Jump to content

Building a house


  • Please log in to reply
10 replies to this topic

#1 Guest_CaptainOblivious_*

Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:56 PM

Is it really that much of a big deal, or do you just tell them what you want, pick out the colours and hand them a cheque.

My plan is to go with a house and land package since all of the land in decent areas has been bought up by local builders. I'm after a 4bdr 3 living area house with a bathroom and ensuite, so nothing out of the ordinary. I plan to have it finished to the point where all I have to do it move in.

WDYT? Have you done it? What are the pitfalls to watch out for aside from making sure you've got a decent builder.


#2 Peppery

Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:02 PM

Currently building, well the slap gets laid 17 feb. I have found the process very straight forward. The land was already owned so I am guessing that it is different for house and land packages but I have to organise carpeting, concreting driveways. When they handover the keys I won't be able to move in straightaway.

Haven't found it that big of a deal so far, I may feel differently in a few weeks though wink.gif

#3 *LucyE*

Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

I have discovered that I don't speak 'builder'.  It's a whole language unto itself and I do not understand the nuances.

We have been renovating and undertaking some extensive landscaping work.  Both times we have required the assistance of designers or architect to be the translators.  

I assume a home and land package deal with the standard home designs are much simpler because there are fewer variables.

The only reason why I am even contemplating subjecting myself to them again, is to finally have my dream home.  Having learned from our own experiences, and those of family and friends, the biggest lesson is to be prepared.  Plan everything before work commences because any changes afterwards will be expensive.  Have every last, tiny detail on paper with each party signing.

We have friends who have bought, renovated and sold several properties over the last 20 yrs.  They finally have settled on their dream home which was a reno of an original queenslander.  They project managed themselves and had a 90 page booklet in 10 point font of the specifications they wanted on top of the usual builder contracts.  Even with such meticulous detail, the builder still tried to alter or substitute products.  They also included time frames and penalties which we should have done with our house reno.  Our builder started to take on other smaller jobs to help with his cash flow which meant that we would have no one turn up for a week or two which really slowed down our progress.

#4 ComradeBob

Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

We did a knock down rebuild with a hosing company and were very happy with it, although I think I must have looked at a couple of thousand lots of plans on line before finally finding a layout I was happy with. We went with Rawson in the end and they did a very professional job, and were happy to amend the plans to suit our specifications (some companies aren't so happy to do this). The only things they didn't do were the landscaping and the carpet upstairs, but everything else was finished. It took about 8 months all up and that included some wet weeks where nothing was happening and to my mind , it was far easier than getting an architect and doing it all yourself.

I will say though that the prices you see on building companies websites are generally the base level and you can adding another third to half on again before y get your final product.

#5 unicorn

Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:23 PM

I think most of the time it can be straight forward but I would prefer to keep a relatively close eye on things, friends of ours got burnt by when they bought a house and land package.
The H&L people outsource the labour, but the site manager wasn't keeping an eye on things and there were shortcuts taken all through the place, cheap fittings, things not going where they were supposed to according to the plans, bodgy workmanship, walls not square, gutters not leaning the right way causing leaks into the house, it has cost said friends a small fortune to rectify the problems and They are in the process of court action over it all.

Edited by Flibbertigibberty, 02 February 2013 - 04:24 PM.


#6 Pongo

Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:50 PM

We are 7 months into our custom designed and boutique built house with another 2/3 months to go.

And so far it has been fairly simple, sure sometimes things don't go to plan or an issue crops up that needs to be dealt with but our builder has been great.

As we are using a boutique builder we can change things whenever we like and we can make decisions about colours and  finishings right before they are needed.  They have also arranged whatever we've wanted so for example if we decide tomorrow we want the builder to do the landscaping they will bring in quotes for the work and we then approve it.

However our contract with the builder is a cost+ arrangement whereas most builders are fixed price.

#7 Le-a

Posted 02 February 2013 - 05:29 PM

QUOTE (WingBob @ 02/02/2013, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will say though that the prices you see on building companies websites are generally the base level and you can adding another third to half on again before y get your final product.


This is interesting. I am also looking into building, and am quite "green" to the whole thing. So, what makes the final cost come in at so much higher? Things like site works, or upgrading appliances/bench tops etc? Or is it just other general stuff?

Good question OP, I've been meaning to ask this for a while.

#8 Fabulous

Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:20 AM

Site costs can be expensive. Ours were 40K and the builder had only allowed 6K in our preliminary works contract. We had to put in a couple of small retaining walls to make our block flat.  Another big one is the cost of storm water drains. Our builder wanted an extra 3k to do them. Sometimes fences will need to be removed and replaced.

The base price of your home usually includes the bare minimum so you often have to budget extra for stuff like TV points, internet points, extra power points, doors on your home theatre, study ensuite etc, overhead cupboards When we built our range hood and bathroom exhaust were going to be vented straight into the roof space so we had to pay an extra $1000 to get them all flued to the outside.

Edited by Fabulous, 03 February 2013 - 09:22 AM.


