Jump to content

Olympian Oscar Pistorius
Allegedly kills girlfriend


  • Please log in to reply
367 replies to this topic

#1 B.feral3

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/...-for-a-burglar/

Edited by Bek+3, 16 February 2013 - 06:36 AM.


#2 BadCat

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:39 PM

If they have charged him with murder (I'm unclear as to whether they actually have) I wonder if the initial reports that he shot her thinking she was a burglar are wrong.

It's heartbreaking if the initial reports that she was surprising him for v day and he shot her thinking she was a burglar.

Edited by O TheHugeManatee, 14 February 2013 - 09:41 PM.


#3 B.feral3

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:43 PM

I think a lot more will come out in the coming days and I doubt the media know very much at all at this point.

ETA: This article puts things in a different perspective to the first.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/14/oscar-pistor...truder-3476284/

Edited by Bek+3, 14 February 2013 - 09:55 PM.


#4 babatjie

Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

I don't trust the SA Police, it's full of crime, corruption and every statement/action has some political motivation.

#5 AbbottProofFence

Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:13 PM

I grew up in South Africa and came to Australia at 15 and still have a large amount of family there.

I wouldn't be surprised either way with this one.

I wouldn't be surprised if he thought she was an intruder because of the huge crime rates in South Africa. The part of South Africa Pistorius originates from is one of the worst areas for crime. It has a large wealthy Afrikaner population and the Afrikaner population is often targeted when it comes to things like home invasions and carjackings. My own father decades ago always said that in the event of a car jacking or home invasion, you 'shoot first, ask questions second'.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the SA Police have some motive here because they are incredibly corrupt.

I also sadly wouldn't be surprised if he did murder her. Violent crime against women is sadly not rare.

We'll just have to see how it plays out.

Edited by norageo, 14 February 2013 - 10:28 PM.


#6 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:02 AM

As above.

#7 Dresden

Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:53 AM

I'm giving him the benefit of doubt at the moment. Everyday South Africans live with fear. Murder and rape figures are astonomically high. It wouldn't take much to take out the guards on door and still break in.

I'm hoping it was just a tragic accident.

I also wouldn't trust the South African police as far as I c ould kick them. Corrupt as hell.

Edited by Dresden, 15 February 2013 - 07:01 AM.


#8 Niamh23

Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:25 AM

QUOTE (Omega_particle @ 15/02/2013, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder why they reported that he thought his gf was an intruder? It seems highly unlikely since it was a heavily gated community and she was present there all night, as there were reports of disturbances from eariler in the evening (if neighbours are to believed).


I think who ever was behind the story was really playing on negative stereotypes about South Africa and it's problem with crime and violence. The whole story screams blame the black man.


Seriously? Do you deny that SA has a massive problem with violent crime? Why do you think so many people live in gated communities and own guns?

It has nothing to do with "blame the black man" (good lord)! Have you actually lived in SA, or are you just mouthing off?

#9 Gumbette

Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:30 AM

They played an interview with SA police this morning and they are at a loss as to who released the statement saying that Oscar thought his girlfriend was an intruder.

Edited by TiredbutHappy, 15 February 2013 - 07:30 AM.


#10 drowninginlego

Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:33 AM

My husband's aunt and uncle live in the same estate. I visited just last year. I have to agree with the pp that an intruder is highly unlikely there. The security is astronomical.
At my dh grandmother's place, it would be a different story. Gated, yes. Secure, no.
Pretoria is dangerous but just like everywhere, there are good and bad areas. We safely walked the streets of silverlakes (the estate in question) and outside estates in regular neighborhoods.
Sadly, I think the intruder story is just that. A story.

#11 drowninginlego

Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:58 AM

For what it's worth, omega, my south African dh agrees with you. Blaming the black man is very convinient. Apartheid may have ended but racism is still rife.

#12 andyk

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:03 AM

Now reporting that there have been previous domestic issues which required police call outs.

#13 JapNFeral

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:19 AM

All I could think of when I read the initial report was of the book the Two Mrs. Grenvilles.

#14 Mrs Dinosaurus

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:28 AM

I read the initial report with incredible skepticism, I expect there is a lot more to this and a lot more to come out.

like PPs I am worried the truth may be buried behind a good political sh*t storm.

