Jump to content

Terrified of getting a pouch!


  • Please log in to reply
47 replies to this topic

#1 mummmi79

Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:25 PM

Hello fellow mummies

I am unsure wether to
Go Vbac or Csection for this little one.
I have heard stories of ladies getting what they call a Joey pouch after consecutive sections and I really don't like that idea! However due to a few personal reasons I'm also swaying away from a vbac.
Has anyone ended up with this pouch after their sections?
And does anyone know if they have to use staples instead of stitches second time around?

#2 B.feral3

Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

I've had 2 C/S's. (DS2 & DS3)
I do have the dreaded pouch now and I did have staples the second time round actually!! Only because that particular hospital prefers staples to stitches though apparently and I had my C/S's in different hospitals.

Good luck with your decision.

Edited by Bek+3, 05 February 2013 - 07:20 PM.


#3 Glr-r

Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:22 PM

I've had 2 and no pouch, glued together first time, stappled the 2nd.

#4 Beancat

Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

I've had two and a slight pouch.  I am having a third in 12 weeks.  Would rather the pouch anyday of the week than the risks that come with VBAC.

First one was stiched, second one was glue.  Hope this one will be glue.  Oh and my ob removed some of the scar tissue from the first when she did the second so there was not as much scar tissue and she plans to do the same again this time

#5 KatakaGeoGirl

Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:33 PM

You mean the saggy baggy dead tissue tummy bit that sits over the c-section scar? Yep I have one. Didn't for first DD but then did for 2nd DD. I am also numb most of the area, I think I lost nerve feeling around it. Its hideous lol - I just pull my knickers over it and try squeeze my tummy in. I loved my old flat tummy but nothing I can do - I guess to look on the positives I'd rather have my daughter than my saggy tummy, than not have her and have a flat tummy. I didn't want to go the risks of VBac.

I also think you can get that without a c-section anyway?

#6 DandS

Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:34 PM

Ive had 3 c/s. No pouch after 2 ... but #3 was the one that caused all the damage. Very depressing!

ETA: cant really remember whether it was staples or stitches...

Edited by DandS, 05 February 2013 - 07:35 PM.


#7 bikingbubs

Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:35 PM

I had an emergency c/s with DS and was hoping to have a VBAC with DD, but ended up having a c/s.  Although she is only 3 months old, its not too pouchy so think it will go back to how it was after DS.  Had stitches both times.   Personally, I wouldnt be terrified of ending up with one as long as your kids are born healthy.

#8 GenWhy

Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:42 PM

I got the pouch after my c/sections. I had a VBAC too but the damage was already done in the first pregnancy. I'd take the VBAC any day over those horrid caesareans. Much less risky to have a VBAC than a repeat caesar by the way

#9 FeralFemboside

Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (GenWhy @ 05/02/2013, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Much less risky to have a VBAC than a repeat caesar by the way


This study says differently:

Methods and findings
2,345 women with one prior caesarean, eligible for VBAC at term, were recruited from 14 Australian maternity hospitals. Women were assigned by patient preference (n = 2,323) or randomisation (n = 22) to planned VBAC (1,225 patient preference, 12 randomised) or planned ERC (1,098 patient preference, ten randomised). The primary outcome was risk of fetal death or death of liveborn infant before discharge or serious infant outcome. Data were analysed for the 2,345 women (100%) and infants enrolled.

The risk of fetal death or liveborn infant death prior to discharge or serious infant outcome was significantly lower for infants born in the planned ERC group compared with infants in the planned VBAC group (0.9% versus 2.4%; relative risk [RR] 0.39; 95% CI 0.19–0.80; number needed to treat to benefit 66; 95% CI 40–200). Fewer women in the planned ERC group compared with women in the planned VBAC had a major haemorrhage (blood loss ≥1,500 ml and/or blood transfusion), (0.8% [9/1,108] versus 2.3% [29/1,237]; RR 0.37; 95% CI 0.17–0.80).

Edited by Sydneyside, 05 February 2013 - 07:57 PM.


#10 threetimesblessed

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:25 PM

3 csections, no pouch, stitches each time, very neat scar.
Once a colleague asked me if I had a pouch from the csections.
I had no idea what she was talking about and had never heard of it until then!