#9 ComradeBob

Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:47 AM

Companies pries won't include floor coverings, for example, or site works. If you want different rooms painted different colours, that will cost more. It turned out we needed screw piers, which added $20,000. Gutter guards, we needed a retaining wall, landscaping, it's all extra. Not to mention that in certain Sydney LGAs many companies add a premium because its more challenging terrain. The base package will include only certain external finishes, so you will pay extra if you want a different brick,roof tiles, front door etc. You can also upgrade the basic package to one where you design your kitchen layout and you get nicer finishes. We paid more to get a caeserstone bench top in the kitchen, rather than laminate. Driveways aren't included in the base price, so that's another $7,000+.

#10 belindarama

Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:30 AM

You need to check very carefully what level of finnish is specified in the base price. A lot of the package homes we looked at very very basic in their inclusions. For example, if you want taps that don't look like they came from 1969 (those plastic ones with indentations for your fingers) that is extra. There were lot of things like that.

Also the workmanship is not always great. We were chatting with a stand alone builder and I mentioned the quality of the workmanship in the display homes, wonky tiles for example, and he told me they do it on purpose as they only agree to build your home to that standard. So when you complain your tiled are wonky they send you back to the display home and say that is what we agreed to provide. I agree that bringing it up to decent standard adds a third, that is what we found when we costed out what we wanted versus what the packages allowed for.

We ended up going with the stand alone guy and his work was excellent. 7 months in (living in the house) and no major problems. Minor defects here and there that don't become apparent until you move in but nothing huge. All the little things have been fixed to our satisfaction very easily.

A couple of times he was unhappy with work and made tradies do it again, sometimes I couldn't really see what the issue was but he wasn't happy.

Site costs can be an unknown. We needed extra piers so that added $10,000.

Also other things can add on more than you expect. We needed to redo the footpath out the front and move our driveway as council wasn't happy with where the original driveway was and wanted it moved. We also needed to concrete the driveway on our property to the garage and do some areas around the exterior of the house. A path around the perimeter and area for the bins etc. that cost $22,000.

Make sure you have a decent contingency because you will need it.

#11 WastingTime

Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:51 PM

The base price will be nowhere near the final price for reasons outlined above. When you are researching plans and pricing be sure to ask for a list of inclusions. Some companies like Allworth may give you a list of inclusions with pricings included. Get a spreadsheet and make a list of what you get with each package and itemize it for 'extra' things which can include basic stuff like insulation! We've built twice. The second time we had more cash to play with and knew what we wanted and were lucky to find a builder who custom designed our home and had a very generous inclusions package with things like caesarstone and nice fittings as standard. Unfortunately for them it obviously didn't make good financial sense as they have since gone under which is a shame as our place is fantastic.




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Get your FREE Baby & Toddler ticket!

Get your free tickets to the Sydney The Essential Baby & Toddler Show for September 25-27! Register online for your free ticket now!

A solo birth, a wasp swarm and a forest fire: mum and baby's amazing story of survival

Desperate, out of petrol and low on food, a new mother lit a fire in the hope of attracting attention.

Boy found on swing died of hypothermia and dehydration, autopsy finds

The story was chilling and heartbreaking: a three-year-old boy was found dead in a Southern Maryland park, his mother pushing him on the swing.

Child's play and laughter help battle fatigue

Feeling fatigued? Uh-huh, thought as much. Join the queue.

Dad shares entertaining 'how to hold a baby' clip

For many new dads, their own child is the first baby they have ever held. So one dad has posted an instructive YouTube video titled "How to Hold a Baby".

The Australian baby with 100,000 Facebook fans

She may be only eight months old, but Egypt has already amassed more than 100,000 fans and received a letter from royalty - Hollywood royalty that is.

Public welcome outside church for Princess Charlotte's christening

Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have invited well-wishers to see Princess Charlotte outside church in Sandringham on day of her baptism.

Tongue tie: what you need to know

Tongue and lip tie can lead to many problems for babies - and their parents. Here are the signs of tongue tie and how it's treated.

My daughter is small but that doesn't matter

My daughter may be small, but it's my job as her parent to refocus back where it belongs - on who she is as a person

Wet wipes linked to rise in allergic reactions

The government has issued a health warning after a rise in allergic skin reactions has been linked to a preservative found in some wet wipes.

Gay couple in their 80s first to wed in Dallas after Supreme Court ruling

Love may have won, but it came with quite the wait.

William Tyrrell's family marks birthday with cake and renewed appeal

The family of missing boy William Tyrrell will mark his fourth birthday on Friday making a cake to share with friends and family as NSW police renewed their public appeal for information on his disappearance.

What all parents should know about safe babywearing

A picture of Ryan Reynolds always gets the girls talking, and a recently shared photo has done exactly that - but this time, it's for all the wrong reasons.

Baby's head shape reveals potentially fatal condition

Thinking her baby just had an unusually shaped head, a mother was shocked to discover it was instead linked to a dangerous condition.

'Help - my toddler hits me!'

My toddler has started hitting when he gets frustrated, is feeling ignored, or just thinks it might be fun.

Why IVF success rates may not be what you think

Transparency, accountability and responsibilityare essential measures to protect IVF vulnerable patients.

On the 10th anniversary of my son's death

This day marks a significant day. Today marks 10 years since I lost my son Kai.

