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#1 Quack Quack

Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:56 AM

Seriously, I can see how people fall into the trap of buying Puppies from Pet shops.  I have contacted no fewer than 6 seperate breeders over the last 2 weeks.  One has gotten back to me 13 days later to say he has 1 female pup available, when asked when a good time to come and see her would be.... there is no answer again!

I have a loving home waiting for the breed I want, I have the money in my hand to pay and only one breeder has bothered to answer my email and then not bothering to tell me when I can visit to see the puppy he has on offer.  

It would be so much easier to do an impulse buy from a pet shop and atleast be able to talk to the shop assistant! Grrrrrrrrr

** Disclaimer - I would NEVER NEVER NEVER support a pet shop by buying an animal from there, but right now I am teasy!

#2 FiveAus

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:04 AM

I had the same problem when I was considering a particular breed of dog....lots of emails, no replies.  I did eventually get one reply and when I spoke to the breeder on the phone, I decided to get a different breed.New breed chosen, absolutely no problems getting responses.
But I found the best thing is to email breeders who are actually advertising pups for sale.

#3 Sassy Dingo

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:05 AM

Can I add a rescue vent too?

I wanted to get an older dog from a rescue organisation. Found a 2 year old mixed breed (mostly foxy) and emailed them.

They wouldn't let me have her as I have a full time job! The policy of this organisation was that dogs are only appropriate for households with someone home full time. If it was just the temperment of the dog I could understand - if the dog was particularly anxious or something and needed lots of attention, but to not let anyone adopt who had a full time job is a bit crazy.

#4 FiveAus

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:16 AM

Yes I've come across that policy too, although thankfully it wasn't for my own dogs. Until recently, we both worked full time and our dogs got much more attention, exercise, training and company than a lot of dogs where the owner is home all day.

#5 Quack Quack

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:16 AM

Of course you can add your vent biggrin.gif that sucks that they wouldn't let you rescue the foxy... thats like saying "No you can't have children if you work full time"  I am sure you put alot of time and effort into managing a dog and it wasn't just a whim!

Half of the Breeders I have messaged did or do have pups available, 2 of them were ready to go now and still looking for homes.  I guess I will do more chasing, I was spoilt when I emailed the breeder of my Ragdolls... she got back to me straight away and the whole process was easy and fun! That was the first time I had dealt with a proper purebred breeder and it was such a good experience, I thought everyone was like that.

#6 FiveAus

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:18 AM

My daughter has been trying to buy a pedigree Burmese kitten and she is having the same problems. I have given her contacts for breeders, and she can't get anyone to reply to her. The only breeder who has responded is the one I bought my Maine Coon from, and she said she'd love to sell her a kitten, but she doesn't want a MC.

#7 Apageintime

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:24 AM

I found when looking for breeders they were far moreresponsive to phone calls.

When my Grandma used to breed she thought it showedseriousness in your search that you were able to take 20mins out of your day tocall and talk to her so she could get a vibe from you.

So maybe try calling them instead of emailing?

Edited by Apageintime, 01 February 2013 - 09:24 AM.


#8 MrsLexiK

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:32 AM

OP - have you tried to email a rescue group for the specific breed?

QUOTE (Sassy Dingo @ 01/02/2013, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can I add a rescue vent too?

I wanted to get an older dog from a rescue organisation. Found a 2 year old mixed breed (mostly foxy) and emailed them.

They wouldn't let me have her as I have a full time job! The policy of this organisation was that dogs are only appropriate for households with someone home full time. If it was just the temperment of the dog I could understand - if the dog was particularly anxious or something and needed lots of attention, but to not let anyone adopt who had a full time job is a bit crazy.


that is stupid to have a blanket policy. My mum would have missed out as well.  Her dog "works" full time, goes from one desk to another keeping feet warm and making people smile, some years she is even in the Cup Sweep lol.  I know my mum is not the only one that brings her dog to work.

#9 tenar

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:35 AM

When I got my dog (over 14 years ago) I got a list of breeders of the breed from the breed association, and I phoned them one by one until I found someone who

- had a litter expected

- met my expectations of a good breeder in terms of the health monitoring of her dogs and the socialisation of her puppies, was willing for me to come and visit any puppies before they were old enough to leave, etc

- quizzed me about how I was planning to care for my dog when I got her.

