Jump to content

Halter collar or harness for Frenchie
he's a leash puller!


  • Please log in to reply
17 replies to this topic

#1 password123

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

My little French bulldog is pulling my arms out of their sockets.
He is 2 and a total beefcake. We have obedience trained etc etc but the pulling continues - bulldogs are the most stubborn creatures to walk the earth.
Anyway... does anyone have advice as to a suitable harness that might help? I currently use a rogz harness. In the past I have used /recommended "gentle leaders" with pullers, but with a frenchie there's kinda no nose to hook it on, so I'm sort of stumped! (No pun intended).



#2 MissingInAction

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:43 PM

The choker chain makes walking my kelpie puppy bearable... just.

There is a huge difference when he's wearing the choker to when he's not.  


#3 JRA

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:49 PM

I would never use a choker in today's day and age

We use/used a halti. It is brilliant



#4 unicorn

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:50 PM

I am a harness convert, I have an Amercian Bulldog and he is great to walk so that wasn't the issue. But gets a little boisterous around other dogs and due to breathing issues I have learnt that throat type devices like collars and choker chains are not good for them I bought a harness and I was really surprised at how easy it is to manoeuvre a 50kg dog in the direction you want him to go. I am going to get one for DH's dobie this week, she is a PITA to walk so I will let you know how she goes.

#5 FiveAus

Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:58 PM

Try a front attaching harness. I use one on one of my Aussies as she's a puller.  It works, I snap the lead when she surges ahead and it pulls her slightly off balance, so she stops pulling. It takes the muscle out of their pulling, it's not so hard on your arms.
Or try a limited slip collar (martingale) and pull it high up around his throat, then hold the leash taught so it doesn't slip back down his neck. This is really uncomfortable for him and he won't pull, but it's difficult to keep up for long.

#6 Lou-bags

Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:45 AM

I second the front attaching harness. Seen them work fantastically.

And the other thing I would say is if you can, persist with training. My pup was a terrible puller, and it took months of frustrating training (where it felt like I was getting nowhere) and then one day it just clicked and now she walks on a loose leash beautifully. I carry treats in my pocket to get past irresistible distractions without pulling, but rarely need them. So worth the effort in the end.

#7 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:55 AM

There are head collars designed for Bulldogs. I think the Infin8 series is likely to work. Take your dog along to a decent pet store, and try a few on for size.

A martingale is an alternative to a check chain (they are not choker chains people).

I don't love harnesses, especially on dogs with low centres of gravity and a lot of strength across the chest - that would be a bulldog. Basically, because if it comes to a pulling competition, they will win every time.

#8 password123

Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:43 AM

Thanks for tne responses. I'll head out today and look into some of the suggestions. The harness we use attaches across the shoulder blades, and to be honest I mostly feel like I'm helping him build muscle!

Edited by Mrs_Snorks, 11 February 2013 - 07:44 AM.


#9 FiveAus

Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:01 AM

QUOTE (*Spikey* @ 11/02/2013, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are head collars designed for Bulldogs. I think the Infin8 series is likely to work. Take your dog along to a decent pet store, and try a few on for size.

A martingale is an alternative to a check chain (they are not choker chains people).

I don't love harnesses, especially on dogs with low centres of gravity and a lot of strength across the chest - that would be a bulldog. Basically, because if it comes to a pulling competition, they will win every time.


Have you had any experience with a front attaching harness though? They are a whole different item to a traditional harness and work beautifully to stop pulling, whereas a traditional rear attaching harness encourages them to pull into it.
My first Aussie was a world champion puller, I tried everything including months and months of consistent reward based training. Only two things worked (that he didn't absolutely hate). One was a front attaching harness, the other was a Sporn harness which had straps that tightened under his front legs when he surged forward. It worked but if he could ignore those straps being tightened, he would still pull.
He absolutely hated head halters and many a time I had to drag him off the middle of the road when he decided it was the best place to stop and paw at his nose. In the end, it was too cruel to continue with one because he'd scrape his nose raw on the road trying to get it off.

#10 password123

Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:11 AM

I will get a front attaching one first to try I think because he hates having his face fiddled with so I suspect he will spend most of his time pawing at his face.

#11 password123

Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:01 AM

Update - I ended up getting a sporn mesh harness (designed for medium to heavy pullers) and so far it's like I have a new dog to walk. I hope he doesn't get used to it!

