Jump to content

Sherlock Holmes - would you diagnose ....
--total fluff--


  • Please log in to reply
18 replies to this topic

#1 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:34 PM

ADD or on the autism spectrum somewhere?


I've seen both theories posited online and although I don't have the knowledge either way, I must say that the evidence for ADD reminds strongly of myself.   (In No way am I suggesting that I'm brilliant in any comparable way)

So, if you had to diagnose on the evidence, what would you say?

(Re-stating -  THIS IS TOTAL FLUFF)

#2 JustBeige

Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:15 AM

Which Holmes are you talking about? biggrin.gif

The RDJ one is very very different to the JLM one wiith BC somewhere in between (I think).   The RDJ is just smart and arrogant (I still love him though). The JLM one does have quirks but he also has an addictive personality, so some of his quirks or repetitions could be do to with that or OCD more than AS.   I think the BC one also has quirks but not necessarily OCD, more social awkwardness tainted by arrogance because he observes so much.     None of them are totally literal and detect nuances in life.

Unlike 'Sheldon' who is socially awkward and arrogant and couldnt detect a social  nuance if it smacked him in the face.  Jim Parsons once said that he plays him with Aspie traits as he felt thats how his mind worked.  



#3 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:14 AM

Most of the theories I've seen are based on the book version, which is why I have no opinion, as I've really only seen the Downey movies and the Cumberbatch series.  I refuse to watch Elementary on principle Tounge1.gif

Given the one book I have read some time ago, I would say the BC verse is the closer of the two.

#4 Futureself

Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE (Soprano-Cat @ 25/02/2013, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I refuse to watch Elementary on principle Tounge1.gif

I get around my horror of the 'adjustments' they have made to the Sherlock universe in Elementary by simply refusing to acknowledge that Joan is Watson and that this is supposed to be Sherlock Holmes and merely view the show as a clever crime drama  happy.gif I'm quite enjoying it and think JLM portrays an interesting character...
I agree that BC does a Sherlock closest to what is portrayed in the books and he's definitely 'quirky'. I think perhaps Sherlock is on the spectrum

#5 madmother

Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:13 PM

Can someone translate the shorthand for a sleep deprived mumma?

Who is BC? Or what?


#6 madmother

Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

Oh, and JLM and RDJ distract me from such theories with their HOTNESS!

#7 Punky'sDilemma

Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

BC stands for Benedict Cumberbatch - Sherlock Holems in the BBC's Sherlock

Having only read some of the books and only watching Sherlock I think that the character is definitely open to interpretation. Personally I think the Sherlock's quirkiness is due mainly just to character flaws rather than ASD or ADD, especially when you take into account the time in which it was written and therefore the author's intent when creating the character, and that Conan Doyle's had no knowledge of either ADD or ASD. I have always read Sherlock as someone who has very little social awareness and is very arrogant simply because he is so caught up in the problems that he solves and his addictions. However, I think BC does portray him as possibly having quirks that are due to something more.

As opposed to Tony Hill in Wire in the Blood, which I think there is a stronger case for ASD or ADD due to the contemporary setting of the original books.

#8 JustBeige

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

QUOTE (blue.bird @ 25/02/2013, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BC stands for Benedict Cumberbatch - Sherlock Holems in the BBC's Sherlock

Oh MM, you HAVE to have a look at this one if you love the other two.

QUOTE (blue.bird @ 25/02/2013, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have always read Sherlock as someone who has very little social awareness and is very arrogant simply because he is so caught up in the problems that he solves and his addictions. However, I think BC does portray him as possibly having quirks that are due to something more.

I agree. Very much to the book.

QUOTE (blue.bird @ 25/02/2013, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As opposed to Tony Hill in Wire in the Blood, which I think there is a stronger case for ASD or ADD due to the contemporary setting of the original books.
Oh yes, his poor character. what a mess he was in the end


QUOTE (Ferdinand @ 25/02/2013, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't read the books and have only seen the BC version, I don't think he has either ASD or ADD. He's just a sociopath.
  Why do you say that? as opposed to just socially awkward and NPD or arrogant

#9 JustBeige

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE (~*Twilight~Zone*~ @ 25/02/2013, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The BBC has a Sherlock showing as well?  Is this free to air TV or paid TV?

Dont know about the BBC, but the BC Sherlock was free to air here.  Another series has been commissioned for this year, so I cant wait and I hope we get to see it this year and not in 3years time!

