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#1 paula1

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:24 PM

In the last 2 years I've unfortunately had to make many phone calls to the child support agency (csa).

I have an ex husband who is paying $10 per week in total in child support for our 2 boys. He'd pay 20 cents if that was all that csa required him to pay.
He works full time and has just recently made a new income estimate of $20,000

#2 paula1

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

Oops I accidentally posted before I finished...

I'll continue in a minute!

#3 erindiv

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

I know you're not finished but I have a little bit I can say based on what you've posted.

The CSA are bound by all sorts of rules and regulations, and if a man tries hard enough he can avoid paying. Easily. There has been a thread on here reccently about it.

Personally, I've had no problems, but from what I've read on here I'm definitely in the minority.

#4 swimmingalong

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

you can protest all you like over the phone, it wont get you anywhere... you need to follow thru with paperwork, ie a coa reason *

#5 Mpjp is feral

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE (erindiv @ 30/01/2013, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know you're not finished but I have a little bit I can say based on what you've posted.

The CSA are bound by all sorts of rules and regulations, and if a man tries hard enough he can avoid paying. Easily. There has been a thread on here reccently about it.

Personally, I've had no problems, but from what I've read on here I'm definitely in the minority.



Actually its not just men!!!

I pay CS for my ex (who has 35% care). He does all manner of things to get CS from me.  Hides income - he has his own business so this is super easy, and that doesnt include all the legitimate tax breaks that small business owners get. It makes it very easy to have a low taxable income.

I find it bizarre that CSA don't care about some basics - if a person is spending WAAAAY more than they are reporting that they are earning then wouldn't this be cause to look a little more closely? My ex reports a weekly income of a certain amount but his basic costs (rent, mortgage on IP's etc etc ) are about 4 times that amount!

I also find it BIZARRE that he can get an almost 7 figure inheritance (so is way wealthier than I) but this mean nothing.


And lastly I find it bizarre that he can not do tax returns for YEARS and YEARS and I have to keep paying the same set amount - but if, when he does lodge his tax returns he has a lower income than the year he lodged the application - then I will be massively (like 6-7 years worth) in arrears!!

I hate the system!!

#6 paula1

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

Ok, so he has estimated his income to be $20,000 less per year, that's why I now receive $10 per week for two kids.
It frustrates me that this is acceptable, I understand that this may be a legitimate reason for "some" people but it's not for many.

I find it extremely stressful having to call csa, usually while I'm at work to question letters etc.
As my ex husband's lifestyle doesn't reflect his new lesser income, I've put in for a review and change of assessment.

It just seems like a waste of time, resources and such a dysfunctional system. This could have been nipped in the bud when he rang to make the initial new income estimate. I don't believe that such a minimum should be allowed.
None of his other bills reduce in amount because he has by choice taken a huge pay cut. His foxtel, gas, rent etc. don't change but his child support goes to $10!!

I feel so annoyed as I'm just powerless and having to deal with such a flawed and ridiculous system drives me insane!

Has anyone else had similar experiences?

Edited by paula1, 30 January 2013 - 04:44 PM.


#7 paula1

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

I've just found it really draining as its an ongoing battle.

I don't expect to be paid massive amounts of money BUT $10 is an insult.

It would make it so much easier if he was decent enough to at least buy a pair of school shoes or a uniform, pay for swimming lessons or even a haircut!


#8 ~~HappyMummy~~

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

He must submit tax returns with a similar figure to $20000.  Or else he would have to pay you the extra after his tax has been processed if he really earned more than his estimate.  

It would be automatically arranged after his tax return.

Maybe he does earn $20k?


#9 erindiv

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE (paula1 @ 30/01/2013, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've just found it really draining as its an ongoing battle.

I don't expect to be paid massive amounts of money BUT $10 is an insult.

It would make it so much easier if he was decent enough to at least buy a pair of school shoes or a uniform, pay for swimming lessons or even a haircut!



It is an insult. I'm sorry that you (and so many others) are having to deal with this kind of crap.

As PP have said, it's the legislation that needs changing.

#10 paula1

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:54 PM

No, he doesn't earn that much!
He couldn't afford to live on that amount.

He is now a sub contractor so he pays himself a wage, ever so conveniently. He is in the exact same industry so he hasn't had to pay for any new tools or equipment.

He does cash work too but that's totally ok as I can't prove it!