#12 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:31 PM

Yes, 5Aus, I have had a couple of clients use them - it didn't stop their determined dog at all. The dog wasn't at all worried about the leash across his chest, and pulled his owner over. Luckily the dog didn't go far.

It works if the dog was simply out of position, rather than a dog that wasn't particular interested in its owner, but then the dog was never really a problem heeler in the first place, just chronically out of position.

#13 CharliMarley

Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:45 PM

You could also try walking with your dog next to your leg and the dog is on a lead. As soon as the dog starts to get out in front, you are waving a small stick side to side all the time and the dog gets a hit on the nose if he encounters the stick. This way he will learn NOT to go out in front. Border collies learn very early, but some dogs take longer, depending on their intelligence.

#14 wca

Posted 16 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

I'm also another fan of the front attatchment harness, at work we reccommend the "Easy Walk Harness" and our dog behaviourlist swears by them biggrin.gif

#15 FiveAus

Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

I found another solution last night. I've been walking my pulling girl each evening as I'm trying to get fit and lose some weight and she likes to come too (we normally exercise the dogs on our property).
The first lead I grabbed as I walked to the door was a slip lead.......you don't use a separate collar, the end of the lead has a ring and the lead loops through the ring similar to a check chain.....and a sliding leather tab stops the loop from getting too big and their head slipping out. I would normally leave it fairly loose, I use it for herding training and trials as it's easy to get it on and off the dog as we enter and leave the arena.

However, seeing as I had it in my hand, I used it for Dusty and I placed it high around her throat and pushed the leather tab down so it stayed in place. Viola! No pulling. As long as the lead was loose she was comfortable, as soon as it tightened, she was uncomfortable as it strained on her throat so we had a pleasant loose-lead walk.

#16 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:02 PM

FiveAus, would that be any different to a standard check chain really? I'm investigating options for my over-excited pup as she's got a rash on her face ATM and can't use the halti.

#17 FiveAus

Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE (~Karla~ @ 16/02/2013, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FiveAus, would that be any different to a standard check chain really? I'm investigating options for my over-excited pup as she's got a rash on her face ATM and can't use the halti.



Yes, very different. The lead I use is soft rope, so there's no metal to pull at her fur. It's very gentle, and there's no need for me to "snap" the lead when she surges ahead, the rope tightening on her throat causes her to back off. Although it's aversive, it's quite gentle and it's coming from her behaviour, not mine (as in, I'm not saying or doing anything to make the rope tighter, she is).
Tonight I used the same lead and after the first few minutes she walked sedately by my side. There's a first time for everything! She usually leaves walking beside me until right at the end of the walk when she's tired.

#18 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 17 February 2013 - 07:42 AM

Thanks FiveAus! biggrin.gif I'm glad she's walking so nicely on it for you!




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

What you need to know about pregnancy and health insurance

It's not just waiting periods that couples need to consider - there are other factors to consider when thinking about health insurance.

Yummy mummy

Nicole Trunfio breastfeeds baby on Elle magazine cover

Australian model Nicole Trunfio has taken the concept of multitasking to a fashionable new level for Elle Australia.

Warnings after baby girl died while sleeping in bouncer

Parents have been warned about the dangers of letting babies sleep in bouncers and swings following the death of a three-month-old girl.

Coping with fatigue as a parent

Sleep deprivation is a real hazard of caring for a baby. But there are ways to manage the challenges of fatigue better.

A very 21st century issue: parents, parks and smart phones

It's not all the parents, and it's not all the time, but there is often at least one doing it. And sometimes, that 'one' is me.

Appliances

Faulty washing machines linked to house fires

More than 80,000 faulty Samsung washing machines pose a fire threat in homes throughout Australia despite a nationwide recall of the machines.

'I had a lotus birth and I loved it'

Lotus birthing is not all that common, but for a number of women it feels like the most natural thing to do.

7 things you might not know about postnatal depression

Despite its widespread nature, there is still a great amount of mystery surrounding PND - and it's important to try unravelling as much of that as we can.

Is your family's car part of the world's biggest safety recall?

More than 50 million vehicles recalled for potentially lethal airbag fault - is your car affected?

Why drinking water can be deadly for babies

H2O is one of the necessities of life, but for babies a seemingly harmless amount of water can be fatal.

Mother-in-law faceplants during proposal

He had it all planned: a romantic proposal on a windswept beach. The whole family would be there so they'd all be able to celebrate the joyous moment together.

A preschooler suddenly goes mute - and it's not just shyness

When our son stopped talking, our sense of loss was painful and acute.