#11 GenWhy

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:33 PM

Sudneyside, the studies on a MUCH larger scale have been done worldwide. They all have proven that Caesars carry more risk. That is why ACOG changed their guidelines in 2010 recommending women attempt VBAC and VBA2C rather than elective caesareans. I can google too but prefer to get my info from actual medical journals

#12 melajoe

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

I have had two c/s (1st was emergency, 2nd was failed VBAC), with stitches both times.  Actually, I think the second time I only had internal stitches and tape on the outside.  I do have a bit of a pouch after the second.  I was pretty happy with the way things bounced back after the first, but my youngest is now 2.5 and I still look about 4-5 months pregnant on a good day.  I'm not big anywhere else but I just can't get rid of the saggy tum.

Shapewear is my friend.



Edited by melajoe, 05 February 2013 - 08:44 PM.


#13 B.feral3

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:43 PM

QUOTE (GenWhy @ 05/02/2013, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sudneyside, the studies on a MUCH larger scale have been done worldwide. They all have proven that Caesars carry more risk. That is why ACOG changed their guidelines in 2010 recommending women attempt VBAC and VBA2C rather than elective caesareans. I can google too but prefer to get my info from actual medical journals


I'm not getting involved in a debate but I had a read and just wanted to say that that was an 'actual' medical journal.  unsure.gif


#14 beaglebaby

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:50 PM

1 emergency c section, 2 VBACs, nasty, nasty pouch.  Might also have something to do with the amount of weight I gained and have now lost.  No amount of shapewear is going to help as you have to put it somewhere!  Think I should start saving for a tummy tuck!

#15 katiecoop

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:55 PM

QUOTE (GenWhy @ 05/02/2013, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sudneyside, the studies on a MUCH larger scale have been done worldwide. They all have proven that Caesars carry more risk. That is why ACOG changed their guidelines in 2010 recommending women attempt VBAC and VBA2C rather than elective caesareans. I can google too but prefer to get my info from actual medical journals


Agreed. The risk of a vbac (uterine rupture) is tiny (although severe) compared to the much higher risk of subjecting a child to a lifetime of compromised health, asthma, allergies, food allergies, diabetes. That's without even considering that women and babies in Australia are twice as likely to die in c section than in a natural birth... Or the higher likelihood of bleeding, infections, etc in the mother. I was born via c section and have had a baby via c section and I wouldn't wish it on any child.
I'm not sure a pouch is the most important thing to consider, but if you don't want a saggy pouch probably best to avoid the c section if possible. The right part of my stomach above the scar is much saggier than the left side of my stomach if that's any help.

#16 FeralFemboside

Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

QUOTE (Bek+3 @ 05/02/2013, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not getting involved in a debate but I had a read and just wanted to say that that was an 'actual' medical journal.  unsure.gif


Yes, and it was done since 2010 and in Australian hospitals... I'm not arguing that a single small study is definitive, but obviously more research is warranted because I don't think the question as to which is safer overall has actually been answered. To me there seems to be good evidence for both VBAC and ERC.

#17 *Finn*

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

I have a pouch.

1 c-section (stitches)
1 Vbac

It totally feels like dead flesh. I can't stand it.

#18 Futureself

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

Off topic, educational musing follows:
QUOTE (GenWhy @ 05/02/2013, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can google too but prefer to get my info from actual medical journals

PLOS medicine is a peer reviewed journal with an impact factor of over 16. You can't get more 'actual'
And one of the most important factors of using evidence in medicine is the ability to apply it in context. You don't get better than a study looking at Australian Hospitals with Australian practice standards and Australian patients from only 2 years ago as far as context goes. So really, it is actually more helpful than a study with a a larger sample size, that was carried out in China or the US.

On topic :
One emergency caeser here and a small overhang. Wouldn't call it a pouch though.

#19 Expelliarmus

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:49 PM

I googled some images of a csection pouch.

Dude, I look like that and I've had 3 vaginal births!

Are we sure it's a csection thing?!? LOL

#20 B.feral3

Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:04 PM

QUOTE (Sydneyside @ 05/02/2013, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, and it was done since 2010 and in Australian hospitals... I'm not arguing that a single small study is definitive, but obviously more research is warranted because I don't think the question as to which is safer overall has actually been answered. To me there seems to be good evidence for both VBAC and ERC.


I'm not getting into that debate. I'm just saying it was an actual, peer reviewed journal article. That's the only point I was addressing.  wink.gif

Edited by Bek+3, 05 February 2013 - 10:05 PM.


#21 *little-rach*

Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:05 PM

Three c/sections here, 1 emerg. And 2 elective.

First and third were staples, second internal stitches.

No pouch at all but I have lost most feeling in the area.

#22 tres-chic

Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

I've had two c-sections, after my first natural birth.

I bounced back well after the first c-section but did have a pouch I suppose after the second. I was glue, not stitches or staples.

