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#1 Wacky Wobbler

Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:35 PM

DS is 4 months on Sunday and for the last 3 weeks I have found he isn't satisfied with just formula. I no longer have any breast milk so he has had to go on formula. He has between 180 - 200mls a bottle but is always looking for more. He also is feeding every 2.5 hours. I try and hold of on it but he screams and makes his hungry noises. He is very interested when we eat and has started reaching out to our food. He can sit up supported and has good head control.

The midwives at the hospital suggested I try solids but I wouldn't know where to start.

Any tips?

#2 CallMeProtart

Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:42 PM

I would. Just to see if he takes to it.

Peel the skin of a banana down about an inch, and then cut off the peeled back bits. Hand it to him, see what he does.

Also, google baby led weaning. They say to start at 6 months, but DD could eat banana that way at 4 months.

#3 Tesseract

Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

I would give him more formula. Don't they say to formula feed on demand these days?

#4 Mudpie

Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

Solids will not have more calories than formula so wont fill a baby up any better especially considering the first foods are things like fruit and vegetables.

#5 Wacky Wobbler

Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:51 PM

I have been giving him more formula, he currently has 7 bottles a day. I've tried a little bit of cooled boiled water in case it is just thirst but it just doesn't satisfy him.

#6 Elijem

Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

Why not try it?  You can always go back to just formula if he doesn't take to it.

#7 Wacky Wobbler

Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:08 PM

Can you give too much formula? He has roughly 1.2 litres a day and I demand feed him. I have had one MCHN tell me that he can't possibly need that much an another tell me to jut go with the flow.

#8 chickenpants

Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:19 PM

I give my four month old a bit of pureed something or other each day, he has about a tablespoon or so.

I made a whole stack of frozen cubes of pureed fruits & vege, so I just pull one out and pop it in the microwave for a few seconds to warm. Or smoosh up a banana to give him.

I have also used those squeezy packs - Rafferty's Garden - for flavours I haven't made yet, like the pea, spinach & broccoli one.  He loved that, yay for peas!  Also the breakfast cereal one, I think it was brown rice, pear and banana.

He still has his regular amount of formula through the day though.

#9 mandala

Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:46 PM

If it were me, I would just give more formula. If he's really hungry, that would fill him up more than fruit/vege purees.  Considering that babies have approximately 1L of breast milk every day from 6 weeks to 6 months, 1.2L of formula doesn't seem ridiculous. Someone has to have a baby who drinks more than average!

DS was interested as you describe around 4 months, but was happy with finger tastes. He still had a strong tongue thrust reflex.

#10 Wacky Wobbler

Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:58 PM

I think I will just continue with the formula and up the amount as needed.

I have to admit I am a bit nervous about solids so I will wait for a little while.

#11 Paddlepop

Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

At that age my DD was having about 8 bottles per day, and each bottle was about 240mL. We just gave as much formula as she wanted.

Perhaps let your baby explore some soft finger foods, but don't count it towards your baby's energy intake for the day.

If I had my time over again I would be doing BLW and not spooning food into DD. BLW sounds so much easier and less time intensive. Messy, but easier.

#12 jantb78

Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:41 AM

Perhaps try more formula. Also, I'm sure you've probably looked into this already, but have you tried any alternative therapies to help with breast milk? There could still be s slight possibility to getting some breast milk going. Chinese medicine and Ayurvedic medicine have some good remedies. Going to solids to early is a bit difficult with there immature digestive system and is linked to obesity and allergies in later life.

#13 JoMarch

Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:50 AM

We waited until close to 6 months to start solids with DS & 1 month on hes still really not consuming much.  We're giving mostly finger foods (as this is all hes interested in) and trying a little bit of puree, but I don't think any of this is really filling his little tummy.  As others have mentioned, the foods that you begin with aren't very calorie dense so giving extra formula is probably a better way to satisfy his hunger.  That said, I don't think it will hurt to try some solids.  Its up to you & what you're comfortable with.

#14 Wacky Wobbler

Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:57 AM

My milk dried up nearly a week and a half ago so I went on a medication that I cannot take whilst breast feeding. I was full time expressing and over time my supply started to dry up. I can't go off the medication as I have paid a lot of money for it  and would have to re start it again which would cost more money.

I was on Motilium and fenugreek but was taken off the Motilium due to suffering some nasty side effects hence why I now have no milk.

I'm happy to up his formula amount, I was just a tad concerned as I keep getting conflicting info from the MCHN.

#15 lozzylots

Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE (puffsgirl11 @ 21/02/2013, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My milk dried up nearly a week and a half ago so I went on a medication that I cannot take whilst breast feeding. I was full time expressing and over time my supply started to dry up.


