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#1 maryanneK

Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:43 PM

hi everyone.
I'm sure lots of you know about the coalition's plans to introduce paid maternity leave for six months at full salary. Now I personally think its a terrible policy - why should taxpayers be handing out up to $75,000 for wealthy women for maternity leave when they could easily afford it themselves?
However, as I'm currently 6w pregnant I could personally stand to benefit very handsomely from this! I'm on a pretty good salary, but my work has no paid maternity leave at all. I would absolutely LOVE to have 6 months fully paid maternity leave! I wouldn't vote liberal but there's a definite personal upside for me if they win.
does anyone know when they'd be planning on introducing it? Election is sept 14th and I'm due early October....guess that would be unlikely, right?! rolleyes.gif

#2 nano-tyrannus

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

QUOTE (maryanneK @ 05/02/2013, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I personally think its a terrible policy - why should taxpayers be handing out up to $75,000 for wealthy women for maternity leave when they could easily afford it themselves?


Labor's scheme is funded by taxpayers... The coalition's is by a levy:

QUOTE
The Coalition’s Paid Parental Leave scheme is funded by a 1.5 percent levy on companies with

taxable incomes in excess of $5 million. This will apply only to taxable income in excess of $5 million.

The levy will affect approximately 3,370 out of 770,000 companies in Australia. From 2013-14, all

companies will receive the benefit of a 1.5 precentage point reduction in the company tax rate.

The Coalition would prefer to fund our Paid Parental Leave scheme from a Budget surplus, but this

is not possible due to the large debt and deficits run up by the Labor Government. Labor’s debt and

deficits mean that funding the Coalition’s Paid Parental Leave scheme through a levy of 1.5 percent

on a relatively small number of larger companies is the only way for Australia to achieve a decent

Paid Parental Leave scheme in the near future. Once the Budget position has been restored we will

reduce the levy and eventually abolish it entirely.


You'll probably have to wait... the above text was from the 2010 election, and that policy was meant to come into place in July 2012 subject to the passage of legislation...




#3 eachschoolholidays

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:55 PM

QUOTE (FluffyOscar @ 05/02/2013, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As if Tony Abbott would actually do anything re paid maternity leave. You're a sucker if you believe him.


I'm guessing if/when he is elected he will say that he would love to do it, but the economy just isn't up to it  rolleyes.gif

#4 InsertAwesomeHere

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (FluffyOscar @ 05/02/2013, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As if Tony Abbott would actually do anything re paid maternity leave. You're a sucker if you believe him.

I think i will cry if he gets in.

#5 cira

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

The Coalition’s Paid Parental Leave scheme is funded by a 1.5 percent levy on companies with
taxable incomes in excess of $5 million. This will apply only to taxable income in excess of $5 million.
The levy will affect approximately 3,370 out of 770,000 companies in Australia.


How could a levy on just 3,370 companies possibly fund the scheme - I think this scheme is an election myth that would disappear shortly after the elections.

#6 ElevenYears

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

I'm on the 'never' team too.  It's not costed properly and would require the government to kick in.

People in NSW and QLD can vouch for Liberal governments that start with 'well sure we promised, but it turns out the budget was in a worse state than we realised'. (due to what, exactly?  Not paying attention before it was their responsibility?  Pulling figures that suited them out of their backsides prior to the election?)  And the whole idea of a 'non core promise' is pretty much enshrined in Liberal culture.

Edited by Eight.years, 05 February 2013 - 09:13 PM.


#7 Katie_bella

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:18 PM

The lies grand statements made prior to an election, to make people vote for whomever is making said grand statements rolleyes.gif

Let the election fun begin!

#8 ShamelesslyPooks

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:19 PM

Firstly, I oppose the scheme completely as middle class welfare gone mad. Secondly, I don't believe it would happen. Thirdly, if it did happen, I could only see it happening through completely scrapping other payments. Fourthly, how is this ok but mining tax isn't? Fifthly, ahhhhhh *runs*

#9 B.feral3

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE (Eight.years @ 05/02/2013, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People in NSW and QLD can vouch for Liberal governments that start with 'well sure we promised, but it turns out the budget was in a worse state than we realised'. (due to what, exactly?  Not paying attention before it was their responsibility?  Pulling figures that suited them out of their backsides prior to the election?)  And the whole idea of a 'non core promise' is pretty much enshrined in Liberal culture.


Yes.


