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#1 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:56 PM

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/anyone-who-says-...0208-2e2fe.html

So racism is alive and well. We all know that, we know that it sometimes seems exacerbated here but by no means only occurs here. My question is why is nobody ever charged and convicted with inciting racial hatred?

From the article outlining the abuse of a french women on a Melbourne bus last year
QUOTE
In 2010, three men were the first in Victoria charged with inciting racial hatred, accused of verbally and physically assaulting an Indian man on a bus between Frankston and Rye. All three had charges against them dropped last year.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/racist-r...l#ixzz2KHBfcvD0


We also know that the 3 racists on the bus at the time were identified, taken in for questioning and released without charges. Why?
I'm pretty sure there are laws against anti social behaviour so obviously I'm missing something here in a big way.


#2 Frockme

Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:08 PM

It's astounding that this still happens.

The woman sounds like a piece of work. And how dare the driver make him get off! If I was on that bus I would have let rip at the driver. I would have been fuming on this poor mans behalf. This sort of stuff makes me so angry I could vomit, would have been good to vomit on both of them, driver and woman.

What a shame that no one stood up to her for him.  unsure.gif

Driver ought to be sacked on the spot. If he can't act like a human being he doesn't deserve a job.  rant.gif

Don't buses have video cameras I would love for this woman's pic to go international!

If identified can she be charged? What with?

#3 CallMeFeral

Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:40 PM

I don't think the bus driver turfed him out, just blamed him for it. Still inappropriate.

My SIL recently got racially abused at Questacon. The bizarre offending lady SAT ON my niece!  blink.gif
When her mother (my SIL) suggested she find somewhere else to sit other than on a 9yo child, the lady started up about going back where she came from, and then pretended she couldn't understand her and told her to learn the language etc etc. Which is ironic as she speaks perfect English with a slight Pretorian twang... and is a teacher  rolleyes.gif

BIL did manage to take a picture of the racist in question and was having fantasies of having posting it on the internet. Unfortunately he didn't actually manage to act fast enough to film the abuse, so I don't think it would have captured much of a youtube audience! Tounge1.gif

#4 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:39 PM

CMP, I'm sorry for your SIL's experience. It really p*sses me off. In many places this behaviour would be a very serious offence. In sporting communities it wouldn't be tolerated, but with everyday people it just slips by and I really want to know why. I also want to know why no bystanders ever stick up for the victims. Are they in silent agreement or just cowards?! Sorry, I'm just over the whole thing. Everyone's reporting on it but nobody is frakkin' doing anything about it.



#5 CocobeanLillylove

Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:01 PM

I can't understand why he was asked to leave the bus or why the lady wanted that particular seat?

It's just a disgrace that people have to put up with this crap.

#6 FeralBee

Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:02 PM

This makes me so angry! The bus driver should have asked the racist pig to get off the bus, she was abusing a fellow passenger and should have been removed. Telling the victim to move is not a solution!

As for the other passengers, I understand how people can be afraid when someone is being so vile and abusive and not want to bring their vitriol on themselves, but I don't think I could remain quiet. Racism is abbhorrent, I'd never forgive myself for staying quiet.

#7 RealityBites

Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:13 PM

I witnessed something awful a couple of months ago on our local free bus service. A man (apparently just out of jail, according to the bus driver) started screaming and swearing racial abuse at an Indian-looking man, I am guessing probably an international student as his English wasn't too good (university town) and NOBODY said anything. I let rip at the bus driver and sent numerous letters of complaints. I think the bus driver should have pulled over and called the police, but he said there was no 'policy'.
It made me wish I was a big boofy bloke who could have just taken a swing at the man.

#8 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

In all the clips I've seen the closest to making a stand was a whole group of men "standing up" to a drunk woman. Seriously that's it. Too paraphrase some American dude - all that is needed for evil to succeed is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
Where is our EB law experts? Why do people routinely get questioned and then released with no charges or get charged only to have the charged dropped? Is it just too much time, effort and money to pursue? We would only need a handful of convictions, jail terms and / or hefty fines to start turning this around. We only need the other 20 people on the bus to assist the abuser off to serve as a deterrent.

