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Allegedly kills girlfriend


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#1 B.feral3

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/...-for-a-burglar/

Edited by Bek+3, 16 February 2013 - 06:36 AM.


#2 BadCat

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:39 PM

If they have charged him with murder (I'm unclear as to whether they actually have) I wonder if the initial reports that he shot her thinking she was a burglar are wrong.

It's heartbreaking if the initial reports that she was surprising him for v day and he shot her thinking she was a burglar.

Edited by O TheHugeManatee, 14 February 2013 - 09:41 PM.


#3 B.feral3

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:43 PM

I think a lot more will come out in the coming days and I doubt the media know very much at all at this point.

ETA: This article puts things in a different perspective to the first.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/02/14/oscar-pistor...truder-3476284/

Edited by Bek+3, 14 February 2013 - 09:55 PM.


#4 babatjie

Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

I don't trust the SA Police, it's full of crime, corruption and every statement/action has some political motivation.

#5 AbbottProofFence

Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:13 PM

I grew up in South Africa and came to Australia at 15 and still have a large amount of family there.

I wouldn't be surprised either way with this one.

I wouldn't be surprised if he thought she was an intruder because of the huge crime rates in South Africa. The part of South Africa Pistorius originates from is one of the worst areas for crime. It has a large wealthy Afrikaner population and the Afrikaner population is often targeted when it comes to things like home invasions and carjackings. My own father decades ago always said that in the event of a car jacking or home invasion, you 'shoot first, ask questions second'.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the SA Police have some motive here because they are incredibly corrupt.

I also sadly wouldn't be surprised if he did murder her. Violent crime against women is sadly not rare.

We'll just have to see how it plays out.

Edited by norageo, 14 February 2013 - 10:28 PM.


#6 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:02 AM

As above.

#7 Dresden

Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:53 AM

I'm giving him the benefit of doubt at the moment. Everyday South Africans live with fear. Murder and rape figures are astonomically high. It wouldn't take much to take out the guards on door and still break in.

I'm hoping it was just a tragic accident.

I also wouldn't trust the South African police as far as I c ould kick them. Corrupt as hell.

Edited by Dresden, 15 February 2013 - 07:01 AM.


#8 Niamh23

Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:25 AM

QUOTE (Omega_particle @ 15/02/2013, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder why they reported that he thought his gf was an intruder? It seems highly unlikely since it was a heavily gated community and she was present there all night, as there were reports of disturbances from eariler in the evening (if neighbours are to believed).


I think who ever was behind the story was really playing on negative stereotypes about South Africa and it's problem with crime and violence. The whole story screams blame the black man.


Seriously? Do you deny that SA has a massive problem with violent crime? Why do you think so many people live in gated communities and own guns?

It has nothing to do with "blame the black man" (good lord)! Have you actually lived in SA, or are you just mouthing off?

#9 Gumbette

Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:30 AM

They played an interview with SA police this morning and they are at a loss as to who released the statement saying that Oscar thought his girlfriend was an intruder.

Edited by TiredbutHappy, 15 February 2013 - 07:30 AM.


#10 Hmmhuhwhat

Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:33 AM

My husband's aunt and uncle live in the same estate. I visited just last year. I have to agree with the pp that an intruder is highly unlikely there. The security is astronomical.
At my dh grandmother's place, it would be a different story. Gated, yes. Secure, no.
Pretoria is dangerous but just like everywhere, there are good and bad areas. We safely walked the streets of silverlakes (the estate in question) and outside estates in regular neighborhoods.
Sadly, I think the intruder story is just that. A story.

#11 Hmmhuhwhat

Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:58 AM

For what it's worth, omega, my south African dh agrees with you. Blaming the black man is very convinient. Apartheid may have ended but racism is still rife.

#12 andyk

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:03 AM

Now reporting that there have been previous domestic issues which required police call outs.

#13 JapNFeral

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:19 AM

All I could think of when I read the initial report was of the book the Two Mrs. Grenvilles.

#14 Mrs Dinosaurus

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:28 AM

I read the initial report with incredible skepticism, I expect there is a lot more to this and a lot more to come out.

like PPs I am worried the truth may be buried behind a good political sh*t storm.

Absolutely heartbreaking for the families.

#15 BetteBoop

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:32 AM

I don't think anyone doubts the real fear that white people in South Africa live with on a daily basis.

But given the history of domestic violence, the claim that he accidentally shot her is looking a bit less likely and more a case of finding an easy target to blame.

It reminds me of my favourite South Park episode Some puerto rican guy

NB- I'm not trying to suggest that some puerto rican guy isn't in fact a criminal. More that it's a traditional blame game for whites.

