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Halter collar or harness for Frenchie
he's a leash puller!

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#1 password123

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

My little French bulldog is pulling my arms out of their sockets.
He is 2 and a total beefcake. We have obedience trained etc etc but the pulling continues - bulldogs are the most stubborn creatures to walk the earth.
Anyway... does anyone have advice as to a suitable harness that might help? I currently use a rogz harness. In the past I have used /recommended "gentle leaders" with pullers, but with a frenchie there's kinda no nose to hook it on, so I'm sort of stumped! (No pun intended).

#2 MissingInAction

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:43 PM

The choker chain makes walking my kelpie puppy bearable... just.

There is a huge difference when he's wearing the choker to when he's not.  

#3 JRA

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:49 PM

I would never use a choker in today's day and age

We use/used a halti. It is brilliant

#4 unicorn

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:50 PM

I am a harness convert, I have an Amercian Bulldog and he is great to walk so that wasn't the issue. But gets a little boisterous around other dogs and due to breathing issues I have learnt that throat type devices like collars and choker chains are not good for them I bought a harness and I was really surprised at how easy it is to manoeuvre a 50kg dog in the direction you want him to go. I am going to get one for DH's dobie this week, she is a PITA to walk so I will let you know how she goes.

#5 FiveAus

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:58 PM

Try a front attaching harness. I use one on one of my Aussies as she's a puller.  It works, I snap the lead when she surges ahead and it pulls her slightly off balance, so she stops pulling. It takes the muscle out of their pulling, it's not so hard on your arms.
Or try a limited slip collar (martingale) and pull it high up around his throat, then hold the leash taught so it doesn't slip back down his neck. This is really uncomfortable for him and he won't pull, but it's difficult to keep up for long.

#6 Lou-bags

Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:45 AM

I second the front attaching harness. Seen them work fantastically.

And the other thing I would say is if you can, persist with training. My pup was a terrible puller, and it took months of frustrating training (where it felt like I was getting nowhere) and then one day it just clicked and now she walks on a loose leash beautifully. I carry treats in my pocket to get past irresistible distractions without pulling, but rarely need them. So worth the effort in the end.

#7 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:55 AM

There are head collars designed for Bulldogs. I think the Infin8 series is likely to work. Take your dog along to a decent pet store, and try a few on for size.

A martingale is an alternative to a check chain (they are not choker chains people).

I don't love harnesses, especially on dogs with low centres of gravity and a lot of strength across the chest - that would be a bulldog. Basically, because if it comes to a pulling competition, they will win every time.

#8 password123

Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:43 AM

Thanks for tne responses. I'll head out today and look into some of the suggestions. The harness we use attaches across the shoulder blades, and to be honest I mostly feel like I'm helping him build muscle!

Edited by Mrs_Snorks, 11 February 2013 - 07:44 AM.

#9 FiveAus

Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:01 AM

QUOTE (*Spikey* @ 11/02/2013, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are head collars designed for Bulldogs. I think the Infin8 series is likely to work. Take your dog along to a decent pet store, and try a few on for size.

A martingale is an alternative to a check chain (they are not choker chains people).

I don't love harnesses, especially on dogs with low centres of gravity and a lot of strength across the chest - that would be a bulldog. Basically, because if it comes to a pulling competition, they will win every time.

Have you had any experience with a front attaching harness though? They are a whole different item to a traditional harness and work beautifully to stop pulling, whereas a traditional rear attaching harness encourages them to pull into it.
My first Aussie was a world champion puller, I tried everything including months and months of consistent reward based training. Only two things worked (that he didn't absolutely hate). One was a front attaching harness, the other was a Sporn harness which had straps that tightened under his front legs when he surged forward. It worked but if he could ignore those straps being tightened, he would still pull.
He absolutely hated head halters and many a time I had to drag him off the middle of the road when he decided it was the best place to stop and paw at his nose. In the end, it was too cruel to continue with one because he'd scrape his nose raw on the road trying to get it off.

#10 password123

Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:11 AM

I will get a front attaching one first to try I think because he hates having his face fiddled with so I suspect he will spend most of his time pawing at his face.

#11 password123

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:01 AM

Update - I ended up getting a sporn mesh harness (designed for medium to heavy pullers) and so far it's like I have a new dog to walk. I hope he doesn't get used to it!

#12 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:31 PM

Yes, 5Aus, I have had a couple of clients use them - it didn't stop their determined dog at all. The dog wasn't at all worried about the leash across his chest, and pulled his owner over. Luckily the dog didn't go far.

It works if the dog was simply out of position, rather than a dog that wasn't particular interested in its owner, but then the dog was never really a problem heeler in the first place, just chronically out of position.

#13 Copper and May

Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:45 PM

You could also try walking with your dog next to your leg and the dog is on a lead. As soon as the dog starts to get out in front, you are waving a small stick side to side all the time and the dog gets a hit on the nose if he encounters the stick. This way he will learn NOT to go out in front. Border collies learn very early, but some dogs take longer, depending on their intelligence.

#14 wca

Posted 16 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

I'm also another fan of the front attatchment harness, at work we reccommend the "Easy Walk Harness" and our dog behaviourlist swears by them biggrin.gif

#15 FiveAus

Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

I found another solution last night. I've been walking my pulling girl each evening as I'm trying to get fit and lose some weight and she likes to come too (we normally exercise the dogs on our property).
The first lead I grabbed as I walked to the door was a slip lead.......you don't use a separate collar, the end of the lead has a ring and the lead loops through the ring similar to a check chain.....and a sliding leather tab stops the loop from getting too big and their head slipping out. I would normally leave it fairly loose, I use it for herding training and trials as it's easy to get it on and off the dog as we enter and leave the arena.

However, seeing as I had it in my hand, I used it for Dusty and I placed it high around her throat and pushed the leather tab down so it stayed in place. Viola! No pulling. As long as the lead was loose she was comfortable, as soon as it tightened, she was uncomfortable as it strained on her throat so we had a pleasant loose-lead walk.

#16 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:02 PM

FiveAus, would that be any different to a standard check chain really? I'm investigating options for my over-excited pup as she's got a rash on her face ATM and can't use the halti.

#17 FiveAus

Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE (~Karla~ @ 16/02/2013, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FiveAus, would that be any different to a standard check chain really? I'm investigating options for my over-excited pup as she's got a rash on her face ATM and can't use the halti.

Yes, very different. The lead I use is soft rope, so there's no metal to pull at her fur. It's very gentle, and there's no need for me to "snap" the lead when she surges ahead, the rope tightening on her throat causes her to back off. Although it's aversive, it's quite gentle and it's coming from her behaviour, not mine (as in, I'm not saying or doing anything to make the rope tighter, she is).
Tonight I used the same lead and after the first few minutes she walked sedately by my side. There's a first time for everything! She usually leaves walking beside me until right at the end of the walk when she's tired.

#18 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 17 February 2013 - 07:42 AM

Thanks FiveAus! biggrin.gif I'm glad she's walking so nicely on it for you!

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