Absolutely heartbreaking for the families.

#15 BetteBoop

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:32 AM

I don't think anyone doubts the real fear that white people in South Africa live with on a daily basis.

But given the history of domestic violence, the claim that he accidentally shot her is looking a bit less likely and more a case of finding an easy target to blame.

It reminds me of my favourite South Park episode Some puerto rican guy

NB- I'm not trying to suggest that some puerto rican guy isn't in fact a criminal. More that it's a traditional blame game for whites.

#16 MrsLexiK

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:36 AM

QUOTE (Dresden @ 15/02/2013, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm giving him the benefit of doubt at the moment. Everyday South Africans live with fear. Murder and rape figures are astonomically high. It wouldn't take much to take out the guards on door and still break in.

I'm hoping it was just a tragic accident.

I also wouldn't trust the South African police as far as I c ould kick them. Corrupt as hell.


This is for me as well.  I really hope it was an accident, it is looking less like that but until some real facts are released we won't know.  I don't know how much I trust the SA police either.

#17 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE (thestylemanual @ 15/02/2013, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For what it's worth, omega, my south African dh agrees with you. Blaming the black man is very convinient. Apartheid may have ended but racism is still rife.


Not so much about racism more about likelihood. It is a very violent place and people being shot and or raped, tortured and murdered in violent burglaries is unfortunately not uncommon. A national treasure shooting his partner in rage seems a lot less likely and a lot more difficult to accept. But yeah, although no one actually knows where the initial speculation came from, he wouldn't be the first person to use SA's violent backdrop as a cover up. There was the dude from England who had his wife killed while on honeymoon there. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shrie...iorated-1708166

Here is an example of what I mean (PLEASE NOTE THIS IS EXTREMELY VIOLENT AND DISTRESSING)
http://praag.org/?p=838 The point to this is before anyone jumps on the Afrikaaners are racists bandwagon you have to at least have some idea of the fear they live in. Also keep in mind that most South Africans (from one end of the colour spectrum to the other) manage to cultivate healthy relationships with many different cultures outside of South Africa.

As a side note none of this is a defense of Oscar P. Simply to most of us, his being capable of such a crime is like Mandela being capable of such a crime -  nobody wants to believe it.

Edited by ForsakenTruth, 15 February 2013 - 09:09 AM.


#18 greengoddess

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:43 AM

The lack of trust of the South African police is well founded, but frankly, do you think they'd arrest and charge a superstar celebrity with murder as part of a conspiracy?

He has a history of violence and violence against women; he is a known gun owner and has posted photos of him shooting online; even in his Nike ad he referred to himself as a bullet (!); and given the number of women who die at the hands of their partners each year - all around the world - is it that hard to believe that he killed her?

Sometimes a duck is just a duck.

#19 drowninginlego

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:48 AM

QUOTE (Dresden @ 15/02/2013, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm giving him the benefit of doubt at the moment. Everyday South Africans live with fear. Murder and rape figures are astonomically high. It wouldn't take much to take out the guards on door and still break in.

I'm hoping it was just a tragic accident.

I also wouldn't trust the South African police as far as I c ould kick them. Corrupt as hell.


Actually, it would take much. It isn't a small gated community. We're talking hundreds of homes. This is more like a gated suburb. There are multiple armed guards at the entry. At least eight. Then they would have to find his house. The houses are a short drive from the gate. It'd be like taking out guards at Old Melbourne Gaol then looking for his house in Carlton. We're not talking a guard at his front door. We're talking a guard between 2-20 minutes drive from his house. So they'd have to take out all the guards without either being shot by one of the others or one of them pressing a general, police panic button alarm then make it to the house, break into through the high security the house will have of it's own.

Or he killed her out of anger.

Which seems more likely?

#20 Feral_Pooks

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:51 AM

Whether it was DV or he thought she was an intruder, a woman is dead for no reason- from violence. Either way it's influenced by the fact that the culture there is ****ed and violent to an extreme. It's such a sad story. Imagine living in a violent, racist country with corrupt police! Oh, wait...

#21 Relish*

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:56 AM

QUOTE (greengoddess @ 15/02/2013, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He has a history of violence and violence against women

Really?

