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#1 BadCat

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:41 AM

Imagine if you will, a few years from now, scientists have developed a foolproof test for truth.  A lie detector, a truth serum?  Doesn't matter what it is.  It is infallible.  It gets the truth of the matter every time.  (Please try not to get bogged down by the fact that such a thing may never be possible, assume it is.)

A violent repeat offender (murderer, rapist) is found guilty by way of this truth device.  Using the device authorities are able to ascertain that the offender has no remorse and fully intends to go on with his wicked ways should he ever be released from prison.  He is not mentally ill, he's just a nasty b*st*rd.

Do you support the death penalty in a case like this?






#2 Feraldadathome

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:45 AM

No. Imprisonment for life.

#3 Therese

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:46 AM

No. I also think he should be imprisoned for life.

#4 Mitis angelam

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:47 AM

No.

#5 PrincessPeach

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:47 AM

Given the controversy over the release of this prisoner in Qld, I can see how the death penalty is necessary in certain circumstances.

#6 Mrs Lannister

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:47 AM

Yes. Why should we have to pay to keep him alive?

#7 Oriental lily

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:48 AM

No.

I don't support the death penalty under any circumstances.

Tough sentences though thats has the safety of the community as the highest priority though I support.which would mean more sentences withour parole.

Edited by Oriental lily, 14 February 2013 - 08:49 AM.


#8 Futureself

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:49 AM

No

Part of me wants to, as to me someone like that has already lost part of their humanity, but no, I cannot support the death penalty.

#9 Chaos in stereo

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:49 AM

No. I don't think we have the right to decide whether he lives or not, no matter how heinous the crime.

#10 Bluenomi

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:52 AM

Yes. It costs a fortune to keep people in prison and quite often they get a pretty nice life besides the fact they can't leave. Then there is the fact they can escape or do deals to get released. I'd prefer to get rid of them and spend that money helping the victims and their families

#11 elizabethany

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:52 AM

No, and I wouldn't support using your truth serum either.

#12 GoneWithTheWhinge

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:53 AM

QUOTE (PrincessPeach @ 14/02/2013, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Given the controversy over the release of this prisoner in Qld, I can see how the death penalty is necessary in certain circumstances.


Please elaborate how killing someone is necessary.



I do not agree with the death penalty. I don't think any person has the right to determine someone else's death because of an act they committed.

#13 JustBeige

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:55 AM

QUOTE
Yes. It costs a fortune to keep people in prison and quite often they get a pretty nice life besides the fact they can't leave. Then there is the fact they can escape or do deals to get released. I'd prefer to get rid of them and spend that money helping the victims and their families
this is what I think also in a perfect world, where we can use this infallible test to determine absolute truth.




#14 kpingitquiet

Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:59 AM

Nah, as vengeance-minded as I am, I still can't get around the idea of killing to punish for killing, etc. It's kind of the super-magnified version of spanking your children to teach them not to hit unsure.gif

That and I've seen and read Minority Report. There's always a possibility for error.  ph34r.gif

#15 BadCat

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:01 AM

QUOTE (elizabethany @ 14/02/2013, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, and I wouldn't support using your truth serum either.


Why would you not support an infallible truth serum?

#16 AngryBird

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:07 AM

No. I don't support the death penalty in any situation.
I also don't think we know enough about the human brain to be able to say someone who commits such acts is not mentally ill, just evil. We have such a small understanding of mental illness as it is,  we're in no position to determine what it does and does not do to a person's thought processes, actions and behaviours.

#17 71Cath

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:07 AM

QUOTE (kpingitquiet @ 14/02/2013, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nah, as vengeance-minded as I am, I still can't get around the idea of killing to punish for killing, etc. It's kind of the super-magnified version of spanking your children to teach them not to hit unsure.gif

I think this too.

#18 elizabethany

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:07 AM

QUOTE (O TheHugeManatee @ 14/02/2013, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why would you not support an infallible truth serum?


Because I belive in the right to remain silent and the right against self incrimination.  I think that we all keep secrets and it is not always in someones best interests for those to become public.  People have a right to the privacy of their own heads, since that is all the privacy we have left.

#19 Oriental lily

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:15 AM

I agree elizabethany.

It would be like a rape of your thoughts.

Your inner mind and thoughts shoud be the one place you can protect from being tampered with.

#20 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:20 AM

No.

The interests of justice (in punishing him) and of society (in being safe from dangerous criminals) are served by imprisoning him - for life if necessary. The death penalty is barbaric and unnecessary.

(and to the PP who mentioned cost, the American exerience is that it costs more to execute than it does to imprison them for life)

EFS

Edited by Lucretia Borgia, 14 February 2013 - 09:26 AM.


#21 eigne

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:20 AM

I think yes. However I am categorically against any forms of torture, no matter the crime. If a heinous crime could be proved beyond any doubt (not just reasonable) then I support the death penalty.

What about the 'inner parts' of the murdered or raped? I'd sure like to protect those too.

#22 PrincessPeach

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE (GoneWithTheWhinge @ 14/02/2013, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please elaborate how killing someone is necessary.


It costs the state a fortune to keep these offenders in secure & a lot of times solitary confinement, they are not able to be rehabilitated & they get more luxuries than a pensioner or someone with a disability.

Why should I keep them in luxury, when the older members of our society can barely afford to feed themselves properly.

#23 BadCat

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE (elizabethany @ 14/02/2013, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because I belive in the right to remain silent and the right against self incrimination.  I think that we all keep secrets and it is not always in someones best interests for those to become public.  People have a right to the privacy of their own heads, since that is all the privacy we have left.



I disagree with the rights of a criminal to keep his crimes in the privacy of his head.

I can see that such a serum might be misused and it would of course need to be well controlled.  I would not support spilling people's secrets willy-nilly.  Nobody would be subjected to the serum without reasonable basis for suspicion.  The only question that would need to be asked initially is "did you kill Mary Jones?".  I believe that you do not have the right to keep the murder you committed a secret from the community in which you live and that the community has every right to seek the truth.

#24 BadCat

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:30 AM

I wonder if the death penalty costs more than a life sentence because of all the appeals, solitary cells and such though?  Surely being found guilty by truth serum, senetenced to death, held for 24 hours so people who care can say goodbye, and then killed would not cost very much?  I doubt the lethal injection itself costs very much.

Edited by O TheHugeManatee, 14 February 2013 - 09:31 AM.


#25 Rubyduck

Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:33 AM

Yes and no, maybe I have a sick imagination but I would like the crime punished by the crime, you rape you get raped, you kill you get killed in the exact same way.Would never happen I know but I could see a lot of crimes stopping if the cowards thought they would have to go through the same thing. Prison seems like a luxury compared to what the victims of crime have to live through if they live at all.




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