a little, and now know what I'll actually want to pack next time.

New app keeps tabs on your kids at childcare

Popular new technology lets parents know what their children are up to at childcare - but not everyone is a fan.

21 things I love about newborns

There?s an irresistible magic about newborns. Of course they're not all smiles and rainbows, but they are undeniably cute and remarkable in so, so many ways.

Kid-friendly hairdressers: who says haircuts can?t be fun?

I?ve found some salons who boast setups ideal for children ? you name it, they?ve thought of it. All are designed to make haircuts fun rather than stressful.

Labour pain relief may reduce risk of postnatal depression: study

Postnatal depression is a complex condition, but researchers say pain relief during labour may help some women.

Why we need better support for men after miscarriage

In a recent study, 85 per cent of men admitted feeling sadness after their partner miscarried, but almost half said they didn't share their feelings at all. What can be done to help them?

Mum in business: Kristy Chong

Kristy Chong is the managing director of Australian-made Modibodi underwear and a mum to Lucas, 6, Jason, 4, and Isaac, 6 months. She shares her advice for other mums thinking about starting their own businesses.

From toddler to preschooler: a developmental roadmap

So your toddler is growing up and will soon be entering the preschooler years. Here are a few ways to frame their development that will help you understand what?s going in those beautiful, funny, clever little heads of theirs.

Mum sacrifices an eye for her unborn baby

Motherhood is full of sacrifices, but this woman has made a life-altering one - and her baby hasn't even been born.

A grandparent by any other name

A growing number of grandparents are shunning tradition and going against conventional names - but a grandparent by any other name still gives the same awesome cuddles and kisses.

Photographer captures the beauty of adoption

The love of a family is usually tough to capture on camera. This is an exception.

When labour just doesn't happen

After three healthy kids, I can?t help feeling I?ve been a little ripped off. I missed out on something I had always wanted to experience, and now I?ll never get the chance.

Be careful what you say, your baby is listening

The importance of speaking to your baby even if they are not old enough to answer back has been highlighted by new research.

Share the little things that make you smile

We're giving away a Mountain Buggy nano, the ultimate travel stroller - and here are some of the great entries so far.

Win a Mountain Buggy nano

We?re giving away the new Mountain Buggy Nano - the lightweight travel buggy! So show us the little things that make you smile for your chance to win.

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Win a Mountain Buggy nano

We?re giving away the new Mountain Buggy Nano - the lightweight travel buggy! So show us the little things that make you smile for your chance to win.

Be careful what you say, your baby is listening

The importance of speaking to your baby even if they are not old enough to answer back has been highlighted by new research.

Win $1000 with Sea-Bands!

Three lucky fans can win a Sea-Band prize pack valued at over $1000 each, which includes two Sea-Bands plus a $1000 Eftpos gift card!

The beautiful moment a baby was born at the side of a road

It's not where she expected to give birth, but mum Corrine Cinatl is delighted that her daughter's roadside arrival was captured in a series of beautiful photos.

Doctor sings first Happy Birthday to newborns

His job is to deliver babies, but this US obstetrician also has a unique way of celebrating the miracle of life.

Join the Real Mums Test Drive Team

Five mums or mums-to-be will join the EB Test Drive Team and discover great items at an exclusive Big W event. (Sydney only.)

The Nappy Collective starts new drive

It's that time of year when the dedicated volunteers at The Nappy Collective do their bit to help out mums and children in need - and they need your help.

Baby shower cake wrecks

From misshapen cake babies to questionable text, from odd colour choices to internal organ recreation, these are the baby shower cakes that taste forgot.

Photographer captures the beauty of adoption

The love of a family is usually tough to capture on camera. This is an exception.

Pregnancy progression photo ideas

Want to record your pregnancy as your belly grows? Here are some creative, fun ideas for photo shoots along the way.

The myths and facts about "normal" breastfeeding

When it comes to successful breastfeeding, there is a wide variety to what is "normal", according to new research.

Tin can craft and DIY ideas

Got a few old formula, Milo or coffee cans around the house? Use these fantastic upcycling ideas to create items for around the house and yard.

Dads meet their newborn for the first time

Emotional photos of two fathers meeting their newborn son have resonated with viewers worldwide, attracting thousands of Facebook likes and shares.

Skin safety isn't just a summer worry

Lax about the slip slop slap with your kids as weather turns cooler? Here's a reminder as to why we have to remain vigilant for our children?s future health.

Personalised baby gifts

We've scoured the internet to find gorgeous personalised keepsakes and nursery decor to record baby name and dates. They make great gifts for christenings, name days and birthdays! (All prices in AU.)

Creative sleeping baby photoshoots

See how some parents and photographers have captured sleeping babies in unusual positions and using different props.

DIY kitchen and food hacks

DIY your way to a better kitchen and make cooking easier with our clever hacks. (Some content reproduced with permission from mashable.com.)

Winter warmers for babies and toddlers

Your baby or toddler will be nice and snug in these beautiful and fun winter pieces. Most are hand-made or knitted, and they're all designed to keep your little one toastie - and adorable!

 

Mind, body, beauty, life

Making time for me

We look at your wellbeing, covering health, relationships, beauty and fashion, mind and body.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.