#22 greengoddess

Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:03 AM

QUOTE (Relish* @ 15/02/2013, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really?


Yes - at least one arrest for assault, recent threats and intimidation, two former girlfriends silenced from speaking (one vaguely alluded to his "darker side" and promptly was forced to retract), there have already been domestic incidents at his home.

#23 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:18 AM

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/pis...69#.UR1vZh2Rp8E

In case anyone wants to read what SA media are saying. The burglary component was pure speculation from a talk back show.
The allegations of a abuse stem from an incident in 2009 where he spent a night in custody after slamming a door on a woman. The charges were dropped.
I think at this point it is probably best to wait from the court hearing before speculating anymore.



#24 B.feral3

Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:19 AM

Shame that will all his fame and fortune he wasn't able to get help for himself if that's the case. He's thrown it all away now.

#25 MrsLexiK

Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:22 AM

QUOTE (Omega_particle @ 15/02/2013, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think some perspective is needed. Are you honestly comparing the violence and police corruption in SA with Australia?


I read that like you did as well Omega, I really hope Pooks is not meaning that at all.




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

How a baby can survive alone for days on end

The baby found abandoned in a Sydney drain may have been alone for up to six days without being fed, leaving many asking how he could have survived.

When it begins to look a lot like Christmas

A child's excitement at Christmas time is a beautiful thing, but one dad ponders whether his toddler daughter is getting into the festive mood a bit too soon.

Hospital lets dads the experience some of the pain of childbirth

A new experience is radically altering men's views of childbirth.

Italian doctors questioned over formula bribes

Italian police have placed 12 doctors under house arrest on suspicion of promoting baby milk formula over breastfeeding.

Heartwarming prank gives single mum the house she was hired to clean

Cara Simmons arrived at work to clean a large and beautiful house in time for a party planned for that evening. It was soon hers.

Those special moments of sibling bonding

Every now and then your child does or says something that is truly memorable.

Why we should stop telling new parents to 'enjoy every moment'

A few weeks ago, some dear friends of mine had their first baby. As the proud dad texted me a picture I had to fight the natural instinct to say “Enjoy every moment!”

Baby monitor footage posted online

Footage of Australian babies and children sleeping in their bedrooms are among the images on a Russian site showing live feeds from thousands of homes and businesses around the world.

Did this new dad really hit on his wife's midwife?

Was there really a man who was actually there by his wife’s side as she laboured and gave birth to his child, all while he was making what he perceived to be meaningful eye contact with a midwife?

Keep calm and ignore the Tantrum Trolls

Tantrum Trolls are a small but growing species of predatory bottom-feeders who delight in picking on parents at their most vulnerable.

It's okay to never 'get over' the death of a loved one

The death of children, siblings, and parents has long term impacts on the rest of our lives.

What Mark Latham needs to know about depression and motherhood

In a bizarre bid for relevancy, Former Opposition leader Mark Latham has deduced that because one female journalist had this week light-heartedly thanked antidepressants and caffeine for getting her through a medical degree while raising two small children, that ergo, all 'inner-city feminists' are selfish harridans who despise their offspring.

'We're just trying to keep our child alive': life with FPIES

We have a beautiful seven-month-old son, and his allergy rules our life.

Transgender dad breastfeeds his babies

A transgender man who breastfed his first baby - despite having his breasts removed as part of his transformation from female to male - has now had a second child.

Couple face $1 million medical bill and bankruptcy after babymoon birth

A Canadian couple were slammed with a million dollar medical bill after their daughter was prematurely during their babymoon.

Win one of 5 Little Tikes Cozy Coupe Sport

Australia?s No 1 selling car is now available in a Sports model and we have 5 to give away to some lucky Essential Baby families.

Cigarettes, junk food dominate supermarket sales growth

One in every five dollars spent at supermarkets goes on cigarettes or junk food, according to industry data.

Teacher under fire for breastfeeding in class

There is no doubt mums have a right to continue breastfeeding after they have returned to work, but one teacher in the US has taken it to the extreme.

Video: Baby sniffs beardless dad to make sure it's him

She looks him up and down and then touches his chin, but baby Lindsey still isn't sure this clean-shaven man is her dad.

