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Where does charity start?


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#1 Dr Dolly

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:27 PM

Saw this  today on news.com.au
http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/backpac...0-1226574451553
Still gathering my thoughts. Where charity start?

#2 dogma

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:30 PM

The backpackers are freeloaders. Charity is for those who need it.

#3 SnazzyFeral

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:44 PM

It depends what they mean by backpacker because lots of people who live in hostels are homeless, they can just afford to rent a bed by the night. If it was tourists then they are bastards and I hope karma finds them.

Edited by SnazzySass, 10 February 2013 - 05:44 PM.


#4 Chocolate Addict

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:45 PM

That is so wrong. Back packers are saving money/poor by choice, most (probably all) homeless people are not homeless/poor by choice.

Poor form on the back packers part.

#5 Also sprach

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:51 PM

Freeloading.  Absolutely.

#6 Soontobegran

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:52 PM

Not cool at all.
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#7 ImpatientAnna

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:53 PM

QUOTE (SnazzySass @ 10/02/2013, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It depends what they mean by backpacker because lots of people who live in hostels are homeless, they can just afford to rent a bed by the night. If it was tourists then they are bastards and I hope karma finds them.


This x 100

#8 Excentrique Feral

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:56 PM

Who's to say the backpackers didn't have enough money to feed themselves though? Should they sleep in the open in order to feed themselves or is it ok to spend what money they have on a bed then get a free dinner?

I'm not in their shoes so I won't judge.

#9 -*meh*-

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:57 PM

QUOTE (SnazzySass @ 10/02/2013, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It depends what they mean by backpacker because lots of people who live in hostels are homeless, they can just afford to rent a bed by the night. If it was tourists then they are bastards and I hope karma finds them.


this was my thought as well... i really hope the people being judged were back packers and not someone who just scraped together enough money to spend at least one night off the streets.

i wondered if the backpacker locations could have signs up saying that those are charity vans only and not for people from their location to use, or if that would just bring more attention that there is free food there....

#10 elmo_mum

Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:59 PM

they went to a backpackers hotel...
its for backpackers

you need to be a member of yha - most homeless would not be able to afford the membership per year..


so yea, this is disgusting and horrific!!

they are choosing to go for the "frugal" lifestyle....the charity should not have to subsidise their choice!

#11 9ferals

Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:07 PM

Backpackers hostels aren't necessarily YHA, some are just dirt cheap accommodation options, so some people might genuinely be down on their luck and need a free feed.
But, it sounds like the people in this story were more likely to be young travellers congratulating themselves on getting a free meal - and thats not on.

#12 Dr Dolly

Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:09 PM

If you saw this - 'a free loading backer' eating food for the homeless... Would you do, or say anything?

#13 Illiterati

Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:16 PM

Domestic and overseas tourists staying at backpackers hostels = wrong

But there are many people who are of no fixed address, cannot even afford boarding houses who move from backpack hostel to hostel = Fine

I think the charities and the news story was about tr former.


#14 Ferelsmegz

Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:17 PM

Freeloading.


Backpacking is a choice



#15 Ferelsmegz

Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:17 PM

Freeloading.


Backpacking is a choice



#16 Illiterati

Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE (Mrs Optimus @ 10/02/2013, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Freeloading.


Backpacking is a choice


Agsin, what sort of backpacking? Some people are itinerant. Cannot manage to get enough together for a permanent home. And use backpacking hostels. Is that a choice?






#17 Feral_Pooks

Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:49 PM

It would depend on whether they were having a holiday or were in dire straights. If I knew for sure they were holidayers I'd lose my sh*t at them. If they are holidayers and hit a rough patch then they need to go home.

#18 BetteBoop

Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:50 PM

Newslimited drumming up xenophobic sentiment again, without an iota of proof? Sounds about right.

#19 Spa Gonk

Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:50 PM

I used to volunteer for a food van prior to having kids.  The organisation running it was clear that we serve food to whoever turned up.  It was it just about feeding the homeless, but also being a place where people could talk to each other, ease loneliness ad have something to look forward to.  We used to stop near the hospital and would occasionally get people there visiting relatives later coming to get food as it was quick and nearby.  We used to also get people from on the wards ( generally psych ward in terms of mobility) that would come for a cuppa for a different scene, and hopefully they would use our service in the future if need to.

If you start putting heaps of conditions around who is and is not deserving of charity, it is going to end badly.  I can just see people needing to show proof of Australian citizenship before they are allowed a cup of coffee.

#20 Magnus

Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:03 PM

I'm undecided about this one.

I know that lots of places (companies and restaurants) that donate food to NGOs often do so because they have excess stock, so in some cases the food would go to waste anyway.

I also wonder if the backpackers just assumed it was free food due to language issues or not seeing much signage. There was a free sausage sizzle van set up where I was in Newcastle last night and that seemed to cater to drunk people rather than people experiencing homelessness. They could have thought it was something like that.

Also, I think a lot of those organisations target those who are not necessarily homeless but experiencing financial difficulty (such as boarding house residents, or drug users, for example).

On the other hand, if they come from a youth hostel, those are quite expensive. I thought about staying for one for a few weeks when I moved interstate years ago and there was no way I could afford it as a student. Most hostels are much more expensive than a sharehouse.

So I don't blame them if they made financial mistakes (as many travellers do) and ended up hungry. I do think they should go elsewhere if they're going on expensive tours and scuba diving or rockclimbing trips and then using the food van to feed themselves at night.

#21 namie

Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

If they were genuine backpackers (i.e. the holidaying ones, travelling around Australia to sightsee) then I think they're totally in the wrong.
I traveled cheaply many years ago but it wouldn't have occurred to me to go to a charity food place for a  free feed.

But I don't know how you'd police it, short of the hostels having signs up advising that the places are not for travellers but for the legitimately homeless.

#22 Funwith3

Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:08 PM

European backpackers....that says to me that they're travelling in Australia from Europe. Ie... Not Australian residents. Not homeless, because they've paid for their flights over here and have decided to travel our country on the cheap by staying in hostels. So they are not entitled to food for the homeless.  mad.gif

#23 LambChop

Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

QUOTE
If you start putting heaps of conditions around who is and is not deserving of charity, it is going to end badly. I can just see people needing to show proof of Australian citizenship before they are allowed a cup of coffee.


Agree.  There is no room for judgey mcjudgey, you open your heart and feed whoever asks, there is NO ROOM for pursed lips with this kind of service.  You have no idea about what is going on in peoples lives.  

Charity is unconditional, it is not my place to second hand media beat up comment on peoples supposed "charity worthiness".

#24 Guest_LeChatNinjah_*

Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

Just anecdotally I do know of one young girl (about 16) who was chucked out of home and stayed short term in the cheapest backpackers she could find rather than be on the street.  She had a few meals from soup kitchens during that time.

In that situation I don't think it's wrong, but it's definitely freeloading when it's people on holiday.  Unless there's enough food.  I mean, if the soup kitchen is throwing out soup at the end of the shift and someone is happy to eat it, then I don't really think it matters what that person's situation is, but if holiday-makers are eating it at the expense of those in genuine strife then it's not on at all.



#25 luke's mummu

Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:24 PM

When I was backpacking in the UK there was an Australian guy charged with killing a duck in a local park (in London) and cooking it. He claimed he had just run out of money and needed something to eat. Sure it shouldn't have happened, he should have budgeted his trip better or got a job there (as I did? but I guess we all make mistakes.




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