#10 ednaboo

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

OP, I don't know because I didn't watch Sherlock.  I just wanted to say Jonny Lee Miller is wonderful!

#11 kadoodle

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

Ignoring the film and television remakes, I was under the impression that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle intended Holmes to be a brilliant psychopath and Dr Watson as his damaged moderating influence.  Oh the slash you could write....

#12 FeralZombieMum

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

Personally I think there are plenty of English characters (IRL and in fiction) that have Aspie traits. wink.gif

I often wonder if Shakespeare could have had it as well.

#13 JaneLane

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:23 PM

There is definately 'something' about holmes that it hard to pin point .  I love both RDJ and JLM.  Never seen BC, is that the one with a quite young looking Holmes I remember seeing ads for years ago?

I love JLM in whatever he does, great actor.  I must find my trainspotting DVD and watch it after the kids go to bed!

#14 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:31 PM

I wouldn't have thought a sociopath/psychopath would have been able to be moderated by an outside influence?

Stop Calling Sherlock a Sociopath! Thanks, a Psychologist.


I think points in favour of ASD were:  fixation on a topic of interest, lack of social awareness, pattern-findings

Points in favour of ADD - hyperfocus and excitement when case arrives, almost immediate lapse into boredom when not working, fidgetiness, weird experiments to occupy brain.

#15 kadoodle

Posted 25 February 2013 - 06:34 PM

Very interesting, thanks, SC.

#16 PatG

Posted 25 February 2013 - 06:44 PM

QUOTE (blue.bird @ 25/02/2013, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BC stands for Benedict Cumberbatch - Sherlock Holems in the BBC's Sherlock

Having only read some of the books and only watching Sherlock I think that the character is definitely open to interpretation. Personally I think the Sherlock's quirkiness is due mainly just to character flaws rather than ASD or ADD, especially when you take into account the time in which it was written and therefore the author's intent when creating the character, and that Conan Doyle's had no knowledge of either ADD or ASD.



Why does Doyle's lack of "knowledge" of ADD or ASD preclude him from writing a character with ASD or ADD traits - just because he didn't have current terminology to label people doesn't mean he didn't know people who would, in the current world, potentially be diagnosed with something specific.

#17 JustBeige

Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:04 AM



V
QUOTE (Ferdinand @ 25/02/2013, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was right there in the script - in the first episode. It was written as an off the cuff comment, but it is totally Moffat's style to have the answer right there in plain sight.

eta: I hadn't previously seen ^ that article.

Oh OK, I didnt know that. Thank you original.gif

Very interesting article too.

#18 DreamFeralisations

Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:02 AM

QUOTE (ZombieMum @ 25/02/2013, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally I think there are plenty of English characters (IRL and in fiction) that have Aspie traits. wink.gif

I often wonder if Shakespeare could have had it as well.


I have a friend who believes that all of the English are on the spectrum somewhere - she has an ex and a doctorate in psychology to go with that hypothesis.

I accidentally caught Elementary this week and haven't had the joy of watching much else in the last decade Sherlock related, but often fictional main detectives traits are exaggerated to highlight their detecting.  The fact that this accidentally identifies traits similar to ASD, NPD etc.

Its funny that we can accept it in a male detective - Miss Marple, however, will always  be a nosy busybody with too much time on her hands and too many dead bodies launching themselves at her holiday destinations.

#19 leisamd

Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:13 AM

Ha, I'm halfway through the book right now.  My favourite is the  BBC Holmes.

I honestly don't think he'd be on the spectrum or anything else.  I think he is highly intelligent.  He gets along well with Watson and is very charming to most people - even one's he's just met.  He understands and intuitively grasps other people's emotions and motivations.  I nearly said he was introverted but I don't think so actually, in some cases he is quite outgoing.  I guess still introverted (keeps to himself, only 1 or 2 close friends) but not shy or even awkward.  Just chooses the company of his own thoughts.

Also, a drug user.  I wouldn't even say NPD or Psychopath, there are instances where he feels real empathy for his clients...

I think these sorts of traits are greatly exaggerated on the screen.  In the book Watson doesn't seem annoyed with him at all.

Edited by leisamd, 26 February 2013 - 07:14 AM.





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

A mum's tragic battle against inflammatory breast cancer

At just 37 years of age, with two young sons, Vicki was diagnosed with inflammatory breast cancer. Now her family wants all women to know the symptoms.

The business of babies around the world

Pregnancy and birth is an intriguing process no matter where you are in the world. One soon-to-be father gleans wisdom from a new guide.

