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#1 ~sydblue~

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:06 AM

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SOUTH Australia's biggest Islamic school has warned teachers, including many non-Muslims, that they will lose their jobs if they do not wear a hijab to school functions and outings.

Up to 20 non-Muslim female teachers, who do not wish to be named, have been told they will be sacked from the Islamic College of South Australia's West Croydon campus after three warnings if they do not wear a headscarf to cover their hair.

The order, from the school's governing board and chairman Faruk Kahn, contradicts the policy of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nati...k-1226575723406


#2 Feral_Pooks

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:19 AM

What's the problem? I assume men would be sacked for not adhering to the school dress code as well. I'm not Muslim and I have covered myself appropriately for various events where it was required. It's a piece of clothing.

#3 liveworkplay

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:20 AM

My initial thoughts are it is a private "company" who can dictate any "uniform" they wish. Every workplace  have had has either had a uniform or a strict dress code. I am sure if I had flouted it I would have received warnings and ulitmately been asked to leave.

Is the problem that it is related to religion?

Edited by liveworkplay, 12 February 2013 - 08:22 AM.


#4 AllyK81

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:27 AM

I might be wrong, but I didn't think it was mandatory for all muslims to wear hijab.

It really is just a form of 'uniform' though, albeit a religiously affiliated one.

When travelling in muslim countries or visiting mosques I have covered my hair and I don't mind at all.

#5 Bam1

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:30 AM

I know not every Catholic school forces a "morality" code on it's teachers but some do and see less problem with forcing teachers to wear the scarf.

Personally though I don't believe a teacher needs to be a follower of the faith to be a good teacher at a religious school and that the schools should practice what they preach - tolerance for all religions. I would prefer a good teacher over a mediocre teacher who wears a scarf or follows the religious code.

#6 rosiebird

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:31 AM

QUOTE (Pooks_fembo @ 12/02/2013, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's the problem? I assume men would be sacked for not adhering to the school dress code as well. I'm not Muslim and I have covered myself appropriately for various events where it was required. It's a piece of clothing.


When the male teachers are asked to cover their heads or face sacking, I'll concede it is a workplace uniform not a religious imperative.


#7 Cranky Kitten

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:31 AM

*yawn* Don't want to wear it, get a job somewhere else. It's not as if they're being asked to wear a burqa, and even if they were it's the school's prerogative to decide on the dress code. So long as the school recognises that this may reduce the pool of teachers they have to select from, I don't see any problem with it. There's little difference between requiring staff to wear a headscarf and requiring students to wear a uniform IMO

#8 MarigoldMadge

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:33 AM

What do you think OP? Why did you post this? What's your take on it?

Personally, I don't have a problem with this - presumably the teachers were told this at the start of their employment, it's probably written in the school policy, and they've had three warnings.

My old Catholic girls school dictated that male teachers had to wear a suit and tie, and female teachers weren't allowed to wear trousers, and no bare shoulders. Meh.

Edited by haras1972, 12 February 2013 - 08:33 AM.


#9 Lyra

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:33 AM

I covered my hair when I worked in an Islamic School. It didn't bother me in the slightest as it meant I didn't have to worry about getting my haircut and coloured to stay neat and tidy LOL I just whacked a scarf or hat on in the morning and off I went. The school has since changed its policy and I don't need to cover my hair, this annoys me more because now I have to take time in the morning to fiddle around with my hair.

#10 ~sydblue~

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:33 AM

QUOTE (Pooks_fembo @ 12/02/2013, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's the problem? I assume men would be sacked for not adhering to the school dress code as well. I'm not Muslim and I have covered myself appropriately for various events where it was required. It's a piece of clothing.

This one school is actually going against the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils. If they go against them now and get away with it, what else will they go against?


#11 Bam1

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:36 AM

QUOTE (Cranky Kitten @ 12/02/2013, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*yawn* Don't want to wear it, get a job somewhere else. It's not as if they're being asked to wear a burqa, and even if they were it's the school's prerogative to decide on the dress code. So long as the school recognises that this may reduce the pool of teachers they have to select from, I don't see any problem with it. There's little difference between requiring staff to wear a headscarf and requiring students to wear a uniform IMO


If the hijab is okay, why not the burqa? its still the school's prerogative to decide on the dress code.

#12 matt1972

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:41 AM

QUOTE (~sydblue~ @ 12/02/2013, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This one school is actually going against the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils. If they go against them now and get away with it, what else will they go against?


Give us a few examples of how this is going to end up with all of South Australia falling under Sharia Law

#13 Cranky Kitten

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:41 AM

QUOTE (Bam1 @ 12/02/2013, 06:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If the hijab is okay, why not the burqa? its still the school's prerogative to decide on the dress code.


Ermm, I did say that. As in "even if they were, it's still the school's prerogative to set the dress code"

Comprehension fail.

#14 julz78

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:45 AM

I think if they were aware of this rule when they were employed then it is fair to impose it on them however if this was not made clear to them at time of employment and it is just being brought in now then their conditions of employment have unfairly changed and they should not have to adhere to the rule.