Sorry, slightly off topic but well done expressing as long as you did!! We've chatted before about this and I know how hard you worked to keep up your supply. Good on you original.gif  original.gif

My understanding about starting solids in this kind of situation (purely from reading, I have no experience yet) is that the low calorie solids fill his tummy up so that he isn't taking in too many calories from all the extra formula he needs to satisfy his hunger. I thought that you could give too much formula?? But as I say, that's just what I've read. I have the opposite problem with DD, she's not a great feeder and what I've read is to not start solids yet as you don't want them to fill her up so she's not getting the calories she needs from the formula. Logically the opposite should be true in your case I would have thought

#16 Bunsen

Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

DS1 was similar at this age - crying for more milk, even during a feed. MCHN said keep giving milk not solids but he would drink so much he would throw it back up again. GP said try solids and honestly after a couple of spoonfuls of rice cereal he was a different boy, much happier, settled and not crying with hunger.

He took well to a couple of tablespoons of rice cereal/apple/pear/pumpkin puree twice a day without dropping any milk feeds - if he'd started dropping milk feeds straight away I would have been concerned but he just needed the extra and in the form of solid food.

DS2 was completely different and didn't take to solids until 7 months!

#17 Wacky Wobbler

Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE (lozzylots @ 21/02/2013, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, slightly off topic but well done expressing as long as you did!! We've chatted before about this and I know how hard you worked to keep up your supply. Good on you original.gif  original.gif

My understanding about starting solids in this kind of situation (purely from reading, I have no experience yet) is that the low calorie solids fill his tummy up so that he isn't taking in too many calories from all the extra formula he needs to satisfy his hunger. I thought that you could give too much formula?? But as I say, that's just what I've read. I have the opposite problem with DD, she's not a great feeder and what I've read is to not start solids yet as you don't want them to fill her up so she's not getting the calories she needs from the formula. Logically the opposite should be true in your case I would have thought



Thanks. I was upset that I had to stop the Motilium but the nasty side effects were not worth the 50mls I was getting a day.

I also thought you could give too much formula, but it doesn't matter as today he has decided he only needs 120mls at every feed so far.

Just when I think I have him figured out he changed his mind. I guess my fear is that when he was on the breast milk he was in the 50th percentile for weight and now he has gone to the 65th percentile which everyone keeps telling me is because he is on formula and I've had a couple of people telling me that you shouldn't demand feed on formula and I only making him fat.

#18 Pop-to-the-shops

Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:45 PM

I would try it. I know a lot of people at to wait, but my bub really took to it at about four months. They have always been big eaters.  And it also helps mine sleep.

Try some rice cereal, and a range of fruit and veg. There is heaps of stuff around on starting solids.

http://www.allergy.org.au/images/stories/a...Advice_2010.pdf



#19 Kay1

Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:54 PM

I also wanted to say what a great effort expressing this long, I am amazed! original.gif

I started DS2 just before 4 months on paed advice because he was so unsettled and we'd tried everything else. It didn't really help.

I would go with your feeling though and wait a little longer.

FWIW DS3 I started at 5 and a bit months and he has taken to it like a .....well a pig at a trough LOL. I was going to do BLW but he was getting so frustrated and crying because he couldn't get enough food in so now I am doing a combo of purees and BLW. Its working really well. I give him puree (after a BF) to fill him up so he's not crying hungry and then I give him some finger food to munch on while we eat our dinner.

#20 Wacky Wobbler

Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:59 PM

I really want to have a go at BLW so I think I will wait and see how we go with the extra formula. Im not sure if he is ready and I wouldn't do it to get him to sleep longer or anything like tht as he is a pretty good night sleeper, I was just more worried about him not being satisfied with the formula.

Kay1 - thanks. It was hard work expressing every 2 hours. Its amazing how much time I now have to do other things now that I no longer do it, but it was well worth it as DS is a very good weight and looks the picture of health.

Thank you for all of your replies.

#21 MinkyMonkey

Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

I agree with waiting until 6 months and feeding more milk. The very recent infant feeding guidelines also still recommend waiting until around 6 months even though baby food and formula companies have been paying a lot of money recently for 'research' trying to push introduction of solids back to 4 months for allergy reasons.

http://eatforhealth.gov.au/sites/default/f..._guidelines.pdf

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Professor Amanda Lee, Chair of the Dietary Guidelines Working Committee, said the scientific evidence clearly showed that “around six months of age is the optimum time to introduce solids for children.”

“There have been some reports in the media about allergies and the suggestion that infants should be introduced to solids at an earlier age to stop allergies. We found no evidence of that,” she said.


QUOTE
Dr Karleen Gribble, Adjunct Research Fellow at the School of Nursing at the University of Western Sydney said it was “a really big deal” that the new guidelines retained six months as the recommended age that babies start solid foods.

“There was extensive lobbying to get that changed [to four months] from industry,” said Dr Gribble, who was not involved in writing the new guidelines.

“We’ve yet to have the labelling changed on baby foods in Australia, so if you go into the shops you’ll see baby foods labelled as suitable from four months.”

Introducing solids too early put the baby at risk of infection, said Dr Gribble.

“And also their guts aren’t really mature enough to digest the food properly anyway. When the recommendation was four months, a lot of parents were introducing them at two to three months because ‘their babies were very advanced’,” she said.


#22 Leela321

Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:12 PM

Most babies start solids around 4-7 months of age. You try and give an extra bottle to see if that settles him or try spoon of solids.

You can see what works for your baby.




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