Finding a positive path through IVF

It’s not surprising that IVF is often seen as a negative journey towards the ultimate positive, but having a glass-half-full approach can make a big difference to the experience.

Giving strangers the gift of parenthood

A mum explains why she and her husband are choosing to gift their leftover embryos to help strangers achieve their dream of parenthood.

Does morning sickness get better or worse with each child?

Just as every baby is unique, so is every pregnancy. And that means morning sickness can vary a lot, too.

What's so wrong with looking 'mumsy', anyway?

Why is it that the word ‘mumsy’ has connotations of such a negative nature – but seems to be the only other option apart from ‘yummy’?

Trying to speed up the inevitable

As the waiting game of late pregnancy continues, this mum considers a few things that might hurry things up a little.

One month later: where is William Tyrell?

It has been a little over a month since William Tyrell disappeared from his grandmother's home, 33 long sleepless nights for his family as they mourn the absence of their cheeky young boy.

Winter's child less likely to be moody: study

Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely to become irritable adults, scientists claim.

Single mum of two creates award-winning baby app

Suddenly single with a baby and an 11-year-old son, Tara O?Connell developed an app to improve the lives of mothers who were similarly overwhelmed.

Food for thought: looking after yourself as a new mum

As soon as your baby enters the world, everything else takes a back seat - even the necessities of daily life such as eating are severely compromised, right when you need energy the most.

'Grabbable guts' campaign aims to cut toxic fat

The Live Lighter campaign will take people inside the human body to show the internal dangers of being overweight.

The best and worst month of my life

A new mum's first month of motherhood didn't pan out as expected when she lost a family member weeks after her baby's birth.

Facebook and Apple offer to pay female staff to freeze their eggs

Facebook and Apple are hoping to provide women with the freedom to build their careers without the added pressure of having children at or by a certain age.

How a pregnancy contract could work for you and your partner

The idea of making a 'pregnancy contract' with your partner may sound a bit silly at first, but it can help make the transition to parenthood a lot smoother.

Finding a mum-friendly personal trainer

Burping babies vs burpees – yes, new mums and personal trainers live in different worlds. But they can work together - once you find the right match for you and your lifestyle.

Alleged baby snatch incident a ?misunderstanding?, say police

Police say that an incident in which a man pulled on a woman?s pram while walking a popular Sydney route late last month was a misunderstanding.

Ebola killed my aunt and is shutting down my country

Three weeks ago, my auntie, a midwife, developed a fever. Sitting here in Sydney basked in Australian sunshine, that shouldn't be big news.

The night my ovary burst

One mum shares her frightening experience and vows to never take her health for granted again.

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Win 1 of 5 Canon Powershot D30 cameras

Capture life more easily with the Canon Powershot D30. Shockproof, waterproof and dustproof, you can take it almost anywhere and shoot beautiful images, time after time. Enter now!

16 parenting truths you won't find in the baby books

I am five years into this parenting gig and I’ve learnt that sleepless nights and changing dirty nappies are child’s play.

Best and worst potty party cakes

It's nice to celebrate a child making the shift from nappies to 'big kid' undies, but do we really need a semi-realistic used toilet cake to do it? Here are some of the best and worst cakes parents have used at 'potty parties' around the world.

7 tips for a financially festive Christmas

Plan ahead - and do it now - to ensure festive season expenses don't break the bank.

'Go the F*** to Sleep' author's new book for frustrated parents

A sequel is coming soon to the 2011 hit book 'Go the F*** to Sleep' - and this time, it's about mealtimes.

Great birthday party buys from Etsy

Handmade crafts to decorate and personalise your child's next birthday - from banners to cake decorations, we've got gorgeous party finds from Etsy.

Creative storage ideas for the kids' rooms

Creative and practical storage ideas for the kids' toys and books can also add some stylish decor to your home. Visit babyology.com.au for more stylish modern finds for hip kids & parents.

New mum Megan goes topless

Megan Gale has posed topless for magazine's 'sexiest people' issue, five months after welcoming her son.

To the mum in the doctor's waiting room

Maybe the mum I saw in that waiting room, seemingly disconnected from her baby, doesn’t have the support she needs.

10 space-saving nursery ideas

Starting a family doesn't always mean moving into a bigger house - not yet, anyway.

 

What's in a name?

Baby Names

Looking for a classic name, or an unusual name? Our Baby Name Finder is for you, search or browse to refine your shortlist.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.