#10 elizabethany

Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:06 PM

QUOTE
The Coalition’s Paid Parental Leave scheme is funded by a 1.5 percent levy on companies with

taxable incomes in excess of $5 million
. This will apply only to taxable income in excess of $5 million.

The levy will affect approximately 3,370 out of 770,000 companies in Australia. From 2013-14, all

companies will receive the benefit of a 1.5 precentage point reduction in the company tax rate.


So they are not charging a levy, they are reducing the tax rate on companies with a profit of less than 5 million.  How is this going to fund anything again?

Personally, I think it would be great if women were funded to 40k a year for 6 months, but it is not going to happen.  It will become a "non-core" promise as soon as the election is over.

Even if it manages to stick around, it will be at least 2 years before anything starts.

#11 maryanneK

Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:18 AM

Hmm ok plenty of cynics out there! Guess I wont hold my breath rolleyes.gif

#12 Hayleymumof3

Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:56 AM

QUOTE
Hmm ok plenty of cynics out there! Guess I wont hold my breath


Not Cynics, we just know how Tony Abbott's mind works.

#13 Tilly007

Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:04 AM

Putting aside whether such a scheme will ever be introduced, I find it appalling that women and mothers are not supporting its introduction.

Australia lags far behind the rest of the western world (and even non western world) in terms of the paid parental leave scheme it offers to its citizens.  

As someone who would probably be classed as a high income earner, we find it pretty tough when I need to take time off to have a child.  When the female earns a comparable amount to the male, being off work makes a huge difference.  Yes, we plan and budget for it as much as we can.  But that doesn't mean it's not hard!

I would never begrudge someone on a lower income from being paid maternity leave at their actual rate of pay.  They need it, I need it.  If it makes life easier for FAMILIES (and high income earners have families, too), it just doesn't make sense to me why this is opposed.

Trying to have a career with children is hard enough.  Having a child has been the worst possible thing I could have done for my career.  Adding a huge amount of financial stress to the situation makes it even harder.

#14 Bluenomi

Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:53 AM

Ignoring the whole will he/won't he issue this is a likely time line.

Election is 14 Sept. If there is a change of ogvernment they won't sit again until at least November by the time they get everything sorted. So it won't even be introduced until Parliament until then even if it is the first thing they introduce. Then it has to get through the Reps and the senate which it may or may not depending on the indepenants and the greens. If you are lucky it could be passed by Feburary. Then it needs to be implemented and I suspect it would be something they'd start at the begining of a year or fin year so July 2013 at the earliest.

So yeah don't get your hopes up.

#15 Blossom73

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:00 AM

QUOTE (nlman @ 05/02/2013, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm guessing if/when he is elected he will say that he would love to do it, but the economy just isn't up to it  rolleyes.gif



Ding ding ding! Politicians of all stripes use this one as an excuse when they come into power. AKA - the last government left us in such a deficit hole it would not be responsible to introduce this policy. This excuse lasts through about 2 budget cycles, then its on the head of the current government.

Edited by Blossom73, 06 February 2013 - 10:02 AM.


#16 EBeditor

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:14 AM

I wouldn't see it being introduced until next year either, and that's if it passes through the houses of parliament. You would have to get some paid maternity leave in your current role, it would just be the current government scheme though.



#17 ComradeBob

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:17 AM

QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 06/02/2013, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not Cynics, we just know how Tony Abbott's mind works.

Plus, remember that he was part of the "Never Ever GST" governemnt, and would be well versed in John Howards "core" and "non-core" promises. I suspect that this will end up firmly in the latter category.

Tilly by definition anyone, female or not, at the upper end of the limit, ie earning $150,000 has a hell of a lot more wriggle room that the woman working the checkout at Coles. I fail, utterly to see why the rich woman raising her baby is worth so much more than the poor woman raising her baby. They're doing the same job in this instance.

I'd like to see a situation where women and men are much more supported by our society in general when it comes to childbirth and childrearing, but this ill concieved and inequitable division of money as proposed by Abbott is certainly not it.

#18 PrincessPeach

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:33 AM

It has it's merits, particularly in circumstances where the woman is the main breadwinner in the family. Even earning $70,000 a year, currently it's a 50% paycut, which for some families is a huge impact.

But i am confused, is this going to be available for all women, or just those who work at the companies who are paying the levy?

Also does the employer pay it & get refunded by centrelink, or does centrelink just pay it? Because if it's still being paid by the employer, it wont be very popular - the amount of paperwork involved in the current scheme is just insane & also making sure the payment has come in before we pay it out.