I was able to exercise it off about 90%. Not perfect but not a fait accompli either.

#23 Isolabella

Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:12 PM

Flat as a tack around where my three cs took place (third was a good decision as uterus nearly ruptured at 36w3d delivery - had been offered choice of trying VBA2C or cs as originally booked when I went into labour).

Now two inches above that I have saggy droopy skin. That is just pregnancy related and not to do with cs.

Edit for Damn Autocorrect

Edited by lsolaBella, 07 February 2013 - 10:14 AM.


#24 Havanese

Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:36 PM

QUOTE (katiecoop @ 05/02/2013, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agreed. The risk of a vbac (uterine rupture) is tiny (although severe) compared to the much higher risk of subjecting a child to a lifetime of compromised health, asthma, allergies, food allergies, diabetes. That's without even considering that women and babies in Australia are twice as likely to die in c section than in a natural birth... Or the higher likelihood of bleeding, infections, etc in the mother.


Really???  rolleyes.gif  Can you please explain how a CS subjects the child to a lifetime of health complications?

#25 sakura73

Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:38 AM

QUOTE (katiecoop @ 05/02/2013, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's without even considering that women and babies in Australia are twice as likely to die in c section than in a natural birth... Or the higher likelihood of bleeding, infections, etc in the mother. I was born via c section and have had a baby via c section and I wouldn't wish it on any child.


I suspect those statistics are skewed by the fact that emergency caesareans are often performed in circumstances where the mother or baby is at life-threatening risk already.

And as for "not wishing it on any child" -  my child was born by emergency C-section. Had he not been he would have died trying to be born because he was completely tangled in the cord. I would not wish attempted vaginal delivery in those circumstances on any child.




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

What not to say to a new mum

Some phrases just pop out before you really think about them, but there are some things you should try to not say to a new mum.

Why I'm glad to be an indulgent granny

The phone calls started a couple of weeks ago. At about 5.30 each evening - if I am lucky - I will be greeted by a sweet, excited voice declaring: "'Allo Annie".

Is this the worst relationship advice ever published?

You sometimes have to wonder whether relationship/sex advice from magazines is designed to help or humiliate.

How you talk to your baby now can impact social skills later

People used to think that social skills were something kids were born with, not taught.

Three truths about C-section mums

Lately I've been thinking about the caesarean stories and the brave women who birth their children with strength and beauty.

Scientists predict when you should start a family

Scientists have calculated at exactly what age you need to start trying to get pregnant to have the best chance of realising your dream. 

Differently abled child

When 'protecting' a child is really a cover for judgement

Why are people so concerned for this happy child and his mother?

When toddlers have strange obsessions

When it comes to two-year-olds and birthday cakes there are a few requests that are usually at the top of the list. But a cake featuring a local personal injury lawyer?

When Mama Bear strikes

When we become mums, our instinct to protect our children and keep them safe from harm is so strong we're often likened to a Mama Bear protecting her cubs.  

Immunity boosters for kids

There are no guaranteed ways to avoid the dreaded winter illnesses completely, but there are ways we can boost our children's immunity.

Mum shares portrait of her proudly breastfeeding three-year-old

Jade Beall usually chooses to breastfeed her son, now 3, in private. This week, however, she shared portraits of her breastfeeding her preschooler.

Dealing with a toddler's morning tantrums

Your schedule is not important to your two-year-old, and you cannot convince her otherwise. So what can you do?

Child in suitcase 'could have died eight years ago'

A child whose remains were dumped in a suitcase in the South Australian bush is believed to have been a girl aged between two-and-a-half to four.

MP breastfeeds baby during parliamentary session

An Argentinian mum and politician has caused a stir on social media after being filmed breastfeeding her baby.

My baby's first seizure

It was 1am on a cold winter's night when I woke suddenly to the screams of my 12-month-old son. Our lives were about to change forever.

Portable pools 'more dangerous than permanent ones'

Inflatable and portable children's pools may be required to be sold with compulsory fencing to prevent backyard drownings, with some experts even floating the idea of a ban.

Heartbreaking moment mum kisses her one-week-old goodbye

At 11.07am on April 2 this year, Sarah Marriott welcomed baby Sebastian into the world.

The amazing Tee Pee bed and kid-friendly Frankie Bunk bed

These kids' beds definitely fit the brief of providing personality and personal space for little people who are moving up in the world.

The funny things kids say when you're pregnant

Since becoming noticeably pregnant, my son has taken more of an interest in the sibling he'll soon have.