Mother-in-law 'from hell' inspires survival guide

The happily ever after Nicola Milan had imagined wasn't to be – and she blames her mother-in-law.

Name your baby Quinoa, win a $10K gift card

Choosing a name for your little bundle of joy is always a major decision. It can be something traditional, trendy, creative … or inspired by the menu of your favourite chain restaurant.

Owning a pair of nail scissors does not make me a hairdresser

It's been a whole year since sleeping in until 10am. A whole year since having a peaceful shower.

The 83 children who were tragically let down in the last decade

Over a 10-year period, 83 children died from domestic violence abuse in NSW, with three quarters of the victims aged five years or under, the NSW Ombudsman has revealed.

Expert Q&A: Gross motor skill development in toddlers and preschoolers

Dr Katie Heathershaw answers questions about jumping, toe walking, riding a bike and being pigeon toed.

WIN A $500 VISA DEBIT CARD

Are you a parent, or are you planning to be? Tell us what you think and you'll go in the draw to win a $500 gift card!

Is it reasonable to expect your partner to give up drinking in pregnancy?

From the moment that I fell pregnant with my son, I realised just how much my life had already started to change.

Stroke victim joins class action against makers of popular contraceptive pill

"I was terrified I would always be this way. The pill needs to come with a much higher warning."

Sexy time

Why you should get excited about scheduling sex

Unfortunately, the belief that sex should always be spontaneous is a myth. It just isn't.

When newborn photoshoots get messy

When it comes to newborn photoshoots, it is all about the timing.

Orphaned baby daughter Ayla wakes from coma

Former All Black Jerry Collins' critically injured orphaned daughter has awoken from her coma and is able to bottle-feed.

Dad takes miraculous catch while feeding baby

One American father has taken multitasking to a new level at a Cubs-Dodgers baseball game at Wrigley Field.

'Samuel is our firstborn, and he will never be forgotten'

Having lost their firstborn at one day old, the Carrolls were overjoyed to welcome their daughter Isobel into the world a year later.

Channel 10's Sarah Harris expecting first child

The Studio host Sarah Harris doesn't mind if her first baby is a boy or girl, but she does hope it is born with one thing in particular.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

27 funny ultrasound pictures

Ultrasounds give you a look at your growing baby ... and sometimes what appears to their womb-buddy, or your bub in an amusing position.

The top 6 misleading parenting terms

From 'morning sickness' to 'the terrible twos', there are many parenting terms that are misleading.

When 'good' nannies go bad

While most nannies take pride in their work, there can be some who have a hidden side.

Woman hospitalised for skinny jeans injury

Beware: skinny jeans might be bad for your health.

Gauze seeding: the bacteria-breeding birth trend

A number of women having caesarean deliveries are now taking steps to give their baby a better 'microbiome' start in life.

Jimmy Fallon writes new children's book for dads

Jimmy Fallon, host of NBC's The Tonight Show, recently wrote a children's book about every father's secret wish for their baby's first word to be "dada" - not "mama".

28 names for babies born in winter

Looking for some baby name inspiration for a bub born during the colder months? Here are 28 options from around the world to consider.

The horrible act that sparked a brawl at child's birthday party

The uncle of the seven-year-old girl at the centre of the brawl at child's birthday party in Sydney's west has described the events leading up to the alarming show of violence.

Babies 'benefit from iPads at a young age': study

More often than not, you'll read that screen time for children should be kept to a minimum - but some scientists are now challenging this way of thinking.

Do mums really just obsessively talk about their children?

Natalie Reilly describes three main types of conversations mothers have. And, surprise, they're not all about kids.

Why some dogs might attack babies or young kids

A baby's smell, the noises it makes and even its gaze can contribute to the potential for a dog attack.

Mum demands refund for 'beargina' christening cake

It was meant to be a tasteful cake to help celebrate a three-year-old's christening.

5 things no one warns you about after giving birth

How many times have you been warned about all the sleepless nights you have to 'look forward to' when you become a parent?

Police officer sang nursery rhyme as heartbreaking photo was taken

A police officer arrived at a devastating scene on Thursday: a car crash resulting in all passengers being thrown from the vehicle.

Don't worry, working mums: Just leave Dad in charge at home

Want to open the boardroom doors for women? Encourage - heck, praise - dads who stay home with their children.

Hilaria Baldwin shares post-baby selfie

Just two days after giving birth, actor Alec Balwin's wife posted a post-baby picture on social media.

'Help - my child won't ever do what I ask!'

Compliance is part of the parent-child relationship, but so is resistance. It's all natural.

Postnatal depression support gets $23 million boost in NSW

The Baird government will include $22.8 million in Tuesday's NSW budget to expand a program designed to help parents at risk of postnatal depression (PND).

'I'm just as tired, scared and stressed as you': stay-at-home dad's plea

I'm really lucky to have two great kids, but I found it really tough with so much being aimed at the mothers and not the fathers.

 

Win $500

WIN A $500 VISA DEBIT CARD

Are you are parent or planning to be? We want to know what you think - let us know and you'll be in the draw to win a $500 gift card.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.