#16 MrsLexiK

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:36 AM

QUOTE (Dresden @ 15/02/2013, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm giving him the benefit of doubt at the moment. Everyday South Africans live with fear. Murder and rape figures are astonomically high. It wouldn't take much to take out the guards on door and still break in.

I'm hoping it was just a tragic accident.

I also wouldn't trust the South African police as far as I c ould kick them. Corrupt as hell.


This is for me as well.  I really hope it was an accident, it is looking less like that but until some real facts are released we won't know.  I don't know how much I trust the SA police either.

#17 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE (thestylemanual @ 15/02/2013, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For what it's worth, omega, my south African dh agrees with you. Blaming the black man is very convinient. Apartheid may have ended but racism is still rife.


Not so much about racism more about likelihood. It is a very violent place and people being shot and or raped, tortured and murdered in violent burglaries is unfortunately not uncommon. A national treasure shooting his partner in rage seems a lot less likely and a lot more difficult to accept. But yeah, although no one actually knows where the initial speculation came from, he wouldn't be the first person to use SA's violent backdrop as a cover up. There was the dude from England who had his wife killed while on honeymoon there. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shrie...iorated-1708166

Here is an example of what I mean (PLEASE NOTE THIS IS EXTREMELY VIOLENT AND DISTRESSING)
http://praag.org/?p=838 The point to this is before anyone jumps on the Afrikaaners are racists bandwagon you have to at least have some idea of the fear they live in. Also keep in mind that most South Africans (from one end of the colour spectrum to the other) manage to cultivate healthy relationships with many different cultures outside of South Africa.

As a side note none of this is a defense of Oscar P. Simply to most of us, his being capable of such a crime is like Mandela being capable of such a crime -  nobody wants to believe it.

Edited by ForsakenTruth, 15 February 2013 - 09:09 AM.


#18 greengoddess

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:43 AM

The lack of trust of the South African police is well founded, but frankly, do you think they'd arrest and charge a superstar celebrity with murder as part of a conspiracy?

He has a history of violence and violence against women; he is a known gun owner and has posted photos of him shooting online; even in his Nike ad he referred to himself as a bullet (!); and given the number of women who die at the hands of their partners each year - all around the world - is it that hard to believe that he killed her?

Sometimes a duck is just a duck.

#19 Hmmhuhwhat

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:48 AM

QUOTE (Dresden @ 15/02/2013, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm giving him the benefit of doubt at the moment. Everyday South Africans live with fear. Murder and rape figures are astonomically high. It wouldn't take much to take out the guards on door and still break in.

I'm hoping it was just a tragic accident.

I also wouldn't trust the South African police as far as I c ould kick them. Corrupt as hell.


Actually, it would take much. It isn't a small gated community. We're talking hundreds of homes. This is more like a gated suburb. There are multiple armed guards at the entry. At least eight. Then they would have to find his house. The houses are a short drive from the gate. It'd be like taking out guards at Old Melbourne Gaol then looking for his house in Carlton. We're not talking a guard at his front door. We're talking a guard between 2-20 minutes drive from his house. So they'd have to take out all the guards without either being shot by one of the others or one of them pressing a general, police panic button alarm then make it to the house, break into through the high security the house will have of it's own.

Or he killed her out of anger.

Which seems more likely?

#20 ShamelesslyPooks

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:51 AM

Whether it was DV or he thought she was an intruder, a woman is dead for no reason- from violence. Either way it's influenced by the fact that the culture there is ****ed and violent to an extreme. It's such a sad story. Imagine living in a violent, racist country with corrupt police! Oh, wait...

#21 Relish*

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:56 AM

QUOTE (greengoddess @ 15/02/2013, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He has a history of violence and violence against women

Really?

#22 greengoddess

Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:03 AM

QUOTE (Relish* @ 15/02/2013, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really?


Yes - at least one arrest for assault, recent threats and intimidation, two former girlfriends silenced from speaking (one vaguely alluded to his "darker side" and promptly was forced to retract), there have already been domestic incidents at his home.

#23 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:18 AM

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/pis...69#.UR1vZh2Rp8E

In case anyone wants to read what SA media are saying. The burglary component was pure speculation from a talk back show.
The allegations of a abuse stem from an incident in 2009 where he spent a night in custody after slamming a door on a woman. The charges were dropped.
I think at this point it is probably best to wait from the court hearing before speculating anymore.



#24 B.feral3

Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:19 AM

Shame that will all his fame and fortune he wasn't able to get help for himself if that's the case. He's thrown it all away now.

#25 MrsLexiK

Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:22 AM

QUOTE (Omega_particle @ 15/02/2013, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think some perspective is needed. Are you honestly comparing the violence and police corruption in SA with Australia?


I read that like you did as well Omega, I really hope Pooks is not meaning that at all.




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