I talked to several breeders who had no litters planned at that time, or who had too long a waiting list.  I talked to one who had dogs available but whose ideas about caring for them didn't meet up with my expectations (she wouldn't let dogs go to their new homes until they were 12 weeks old and had their vaccinations, which misses a key window for socialisation and didn't suit me)

Finally I found one who was expecting a litter, sounded good to me, and I must have sounded good to her, because she bumped me up her list to get first pick of that litter, even though she had other people waiting before me.  

The moral is that firstly you can't expect breeders to have dogs available at any time.  Depending on the breed, you may have to wait months (and, I gather, that for some breeds it's a wait of years!).  And also that it's a good idea to talk to people on the phone or in person, as it will give you a better idea of whether their approaches to their dogs will suit you and your family, and it also allows you to let them know that you will care for their puppy well once they sell it to you.

Good luck!

#10 Etta

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:37 AM

When I was looking for a rescue dog on Pet Rescue, I found it hard to get replies from the various rescue organisations who had dogs on the site. It would take days. I finally did get a dog, and even then it took months to get an invoice to pay for her (in the mean time they were asking for donations on their FB site for other rescues). I still haven't got the paperwork to say she is desexed and vaccinated, but luckily the vet did the desexing/microchipping one for me.

I know that the rescue organisations are doing a great job and it is volunteers who are running it, but they would probably do their dogs better service if they were a bit more prompt with things like this.

Like PP, I would NOT go to a petshop, but I was tempted at times.

#11 la di dah

Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:40 AM

The only breeder I spoke to on the phone all but pitched a puppy at my head.

I'd only called her to tell her "do you know someone is selling one of your puppies on gum tree? That surely can't be right...?" because she was from Dogz Online and they were selling on.

I guess she counted that as a "responsible if not wildly uptight nosy old biddy" character reference? roll2.gif

I have only had cats through rescue. Each time we set out to get a cat (have done it twice now) the rescues were very happy to see us, once because one was an all-black kitten and they have a harder time getting adopted and the other because he was a sickly little orphan and she had 30 some odd cats in her house. I wasn't trying to get a purebreed through rescue though - I have seen those get snatched up very quickly, especially Ragdolls and other longhairs. I just wanted a moggie and it was kitten season, so very very easy.

My vent is for breeders selling weird wrong-for-breed sizes and colours but with "names" so Royal/Teacup or Rare Longhairs or whatever and they want to act like that's a selling point. The big breeds I like have weirdos selling Royals (extra-large, beyond breed standard) and all I can think of is their poor hips, and the small breeds I like have weirdos selling Pinhead Teacups or whatever the ****. Argh. I like to hope people actually want a dog the size they come in? Possibly?

#12 Quack Quack

Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:40 PM

Yay! Success!  I rang a breeder who I hadn't emailed and she was so lovely biggrin.gif Had a nice long chat to her and she is planning a little in July which I have been able to Put my name down for a puppy and pay a deposit when she asks for it!
One of the breeders with an available Puppy right now she actually knows of, I asked her about him and she in a very round about way told me to steer very clear of. So I think I might have dodged a bullet there wink.gif

I don't mind waiting, as long as I know there will be exactly what I need at the end of the wait.  thanks girls xx

#13 Guest_~Coffee~_*

Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:53 PM

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Edited by *SnowFlower*, 20 February 2013 - 04:59 PM.


#14 Quack Quack

Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:00 PM

did you get your Pup in the end?  unsure.gif

#15 Z-girls rock

Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE (Sassy Dingo @ 01/02/2013, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They wouldn't let me have her as I have a full time job! The policy of this organisation was that dogs are only appropriate for households with someone home full time. If it was just the temperment of the dog I could understand - if the dog was particularly anxious or something and needed lots of attention, but to not let anyone adopt who had a full time job is a bit crazy.


agree. Agree. AGREE!!

to the OP - what breed are you looking for? Many of the breed clubs have their own rescues.

that might be a better avenue the the breeders directly.