Also if it was going to be introduce, I wouldn't expect it to happen before 2015.

Edited by PrincessPeach, 06 February 2013 - 10:42 AM.


#19 Hayleymumof3

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:45 AM

QUOTE
The Coalition’s Paid Parental Leave scheme is funded by a 1.5 percent levy on companies with
taxable incomes in excess of $5 million. This will apply only to taxable income in excess of $5 million.
The levy will affect approximately 3,370 out of 770,000 companies in Australia.


Am I the only one seeing some of these 3,370 business finding tax loopholes to reduce their profits so they don't have to pay?

Also as if Abbott is going to put a levy on his big business buddies.

#20 ComradeBob

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:46 AM

Some? I think you underestimate Hayley. Most would probably be a fair assessment   laugh.gif

#21 HGL

Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:33 AM

Yepp, election in Sept 2013, ignoring the fact that they'd probably go back on their word, and if it did get up, earliest it would be available is July 2014.

I sit middle of the line when it comes to politics but I'm secretly praying that Abbott gets knocked off as leader and Turnbull gets a run.

#22 Tilly007

Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:55 PM

[quote name='WingBob' date='06/02/2013, 11:17 AM' post='15305177']

Tilly
by definition anyone, female or not, at the upper end of the limit, ie earning $150,000 has a hell of a lot more wriggle room that the woman working the checkout at Coles. I fail, utterly to see why the rich woman raising her baby is worth so much more than the poor woman raising her baby. They're doing the same job in this instance.

I'd like to see a situation where women and men are much more supported by our society in general when it comes to childbirth and childrearing, but this ill concieved and inequitable division of money as proposed by Abbott is certainly not it.


The purpose of a paid parental leave scheme is not to compensate someone for raising children.

It is to compensate them for being out of the workforce (and not earning their salary) while they raise their children.

Edited by Tilly007, 06 February 2013 - 12:56 PM.


#23 cira

Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE (Tilly007 @ 06/02/2013, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Putting aside whether such a scheme will ever be introduced, I find it appalling that women and mothers are not supporting its introduction.

Australia lags far behind the rest of the western world (and even non western world) in terms of the paid parental leave scheme it offers to its citizens.  

As someone who would probably be classed as a high income earner, we find it pretty tough when I need to take time off to have a child.  When the female earns a comparable amount to the male, being off work makes a huge difference.  Yes, we plan and budget for it as much as we can.  But that doesn't mean it's not hard!

I would never begrudge someone on a lower income from being paid maternity leave at their actual rate of pay.  They need it, I need it.  If it makes life easier for FAMILIES (and high income earners have families, too), it just doesn't make sense to me why this is opposed.

Trying to have a career with children is hard enough.  Having a child has been the worst possible thing I could have done for my career.  Adding a huge amount of financial stress to the situation makes it even harder.


I don't understand your perspective. Some people in Australia would find it pretty tough in general without taking children into account. Surely as a high income earner you are in a much better position to save and fund your own maternity leave? I think Australia is incredibly supportive of families through the various centrelink payments. I'd have to see some solid statistics to believe  Australia truly  lags far behind many countries.

Also, as a high income earner (and I assume someone with in-demand skills) you may be in a better position to negotiate paid maternity leave directly with your employer compared to someone on lower income.

I do agree that having a child has a massive impact on a career and it has certainly been detrimental to my career but maternity leave pay is less of an issue to me than the lack of flexible work hours and/or part-time work opportunities.


#24 PrincessPeach

Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:30 PM

There are a lot of industries out there where very few firms offer paid maternity leave & part-time & flexible hour jobs are as rare as hens teeth. Even those with high incomes & in-demand skills.

I do agree that in a perfect world you would have planned for your children & ensured you had enough saved up to take time off with them, however it's not a perfect world. Women get pregnant before it's really planned & on the other side, couples planning families have had to use those savings to pay for the fertility treatments to get their children.

#25 I'msoMerry

Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

I must think very differently from most.
Why should we be entitled to so many handouts? Can our country really afford it?

We are on one low income. I appreciate FTB very much. We are so blessed in this country. But people still want more.

Can our country afford to pay partners two weeks leave when a child is born? I have also heard this being discussed in the media. Just take holidays like everyone has always done. I think the average persons desire for handouts has become ridiculous. People have been having children a long time and managing without all these entitlements.

I would much rather the money went into health and education.




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