The real problem with having one child

In this age of political correctness, it seems the one subject still subject to discrimination is that of the Only Child.

Six-week-old baby found dead, believed stabbed

A neighbour heard a child screaming before a baby was found dead, believed to have been stabbed, in a house in Newcastle.

The fire hazard in more than 70,000 Australian homes

So far, 206 Samsung washing machines have caught fire and some have exploded. But many remain in people's homes.

How having a baby can bring on OCD

We all know that having a baby can turn your life upside down - and it can also bring a raft of new anxieties and worries.

IVF gender selection being considered for Australian parents

Couples using IVF may be able to choose the gender of their babies and women could be financially compensated for donating their eggs.

The best age to get married (according to the latest study)

Not too young, and not too old. That's reportedly the best age to get married. Not everyone agrees.

Get your FREE Baby & Toddler Show ticket!

Get your free ticket to the Sydney Essential Baby & Toddler Show for September 25-27 - register online now.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Yes, you can get pregnant before your period returns post-baby

After giving birth, the last thing you want to think about is contraception. But you can get pregnant before your period comes back.

Fellow diner rewards mum after toddler's tantrum

Parents of toddlers everywhere know the feeling. After working up the courage to take your child out for lunch or dinner in public you are rewarded with a mid-meal meltdown. 

IKEA begins massive safety campaign after two toddler deaths

Two children were killed when pieces from their Malm furniture line tipped over.

Which beauty treatments are safe in pregnancy?

Is it safe to use fake tan, hair dye and nail varnish during pregnancy?

A dad's guide to hyperemesis

I am in no way qualified to advise women on how to cope with hyperemesis, but I've learnt some lessons that might be worth sharing with other partners.

The five ways I know my 'baby' is no longer a baby

The truth is, I can no longer deny that my walking, babbling, somewhat-independent little miss is no longer a bona fide 'baby'.

Woman adopts best friend's four daughters after cancer tragedy

Best friends share everything - and for these two life-long friends, that includes family.

Beaneasy: sweet nursery furniture with a twist

If you're looking to introduce an organic element into your baby's nursery but want to step away from natural timber, we have the perfect alternative.

Confirmed: men gain weight when they become dads

Men who become fathers experience weight gain and an increase in body mass index, a measurement of body fat based on height and weight, according to a new, large-scale study

Carer investigated over washing machine photo posted 'for a laugh'

She said the photo of a boy with Down syndrome in a washing machine was taken just for fun, but no one else was laughing.

The day my son started a fire

Would you know what to do in a fire emergency? How safe is your home and family?

Mum's premature labour nightmare after high tea salmonella outbreak

An opulent high tea at a luxury Melbourne hotel has left 44 people with salmonella poisoning - including a pregnant woman, who went into early labour.

The science of 'hangry': why some people get grumpy when hungry

Where does hanger come from? And why is it that only some people seem to get hangry?

What a baby with whooping cough sounds like

It's a heartbreaking video that anyone who has ever considered not vaccinating against whooping cough must see.

Couple's million dollar bill for premmie baby born on holiday

An Australian couple could face a medical expenses of more than $1 million after their baby boy was born three months prematurely while they were holidaying in Hawaii.

Coffee a day to keep disease at bay

Don't be surprised if your morning brew does more than wake you up. There's more to this magical elixir than you might think.

Why Prince George has 'two different looks'

Days out from Prince George's second birthday, his parents' tendency to dress him in classical style clothing has been revealed as a cunning ploy.

Husband films mum giving birth in moving car on freeway

An incredible birth video shows a mother delivering her own baby as her husband drives along a freeway in a vain attempt to reach hospital.

Breastfeeding while pregnant: is it safe?

Many women happily breastfeed well into pregnancy while others wean sooner; yet others continue to breastfeed both infants together. This is a personal choice.

Womb to world: transitioning your new baby

One minute they're contentedly snuggled in the sanctuary of their mum's tummy, and the next they arrive into an overwhelming reality of lights, cameras and action.

Gadgets

iSperm: the iPad home fertility test for men

A new gadget uses a tiny microscope and the camera on an iPad to calculate sperm count and motility.

The tiny twins who were strong from the start

I cried when a specialist told me at exactly 28 weeks that our twin boys would have to be born within 48 hours.

One day when I didn't know

Julia Watson, a mum of four young girls, was diagnosed with stage 4 bowel cancer in December 2013. She shares her latest blog piece with Essential Baby. 

 

FREE TICKET

See Pinky McKay live in Sydney

Get your free ticket to The Essential Baby & Toddler Show and save $20 - register online now!

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.