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#1 jill1972

Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:59 AM

I'm not a smoker & my DH used to be a heavy smoker about 15 years ago & stopped  because of how dangerous they are.  My DH brought home yesterday one of those new e cigs & he's like a kid in a candy store.  He thinks they're wonderful & perfectly safe, but not something he would do in front of our kids.  He's one of these people that would smoke if it was safe & he thinks this is it.  

I'm a bit of a skeptic.  Just wondering what the thoughts are on these things safety wise.  I think one of the really bad things about them is the confusing message they could convey, but if it could get people off the 'real' cigs that would have to be a good thing.........if they're safe that  is.


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#2 JRA

Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:09 PM

I thought they released nicotine

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/...ve-for-smokers/

This is worth a read, I don't know if Forbes have credibility on something like this, given their sample size.

But I certainly wouldn't be using them, they are a chemical cocktail including nicotine

Edited by JRA, 08 February 2013 - 12:10 PM.


#3 jill1972

Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:12 PM

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to type the brand on here JRA, but these don't contain nicotine.



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#4 MrsLexiK

Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

If I was still a smoker I would most probaly use these to try and quit I know for most smokers it is not just the taste but it is the habbit of actually smoking.  I know that quit has one which is a help to quit add smoking thing but it is not as thin as a smoke (or wasn't 7 years ago)

#5 Whatsername

Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:22 PM

I know someone who sells these. I would recommend it for anyone trying to quit.
NO tobacco in Ecigs
NO carbon monoxide in Ecigs
NO tar in Ecigs


#6 jill1972

Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:28 PM

QUOTE (saram8479 @ 08/02/2013, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know someone who sells these. I would recommend it for anyone trying to quit.
NO tobacco in Ecigs
NO carbon monoxide in Ecigs
NO tar in Ecigs



It's amazing isn't it, my hubby said they're just as satisfying to smoke as the real deal.  This brand doesn't contain the nasty chemicals that were in the ones first introduced in the USA in 2007.  



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#7 Iliketoflounce

Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:37 PM

All they are is vegetable oil I loved mine

#8 saxa

Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:29 PM

Why would he start using one if he quit 15 years ago?

My DH used one to quit smoking.

Think it is an odd thing to just take up again if you havent smoked for so long.

#9 Bluenomi

Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

They aren't legal in Australia because the TGA doesn't consider them safe enough or a medical device like the distrubitors try to claim they are

#10 MarsBarSlice

Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

I used to be a smoker and smoked for very long time.  I haven't had a cigarette since April 2006.  It took many years and many attempts to give up.  It's still tempting to have one, for a lot of people like me, the urge never leaves.  I totally understand your husband trying them, I've thought about it myself.

#11 jill1972

Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:11 PM

QUOTE (saxa @ 08/02/2013, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why would he start using one if he quit 15 years ago?

My DH used one to quit smoking.

Think it is an odd thing to just take up again if you havent smoked for so long.



My DH would have one at times if he got offered one from a friend etc.  It's an addiction, while he knew it wasn't good for him it never stopped him wanting them.

Bluenomi, they are legal in Australia because they don't contain nicotine.


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#12 RainyDays

Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:46 PM

I had a bit of a rant about them a few months ago (or more specifically, middle-of-the-aisle sales people approaching people about them at my local shopping centre), and EB implied I was an idiot.



#13 saxa

Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:49 PM

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My DH would have one at times if he got offered one from a friend etc. It's an addiction


Ok so he had not actually quit smoking all together 15 years ago he still has them now and then.

I was thinking it was strange if he had not had 1 smoke in 15 years why take it up again with ecigs.

#14 jill1972

Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:54 PM

QUOTE (saxa @ 08/02/2013, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok so he had not actually quit smoking all together 15 years ago he still has them now and then.

I was thinking it was strange if he had not had 1 smoke in 15 years why take it up again with ecigs.



To put things into perspective a bit, my Mum & Dad haven't smoked for around 40 years & they still crave them.  So maybe not so strange.  But perhaps strange for those who don't smoke.


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#15 saxa

Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:14 PM

But do your parents still crave them enough to go and get an ecig?

I think ecigs are great if you really want to try to quit smoking as I said its how my DH quit, I would worry that taking up again after 15 years using ecigs may then lead to smoking again.

Just my opinion.

#16 kpingitquiet

Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:32 PM

(Semi tangent but can someone PM me what brand they/their partner used while quitting? This is exactly what I need.)

#17 LookMumNoHands

Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE (saxa @ 08/02/2013, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But do your parents still crave them enough to go and get an ecig?

I think ecigs are great if you really want to try to quit smoking as I said its how my DH quit, I would worry that taking up again after 15 years using ecigs may then lead to smoking again.

Just my opinion.


Maybe the ecigs are perfect for the OP's DH, because he will finally be able to get rid of the thoughts of wanting a smoke he's been having for 15 years?

I think about a smoke every. single. day. It has never got any easier for me.

Some people find it's a piece of cake.... Quit? Sure, no probs. Others have to suffer being a smoker who no longer smokes for the rest of their lives.

#18 jill1972

Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:54 PM

QUOTE (saxa @ 08/02/2013, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But do your parents still crave them enough to go and get an ecig?

I think ecigs are great if you really want to try to quit smoking as I said its how my DH quit, I would worry that taking up again after 15 years using ecigs may then lead to smoking again.

Just my opinion.