#15 Coffeegirl

Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:48 AM

How is this any different from airlines who require their staff to wear hats or veils or *gasp horror* Hijabs.

Or blouses buttoned up to the top button?  Or skirts with stockings?  

Mc Donalds require their employees to wear a uniform.  Why is that any different?



As another poster said -   Media beat up to get the rednecks riled.

#16 Froger

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:06 AM

Honestly I don't know what the governing board were thinking! This is lunatic policy to require non-Muslims to wear a scarf. It is not grounded in Islamic law. It is not even grounded in sense. I don't understand why they would do this. It is only going to make Muslims look like everything that racists and bigots say they are, playing right into their hands. They are making Muslims look stupid, and they only have themselves to blame.

QUOTE (~sydblue~ @ 12/02/2013, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This one school is actually going against the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils. If they go against them now and get away with it, what else will they go against?


Normally I would have no problem with most things against AFIC policy. I'm not saying anymore, lol. But in this case I certainly agree with AFIC.

Edited by SarahM72, 12 February 2013 - 09:08 AM.


#17 Anonymous12

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE (rosiebird @ 12/02/2013, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When the male teachers are asked to cover their heads or face sacking, I'll concede it is a workplace uniform not a religious imperative.



This.

Although pretty much every uniform has a male and female version, it is the reasoning behind the hijab that I find offensive to both men and women.

#18 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:12 AM

Did you know that Sanitarium can refuse to employ people who do not share their Christian values?
Did you know that flight attendants have to follow a very strict code of dress right down to approved hairstyles and make up colours?
Did you know that any professional environment has the right to enforce a dress code that best represents the companies image?

A head scarf in a Muslim school? If this is really an issue for some then they must have issues with pretty much religious and / or professional employer out there and if the only issue is because it is a Muslim school, well that's just hypocrisy in the the extreme.


#19 Etta

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:15 AM

QUOTE (Lyra @ 12/02/2013, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I covered my hair when I worked in an Islamic School. It didn't bother me in the slightest as it meant I didn't have to worry about getting my haircut and coloured to stay neat and tidy LOL I just whacked a scarf or hat on in the morning and off I went. The school has since changed its policy and I don't need to cover my hair, this annoys me more because now I have to take time in the morning to fiddle around with my hair.


Nothing to stop you still covering it!

#20 la di dah

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:16 AM

QUOTE (Bam1 @ 12/02/2013, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If the hijab is okay, why not the burqa? its still the school's prerogative to decide on the dress code.

Is the burqa supposed to be some horrifying line in the sand?  unsure.gif What teacher dress standards or school uniforms ARE okay, and why?

Plenty of schools have gender-distinct uniforms of assorted skirts and pinafore things?

#21 Percoriel

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:20 AM

Don't like then don't teach there! Simple. All religious schools would have as part of their terms and conditions of employment that you follow the religious ethos of the school. IN this instance, it means wearing the hijab.

Woopdedooda.



#22 treetree

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:21 AM

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When the male teachers are asked to cover their heads or face sacking, I'll concede it is a workplace uniform not a religious imperative.
Most public primary and secondary schools have uniform codes that dictate girls and boys wear different things. This is annoying, especially for those of us (me!) who have twice as many girls as boys. The girls' uniform is always more expensive than the boys' uniform.

But no-one is up in arms over that.

#23 kpingitquiet

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:23 AM

A head scarf/hijab is hardly oppressive uniform wear. I feel it's no different to required hair/beard nets or, more similarly, non-Jews wearing yarmulke when attending Jewish events, etc. My husband DETESTS wearing denim. Hates it. Feels it's hot and restrictive. He's required to wear jeans for work--cheap, stiff ones at that. My father was required to shave his much-beloved beard daily for his job. My grandfather had to wear full US Navy garb every day for 25 years. What's the big deal?

#24 TenYears

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:34 AM


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When the male teachers are asked to cover their heads or face sacking, I'll concede it is a workplace uniform not a religious imperative.


Isn't it both?   A workplace uniform for a religious organisation?  I find it really hard to get het up about an Islamic workplace requiring hijabs.  

The whole world of private school teacher dresscodes is a bemusing one for me.  There's more than one school around here that requires its staff to wear academic robes at formal events.  And the whole 'male teachers must wear suits and ties' thing defies all common sense in a Sydney summer.

#25 MrsLexiK

Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:47 AM

QUOTE (Anonymous12 @ 12/02/2013, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This.

Although pretty much every uniform has a male and female version, it is the reasoning behind the hijab that I find offensive to both men and women.


Yup I hope that the men are having to wear a Thobe.  My only issue is that it is my understanding that you do not have to wear the hijab much like you don't have to wear a cross, and it was a choice whether you wore one or not.  However if it is required by the Muslim religon that it must be worn then I see no issue with a school of Islamic faith requesting that all employees regardless of religon need to wear it.




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