#9 Silver Girl

Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:48 PM

How awful, in this day and age, especially with children witnessing the whole thing.  sad.gif

#10 la di dah

Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:21 PM

My mom (older, bespectacled, chubby) gets more abuse than I do, and my brother less than I. I do write it off to people weighing their chances.  

It's really sad and disgusting that I'm most surprised a racist woman went after someone male and fit - they usually seem to pick people who can't fight back or they think will be intimidated. Or at least the violent ones do - I guess I have been cussed out by people no more physically intimidating than me.

Or maybe it was he had his kid with him, so she didn't have to worry about getting knocked the hell out. sad.gif

#11 EsmeLennox

Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:42 AM

I wish I could be shocked that this is happening in the present time. Sadly I am not shocked at all. There is a long way to go before racism is stamped out.

#12 43 other ferals

Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:45 AM

I suspect the reason people sometimes get away with such appalling behaviour is that there aren't specific laws to prohibit it.  I seem to recall that anti discrimination laws tended to apply only to the provision of a good or service, or membership to an organisation, etc.  In SA racial vilification laws were introduced back at a time when National Action were hate mongering against Asian immigration, although such laws likely don't exist everywhere and do not apply to every situation.

#13 Chelli

Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:58 AM

I'm sad that his daughter witnessed that happening to her dad  sad.gif. Imagine how scary that would've been for her.

#14 Froger

Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:06 AM

I'm not surprised. Unfortunately is very common.

QUOTE (ForsakenTruth @ 08/02/2013, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We only need the other 20 people on the bus to assist the abuser off to serve as a deterrent.


Probably those other 20 people would be the ones charged with assault or something.

#15 Hands Up

Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (ForsakenTruth @ 08/02/2013, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In all the clips I've seen the closest to making a stand was a whole group of men "standing up" to a drunk woman. Seriously that's it. Too paraphrase some American dude - all that is needed for evil to succeed is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
Where is our EB law experts? Why do people routinely get questioned and then released with no charges or get charged only to have the charged dropped? Is it just too much time, effort and money to pursue? We would only need a handful of convictions, jail terms and / or hefty fines to start turning this around. We only need the other 20 people on the bus to assist the abuser off to serve as a deterrent.


That is so true. I understand that if some big guy is doing something wrong people are scared to speak up as they may be physically hurt but in that situation the fact that only two people spoke up amazes me. I also don't understand how people get released without charge, charges and penalties are the only thing that stop this kind of behaviour.

#16 BetteBoop

Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:24 AM

TBH, if I saw an aggro person screaming wildly at someone on the bus I doubt I'd intervene.

Would others?

QUOTE (RealityBites @ 08/02/2013, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I witnessed something awful a couple of months ago on our local free bus service. A man (apparently just out of jail, according to the bus driver) started screaming and swearing racial abuse at an Indian-looking man, I am guessing probably an international student as his English wasn't too good (university town) and NOBODY said anything. I let rip at the bus driver and sent numerous letters of complaints. I think the bus driver should have pulled over and called the police, but he said there was no 'policy'.
It made me wish I was a big boofy bloke who could have just taken a swing at the man.


Why was it the bus driver's responsibility? He has no authorisation to police racism.

It was as much your responsibility as it was his.

#17 Froger

Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:30 AM

QUOTE (Beetlebop @ 09/02/2013, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why was it the bus driver's responsibility? He has no authorisation to police racism.

It was as much your responsibility as it was his.


I would think bus drivers have some sort of authority when it comes to keeping order on their bus??

#18 BetteBoop

Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:36 AM

QUOTE (SarahM72 @ 09/02/2013, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would think bus drivers have some sort of authority when it comes to keeping order on their bus??


Generally, no. Bus drivers don't have authorisation by law to do anything to problem passengers. They risk assault charges if they touch a passenger. They can't even stop and tell a school kid to get off the bus without facing disciplinary action.