Saxa, to be honest, my Mum & Dad don't know these things exist & I wouldn't want to mess with their minds!




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#19 jill1972

Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

QUOTE (kpingitquiet @ 08/02/2013, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(Semi tangent but can someone PM me what brand they/their partner used while quitting? This is exactly what I need.)



Pm'd you, let me know if it didn't work.


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#20 **Xena**

Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:00 PM

I really wish they would do proper testing on them and release them properly. At  the moment none are declared safe and as such some can be dodgy. I think it would be worth testing them properly though as I think they could be an excellent tool for quitting as some of the addiction comes from the hand/mouth and social addiction.

#21 JRA

Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE (**Xena** @ 08/02/2013, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really wish they would do proper testing on them and release them properly. At  the moment none are declared safe and as such some can be dodgy. I think it would be worth testing them properly though as I think they could be an excellent tool for quitting as some of the addiction comes from the hand/mouth and social addiction.

???

Your kidding, that is shocking.

#22 **Xena**

Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (JRA @ 08/02/2013, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
???

Your kidding, that is shocking.


Unfortunately not. It's sad because it would really be worth their while testing them so that people could buy safe products and the industry could be regulated. They would be a great quitting tool if deemed safe.

This is just off wiki but covers a lot of stuff I have read. I wanted to try them but am nervous to until proper testing is done:
QUOTE
World Health Organization

The World Health Organization stated in September 2008 that no rigorous, peer-reviewed studies have been conducted showing that the electronic cigarette is a safe and effective nicotine replacement therapy. WHO does not discount the possibility that the electronic cigarette could be useful as a smoking cessation aid, but insisted that claims that electronic cigarettes can help smokers quit need to be backed up by clinical studies and toxicity analyses and operate within the proper regulatory framework.[22]
Food and Drug Administration

In May 2009, the US Food and Drug Administration (USFDA) Division of Pharmaceutical Analysis tested 19 varieties of electronic cigarette cartridges produced by two vendors NJoy and Smoking Everywhere.[23] Diethylene glycol, a poisonous and hygroscopic liquid, was detected in one of the cartridges manufactured by Smoking Everywhere .[23] Tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs), known cancer-causing agents, were detected in all of the cartridges from one brand and two of the cartridges from the other brand. Nicotine can also be traced in some claimed nicotine-free cartridges.[23] Further concerns were raised over inconsistent amounts of nicotine delivered when drawing on the device.[24] In some e-cigarettes, "Tobacco-specific impurities suspected of being harmful to humans—anabasine, myosmine, and β-nicotyrine—were detected in a majority of the samples tested." None of these chemicals, however, was detectable in exhaled vapor. [25][26]

In July 2009, the FDA publicly discouraged the use of electronic cigarettes and raised concerns that electronic cigarettes may be marketed to young people and lack appropriate health warnings.[27]

The Electronic Cigarette Association criticized the FDA testing as too "narrow to reach any valid and reliable conclusions."[23] Exponent, Inc., commissioned by NJOY to review the FDA's study in July 2009, objected to the FDA analysis of electronic cigarettes lacking comparisons to other FDA-approved nicotine replacement therapy products where similar levels of TSNA were detected. Exponent concluded that the FDA's study did not support the claims of potential adverse health effects from the use of electronic cigarettes.[28][29][30]

Furthermore, FDA methods "have been lambasted in journals" by some medical and health research experts who noted that potentially harmful chemicals were measured at "about one million times lower concentrations than are conceivably related to human health."[31]
American Association of Public Health Physicians


#23 LookMumNoHands

Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:14 PM

QUOTE (**Xena** @ 08/02/2013, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really wish they would do proper testing on them and release them properly. At  the moment none are declared safe and as such some can be dodgy. I think it would be worth testing them properly though as I think they could be an excellent tool for quitting as some of the addiction comes from the hand/mouth and social addiction.


Surely they can't be any worse than the real thing, though... Everyone knows all the sh*t they put in cigarettes. If they were so bad, you wouldn't see them for sale here, they'd be banned wouldn't they?

ETA - just read that quote, Xena. It's interesting but still won't put me off getting some for DH to try. Nothing there indicates that they're worse than cigarettes themselves.

And I'm sure with proper use, the ecigs would only be a short term thing anyway. Once the nicotine withdrawal was gone, you can then wean off the ecigs and be all healthy like!

Edited by LookMumNoHands, 08 February 2013 - 07:20 PM.


#24 **Xena**

Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

QUOTE (LookMumNoHands @ 08/02/2013, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Surely they can't be any worse than the real thing, though... Everyone knows all the sh*t they put in cigarettes. If they were so bad, you wouldn't see them for sale here, they'd be banned wouldn't they?


The ones for sale here have no nicotine which is good but they still haven't been properly tested. Where it becomes worse is there is nothing stopping people from buying them off the net from overseas and some of them are dodgy. I'd say you are probably fairly safe buying within Australia but there is no real research to back that up.

The other issue is that kids can buy them online.

Edited by **Xena**, 08 February 2013 - 07:22 PM.


#25 JRA

Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (LookMumNoHands @ 08/02/2013, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Surely they can't be any worse than the real thing, though... Everyone knows all the sh*t they put in cigarettes. If they were so bad, you wouldn't see them for sale here, they'd be banned wouldn't they?



But in the OPs case, her husband is not smoking "the real thing" he has given up.

I am also pretty shocked they can be sold here, and not tested.





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