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#1 Henrysmummy

Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

Hi all
My my name is Kristie, I have a 4 month old son Henry.  I'm just after some advice.Mr Henry has been cheeky lately and refuses to go to sleep. I went to tweedle ( sleep school) for the day who taught me techniques on how to calm him to sleep.   This worked for a day, but he has caught on and now as soon as I put him to sleep or lower him into his cot he goes into hysterics sad.gif  I let him cry for 30 secs, walk over pat him, this fails so I turn him on his side , hold his shoulder and shhhhhh.  He gets so hysterical he arches his back. He sounds so distressed I have to pick him up ( after 15 mins of trying this).  What am I doing wrong? I feel like such a horrible mum a) for letting him get to this state and b) I get so frustrated.   I make sure he is calm when I go to start this routine, I also begin it as soon as I see a tired sign.   Any tips would help, is it normal for a baby to get do hysterical :(Thankyou xx

Edited by Henrysmummy, 06 February 2013 - 09:45 PM.

#2 Madnesscraves

Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:51 PM

Are you feeding him then putting him in bed? I'm wondering if he has wind. Have you tried burping him before putting into bed?

If you can also give us a idea of what your routine before bed is like with him, that may help with advice on sleeping. original.gif

Edited by Madnesscraves, 06 February 2013 - 09:52 PM.

#3 tibs

Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:53 PM

Arching his back could mean tummy pain or gas?  I don't know, I have a 4 month old too and she is a good sleeper but my son was terrible at this age and screamed a lot, despite me doing all the same things with them so it probably isn't something you are doing wrong, some babies just sleep better than others.

#4 Henrysmummy

Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:58 PM

Sorry, I should of added those details.   I am formula feeding Henry through the day and breast feeding through the night. I burp him every 30 mls into his bottle .  At night I begin to get him relaxed from about 5 I bath him, feed him, cuddles then bed by 7. I really try and get him to have 3 naps through the day. The last being 4.30. He sleeps only for 40 mins. I do try and resettle him with the two earlier naps but he usually is smiling wanting to play!

Edited by Henrysmummy, 06 February 2013 - 09:59 PM.

#5 Madnesscraves

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:01 PM

Is this issue only at night or all naps?

#6 Henrysmummy

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

Thankyou for the tip on him arching his back I never knew that it could mean wind xx

#7 Henrysmummy

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:03 PM

Thankyou for the tip on him arching his back I never knew that it could mean wind.
And its All naps sad.gif

#8 Madnesscraves

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:05 PM

I'm still in the I think he has gas/wind still after a feed. My DD was much like this. She'd burp, I think, great, done, but noooo, there was a much bigger burp waiting!

In the end I used infacol (can be bought from chemist over the counter) to add to his feeds. It improved her hugely. Eventually once she could burp herself I weaned her off it was it was fine.

It might not be gas/wind. Do you have a CHN you visit? may be worth talking to them about what's Happening.

Another thing that helped Wind was dummies.

Edited by Madnesscraves, 06 February 2013 - 10:06 PM.

#9 hollyhock

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:06 PM

To me he sounds overtired. Two hours is too long for a four month old to be awake. One hour and thirty minutes maximum he should be up for.I

#10 tibs

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

My son was windy too and used to scream blue murder from it.  Best things I found were infants friend from the chemist - couple of drops with the feed did wonders.  Also different burping positions e.g lie him across my lap face down or do bicycle legs while he lay on his back on the changetable etc.

#11 Henrysmummy

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:11 PM

I use infacol. That does help original.gif
Maybe overtired but, in the morning as soon as I see a tired sign I start settling.  That's usually an hour after wake up.
I will try and settle him earlier at night. That is usually his biggest gap between sleeps
Thankyou xx

#12 Mrsbright

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:18 PM

The arching of the back is a classic sign of wind...try Infants Friend to see if that helps. Also, think he might be overtired - doesn't sound like he is sleeping long enough during the day. Would he sleep in a sling or baby carrier? That might help him nap longer. If the back arching persists, have a chat to your doctor to rule out silent reflux.

#13 Henrysmummy

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

I do have a baby carrier I tried it. He cried to get out.
I never thought of silent reflux.  To be honest I thought he was trying to turn around to see me.  

#14 Chelly_M

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:46 PM

I have a four month old too, so I thought I'd share what works for us.  

I wonder as well if your ds is over tired. I put my ds down when he seems tired, which is after 1 to 1 1/2 hrs awake time. so somedays he sleeps more than 3 naps depending on how long he sleeps for.
When settling your son, have you tried white noise? Our ds really calms down with white noise. We use a rain app on the iPod.

It might be trial and error to find out how your ds likes to be settled. My ds hates to be held or patted to sleep. He likes me to rub his tummy and chest and shoosh a bit. Patting him or putting him on his side just makes him worse.

About the possible wind, does your bub get plenty of tummy time? Even though I burp ds, when I give him tummy time, he often brings up more burps.  

Good luck with his sleep. I think you're doing a great job, especially trying to sort out issues now before they become too ingrained.

#15 bubsamullion

Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:17 PM

My 6 month old goes to sleep reasonably well now and at that age I found a couple of things worked really well for us.  The first was white noise played really loud (louder than his crying) to help him settle (we were able to turn it down lower once he had settled). One with a heartbeat in it worked really well and we still use it now while he sleeps - my DH downloaded it off the net for free.
Patting to sleep, shooshing etc never worked for us and would make his crying worse so I would settle him in my arms and then put him down while sleepy. If he cried I'd pick him up and repeat.  At first it took what seemed a long time and I thought he'd never get it but he eventually did and now I can either put him down and he'll go down no probs or cry for about half a minute before going to sleep.  There were some days when I just cut my losses though and would rock him to sleep again for both our sanity. I worried at the time that this would set us back but I just continued with the same approach and he got better and better so don't worry about losing the odd battle every now and then  original.gif
Might be an idea to rule out reflux as well - my DS has it and trying to do this while he was suffering from it would have been really diificult.
I think that at that age he was ready to go back to sleep 1 hour 15 to 1 hour 30 after being awake.  Good luck - you will get there eventually after some patience and consistency however you decide to go about it.

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