Transport officials - you know, the people who get on the bus to check tickets - have some powers in some states.

#19 HGL

Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:43 AM

QUOTE (Beetlebop @ 09/02/2013, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why was it the bus driver's responsibility? He has no authorisation to police racism.

It was as much your responsibility as it was his.


Because it's not just racism, it's verbal abuse. She was swearing so regardless of the racist comments she was making, she should have been kicked off. In the same way that the bus driver has the right to kick off a passenger physically assaulting others, he should have kicked this woman off. It's not Lord of the Flies.

It's a pity he's not taking it further. She also called him a paedophile which would also give him grounds to take her to civil court for defamation.



#20 HGL

Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:45 AM

QUOTE (Beetlebop @ 09/02/2013, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Generally, no. Bus drivers don't have authorisation by law to do anything to problem passengers. They risk assault charges if they touch a passenger. They can't even stop and tell a school kid to get off the bus without facing disciplinary action.

Transport officials - you know, the people who get on the bus to check tickets - have some powers in some states.


I'd don't believe that's correct. I've been on buses before where some passengers were sniffing aerosol cans and the bus driver stopped the bus and refused to carry on until the culprits got off. And these weren't kids but people 40yo+.

#21 RealityBites

Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:49 AM

QUOTE (Beetlebop @ 09/02/2013, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TBH, if I saw an aggro person screaming wildly at someone on the bus I doubt I'd intervene.

Would others?



Why was it the bus driver's responsibility? He has no authorisation to police racism.

It was as much your responsibility as it was his.


Because I'm female and pregnant and the guy was obviously psycho. The bus driver told us later that he had recently come out of jail and wanted to go back in again. Like I said, if I'd been my brother, a big boofy guy, I'd have punched him out. (Yes, I am also a Jack Reacher fan).
I was very upset that nobody did or said anything, and I understand the scare factor obviously. But I am a university teacher and at the end of the day, I would feel responsible if something like this happened in my classroom. SOMEBODY has to do something. I think that the bus driver should have pulled over, called the police and asked the man to leave the bus. I wasn't in control of the bus. He just kept driving, we were all trapped on the bus with this psycho. And for there to be no policy on the bus company's part (which is contracted by our state government) was fairly unbelievable.
It felt a bit Nazi-era and was very upsetting.
ETA It wasn't just 'racism', in which case I definitely would have said something; the guy was punching the poles in the bus etc.

Edited by RealityBites, 09 February 2013 - 01:49 PM.


#22 elizabethany

Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:41 PM

As far as I know, the reasons why people don't get charged is because legally, they did nothing wrong.  Being a racist knob to someone is not illegal.  The closest relevant charge is inciting hatred, which requires them to actively try (and succeed) to convince others to act in a violent and racist way.

#23 Le-a

Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:45 PM

QUOTE (Madame Protart @ 09/02/2013, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The bus driver would have radio control with his office so it is his responsibility to do something.  He's the one in the best position to do something.  He could radio in and get the police to meet them somewhere along the route.


Yes, this. The driver should have called the cops. That woman sounds like a total nutjob.

I wonder if it would be worthwhile calling he police if you were a passenger on this bus. Would the police meet the bus or something?

#24 Lifesgood

Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE (Madame Protart @ 09/02/2013, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The bus driver would have radio control with his office so it is his responsibility to do something.  He's the one in the best position to do something.  He could radio in and get the police to meet them somewhere along the route.

He could/should have done this. Instead he had a go at Jeremy Fernandez as well.

Fernandez is right. Racism is alive and well, and it disgusts me.

#25 FeralFP

Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:53 PM

Stories like this make me sick. That poor little girl having to see her dad abused like that. Got teary reading him compare it to Rosie Parks. How can we still have people getting away with this sort of thing in 2013?

And as for that previous case with the French girl. Why is that investigation "still continuing"? They know who the people are, they have footage of the offence. Why have they not been charged?!

Disgusting.

Edited by JBaby, 09 February 2013 - 05:54 PM.





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