The tragedy of losing a favourite teddy bear

We were green and uninitiated, perhaps a little naïve when it came to the favourite toy responsibility.

It's possible to workout while pregnant

Medical experts say intense fitness routines can be done safely during pregnancy - if the mums-to-be follow some guidelines.

Baby for Asher Keddie and Vincent Fantauzzo

Fans followed every step of her on-screen pregnancy in Offspring, now Asher Keddie is going to be a mum in real life too.

What parents really want for their kids

Are our hopes, dreams and expectations for our children what they really need?

'I had a feeling something was seriously wrong': the fight for Kaden's diagnosis

Before even giving birth, Katie Myers' maternal instincts warned her something was wrong with her baby.

Win a family pass to Disney Live!

We have 4 family passes to give away to see Disney Live! presents Three Classic Fairy Tales, touring Australia this December/January.

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Win one of 5 Little Tikes Cozy Coupe Sport

Australia?s No 1 selling car is now available in a Sports model and we have 5 to give away to some lucky Essential Baby families.

Join PADDINGTON on the red carpet!

To celebrate the release of PADDINGTON, we are giving five lucky winners the chance to win a family pass to the exclusive Australian Premiere in Sydney on December 7!

When your pregnancy causes a relationship rift

Some dads-to-be don't miss a beat when their partner is pregnant; others struggle with a range of issues and can become withdrawn, right when their support is needed most.

Couple uses group photo trick to announce pregnancy to loved ones

Katharine and Kris Camilli devised a clever trick to immortalise their family and friends' reactions to their exciting pregnancy news.

Why Tracey Spicer has given up make-up

"After 30 years on television, I had become what I despised: a painted doll who spent an hour a day and close to $200 a week putting on a mask."

Knowing you are one of the lucky ones

I am secure, confident and strong, but the responsibility of protecting my children can almost bring me undone.

Why I am so emotional now I have kids?

There are so many ways in which parenthood changes us as women, but one of the most noticeable, for me, has been the changing state of my emotions.

Baby survives despite sharing womb with 'foreign body'

Baby Maia was conceived against the odds, only to find she was sharing a womb with an ominous "foreign body".

Video: Baby shows dog how to jump - or vice versa

They say dog is man's best friend, but this playful pooch seems to have chosen a jumping baby as her number one buddy.

10 ways to soothe a crying baby

New paernts can get frustrated when their newborn gets fussy and can't settle down. When you're feeling overwhelmed, try some of these simple tips to help soothe your baby.

20 baby names that are becoming more popular every year

The data-lovers at nameberry.com have been at it again – this time, they’ve discovered the names that are continually rising up the ranks, ready to take out some top spots in the next few years.

10 great meals to make for new parents

Ideally, you want to give food that isn’t expensive to make, isn't too difficult to create, and freezes well; stews, bakes, soups and pasta sauces are perfect.

'It's not you, it's me': Boston bombing survivor mum to have leg amputated

Rebekah DiMartino is going through a break-up. She even wrote a farewell love letter. But it's not to her husband.

What it's like to go through early menopause

In a cruel twist, Carla had been breastfeeding and perimenopausal at the same time. But she's far from the only one to go through menopause early.

Weird pregnancy products

Some pregnancy products come to market and are just awesome. Others just leave you scratching your head.

Restaurant served alcohol to two-year-old

Busy restaurants can be forgiven for getting food and drink orders mixed up from time to time, but not when the confusion leads to a two-year-old being served an alcoholic cocktail instead of the child-friendly beverage they ordered.

Julia Morris tells of miscarriage on a flight

Julia Morris has spoken about the devastation of suffering a miscarriage while on an international flight.

Woman's survival after birth 'a story of two miracles'

A US mother is home and tending to her new baby less than a month after surviving without a pulse for 45 minutes.

Best maternity swimwear and beach cover-ups

Thinking about a tropical babymoon but have nothing to wear? Here are some great swimwear and beach cover-up options for mums-to-be.

Metal shards hidden in playground

Pieces of sharp metal have been seemingly deliberately placed in rubber matting and across equipment at a kids' playground.

 

How many weeks til Christmas?

On your To-Do list

Get the "Santa" shopping done without the kids in tow.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.