The mums who ask for a 'wife bonus'

They run their homes like domestic CEOs and work tirelessly to improve their family's social standing. And now, according to a new book, they want an annual perk from their husbands.

Woman shares photo of dimple on breast to warn others of cancer risk

A widely-shared Facebook photograph of a British woman's breast has raised awareness of a more subtle breast cancer symptom.

Starting a family despite a low sperm count

"I'd never really failed a test - how could I fail this particularly manly test?"

It's official: we must better protect our kids from toxic lead exposure

New guidelines have been released, aimed at reducing children's harmful exposure to lead. But they still don't go far enough.

Trouble-shooting toddler social skills

Chances are your toddler's behaviour is all completely normal - but here's how to tackle some common social problems.

Helping your first-born welcome a sibling

We did sigh with joy at the arrival of a royal princess - but, mostly, we sighed with pity at the sight of Prince George being taken to meet her.

Farewell, daytime nap

I've been in denial and I'm not too proud to beg, but it appears I must accept the fact that you have gone. I need to let you go.

The identical triplets who are one in 50 million

The father of identical triplets born in a Texas hospital says his three daughters, including conjoined twins, are "a miracle" sent by God.

Seven questions you should be asking about your health cover

If the last time you assessed your health cover was five years ago, there?s a chance it may no longer suit your needs. To ensure it?s still right for your family, click here for seven questions to ask.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

How to use gas effectively in labour

Many women in labour don't use gas effectively and suffer more side effects than benefits. Here's how to get the most out of this pain relief option.

'He has gastro but that's okay, right?': sick kid etiquette

We cannot place all children who are sick in a bubble till they recover, but we can give other parents a choice about exposing their kids to them.

Ada Nicodemou: 'I can never be completely happy again'

Home and Away actress Ada Nicodemou has opened up about the loss of her stillborn baby.

10 things to consider when you're thinking about trying for a baby

Before you start tracking your menstrual cycle and reading up on the best positions to get pregnant, there are a few other things you may want to consider.

How special surgery and IVF can create a post-vasectomy baby

Cricket legend Glenn McGrath and his second wife Sara are expecting their first child together, thanks to IVF and a delicate surgical sperm retrieval process that helped the couple to conceive.

Belle Gibson's mother 'disgusted and embarrassed'

The mother of disgraced wellness blogger Belle Gibson has accused her daughter of lying about her childhood in an attempt to garner public sympathy.

Doctor's mobile phone 'left inside c-section mum'

A new mum claims a doctor left his mobile phone inside her after delivering her baby via caesarean section.

I'm a mum and I'm following my dreams

I want my kids to know that no matter what happens in life, you can still be who it is that you've always wanted to be.

Those first daycare days

I had this innate 'mum' moment the other day.

'If one person had listened, my life would have been so different'

Katherine's father will die in prison for the horrifying sexual abuse of his daughter. Yet she is the one with the true life sentence.

This new plan undermines breastfeeding and baby health at everyone's expense

Mothers, babies, the health system and the wider society are going to pay the price of this new budget.

Couple to celebrate terminally ill baby's birthday in unique way

Baby Jai Bishop has lived at Starship Hospital for the past seven months, with his parents flying back and forth from Hokitika, 1100km away, to be by his side.

Life On Mars

It's men who need 'retraining', not women

We are all responsible for our own behaviour. Telling victims to harden up is wrong.

Baby Gammy's dad tries to claim charity money

The biological father of baby Gammy has reportedly tried to access charity money raised for the little boy's medical costs.

Where are the childcare places?

It?s all very well to encourage women to work if they choose to, but how can the measures lead to increased workforce participation when women are once again left holding the baby?

The pain of not having babies and not knowing why

After seven years of wishing, hoping, crying, punching pillows and shouting "why me?!", the end result is more than I ever thought possible.

Getting your family finances in order

Whether you're after a new car for a growing family, a bigger house, or are just fixing up your finances, here are the basics on borrowing.

Mum shares graphic selfie to warn against tanning

A mum has shared a graphic photo of her skin cancer treatment as a warning to others.

Does parenthood make us happier?

We can certainly gain higher levels of happiness when we become parents, but the trick is to not get overwhelmed by the pressures of raising our kids.

No, having a dog is not like having a human child

It's obvious these people dote on their pets, but they're barking up the wrong tree.

 

Top baby names

Baby Names

The numbers are in and we can now bring you the 2014 top baby name list for Australia.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.