#16 FiveAus

Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:20 PM

QUOTE (~Coffee~ @ 01/02/2013, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had my name on a waiting list for nearly 2 years. I kept getting told I was at the top and would get a pup from the litter, 3 litters went past and NO pup offered, they were all taken  rant.gif . This is meant to be a top breeder as well but all tey do is play games with people, disgusting!.


The top breeders don't breed litters for no reason, and they certainly don't breed litters just to sell. Litters are produced for a specific purpose, usually because the breeder wants a pup or two to keep their lines going, and there may be other associated breeders who also want pups from those lines to complement their own work.So, there may be no surplus puppies once the breeder, owner of the sire and others associated with that breeders lines have taken their pick, especially if they have small litters.
It's not disgusting, it's responsible breeding. However, aside from the very, very rare breeds, there are multiple breeders in this country for most breeds of dogs.

#17 Z-girls rock

Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

Also OP -

try the pound.
I dont know where you live but you can look online with some pounds like this:
http://services.blacktown.nsw.gov.au/petso...e/Rehomers.aspx
just put in the type of breeds you are interested in and press search.

we got our beautiful girl from this place (above). She is awesome.
It is easy to because I knew the one I wanted before I got there. Just asked at the desk to see "Dog number 77412" and they brought her out for me. Otherwise I would have gotten too sad and wanted to take them all home.

#18 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 01 February 2013 - 03:53 PM

I got my rescue dog from *Ker*. She's a pure bred Norwegian Elkhound, so quite rare.

Speaking of which, is anyone interested in rehoming a 10yo male, desexed Elkhound in desperate need of a home?

#19 FiveAus

Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:00 PM

Yes, my rescue dog came from Australian Shepherd Rescue in WA. She came desexed, microchipped and complete with a main register pedigree so I've showed her in neuter classes. I've also titled her in herding, so she now has letters after her name to denote her proficiency in herding sheep. She's an absolutely brilliant little dog.

However, when I enquired about her, they told me that because she'd been bounced around a fair bit, they were being extremely fussy about who she was placed with as they wanted this home to be her very last one.They had turned down multiple applicants because they felt they just weren't quite right.

#20 steppy

Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:17 PM

This is the way of the future I think. Probably better for there to be undersupply than oversupply though. However, can't help feeling amused in advance at all the pet lovers who just won't be able to get a dog in the future without using the very backyard breeders they revile.

#21 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:59 PM

I think that it would be far better if BYB and puppy mills were put out of business, because then there would be scope for an increase in ethical registered breeders.



#22 Oriental lily

Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:22 PM

I think the thing you need to remember is ethical registered breeders are not businesses. Rarely they are breeding to sell pups.
Most breed because they want a particular pup for themselves or other breeders.

So customer service is far far down the list of priorities.

They are just everyday people who are living busy lives so they will often not read Emails or will forget about phone calls. Their breeding is a hobby that they fit within in their other hectic going ons.

Breeding is also not an exact science. They might plan for two litters in a particular year and one b**ch never comes on heat and the other reabsorbs the pups.

So no pups that year.

Or out of a whole litter they might get some stunners that goes to show homes or breeder keeps for their own showing and breeding.


Another hint is that 'pups available' is often out of date. So while it might say pups are available they are long gone.
And the breeder does not update it.


Bottom line is that breeders are not dog selling businesses.

So yeah it will be tricky to get in touch with some and secure a pup.
But if you are patient and keep trying you will succeed.


#23 Epitome

Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:52 PM

Most breeders I have come across are pretty hopeless when it comes to the internet... not out of spite or to be difficult, but thats just not a focus.

I always call.  As a PP said, the good ones arent necessarily business savvy so they're more focussed on their dogs than making a profit/customer service.

Also go to a dog show and meet them in person, they're more likely to remember you then too

#24 FeralLIfeHacker

Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:00 PM

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Edited by lifehacker, 09 February 2013 - 10:07 PM.


#25 FiveAus

Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:09 PM

Most of the breeders I know....and I know heaps.....are very internet savvy and network on Facebook and have websites.
And none of them would dream of not answering emails.

But I suppose there are some who are just rude a*s*holes.




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