Edited by paula1, 30 January 2013 - 04:56 PM.


#11 hiddensecrets

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:02 PM

Seeing as there is a federal election in September maybe its time to lobby the federal government? I know it might not change anything but if enough of us make noise it might get heard at some point?

#12 Feral-Lausii

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:04 PM

I love reading these child support threads with comments from people who have obviously never had to deal with the CSA. Hilarious.

They are useless. I have simply given up ever seeing a cent for my kids. The useless ex can not lodge tax returns year on end to avoid paying. They can quit work once their pay starts getting garnished  so then it can take many months if not a year to find their new work place and get his pay garnished. The CSA WILL NOT try to find where they are working, they ask you to do it. And then when you do manage to find out they take their sweet time getting money out of them. Only for him to leave and go work elsewhere and continue not supporting their kids.  sad.gif

I could go on and on with my battle with them over the years. I do not even bother ringing them anymore. Waste of time.

#13 paula1

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

Anything that I tell them has to be "evidence based".
Yesterday I faxed speech therapy receipts because if I want to do a change of assessment in the hope that he pays for half.

He can just call them and make new income estimate but no need for it to be evidence based!

It's just unfair, flawed and there is no sense behind it.
I wonder what idiot actually sat there and thought all of this up....

#14 Ariah888

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

The whole system is bunk. Why is the CSA always so nasty when it comes to enforcing monetary support. Your tax return will be docked any amount they deem to be unpaid before you even see it. This happened to my husband it ended up being a 6 month battle to get the $1000 dollars back they took because they made a paperwork mistake. And his new family desperately needed they money (He only earns a minimum wage so this is alot of money).
There is no reciprocal agency to make sure he can see his daughter. It would take thousands of dollars in legal action to even go there as she refuses to go to mediation. He hasn't seen her in 7 years. We wouldn't even know if she is healthy and happy or anything along these lines.
Unfortunately it is the state of having the government take care of family issues.

#15 JustMe&Us

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

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Edited by great8, 30 January 2013 - 06:14 PM.


#16 unicorn

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE (paula1 @ 30/01/2013, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've just found it really draining as its an ongoing battle.

I don't expect to be paid massive amounts of money BUT $10 is an insult.

It would make it so much easier if he was decent enough to at least buy a pair of school shoes or a uniform, pay for swimming lessons or even a haircut!


Believe me it's much less stressful to forgo the pathetic amount and give up on it all together.
I get $13 a month for 3 kids. He is earning cash in hand driving around in a brand new 4wd and he and his new wife have just spent thousands completely renovating their house and they take regular trips OS. I tried to get a change of assessment but honestly after living with the abuser for so long, and it seems that the CSA prying into my life to justify why he should be paying more than a loaf of bread a week is bullsh*t. So myself and I am sure countless other parents like me miss out due to the Change of assessment process.

#17 HarperLeeAndMe

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:21 PM

Do these men see their children at all?



#18 paula1

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

Unicorn, I have enquired about receiving nothing but apparently It will interfere with any centrelink payments I get ie. family tax.

Not sure why he has an option to not even pay for half of activities, school uniforms, medical bills etc.
I don't have that option when I'm standing at the counter about to pay for a term of swimming lessons or medical bill.

I hope one day when the boys are older they see him for what he is.

I think the best advice I can give to myself is to have a good life and enjoy the beautiful boys that I have. I've just bought a house and am thrilled to bits.
That doesn't take away from the fact that I expect a father to contribute financially to his kids....


#19 peach*face

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:32 PM

I am getting the same amount for my children Op- he earns at least 80 000 p.a.  It is the pits. My ex doesn't try and see them either. He hasn't for years.
Some people are sick and simply do not love their children.

Edited by peach*face, 30 January 2013 - 07:33 PM.


#20 tidey2

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

The whole system is unfair and is in desperate need of overhauling. When my DH and I separated my CS assessment came back at $30 per month while he was paying his ex wife in excess of $1000 per month.

Now we are back together he is still paying that amount to the ex and she's now gone and got herself pregnant AGAIN to the same junkie who fathered her last child. Guess who's going to pay for that kid on top supplying his children with all their educational and clothing needs. We were told that we couldn't submit the things we are directly paying for as a non agency payment as she wouldn't agree.

It's unfair that some men get away with not paying or paying insulting amounts like $10 and others get pushed to the point of bankruptcy with the amount they have to pay.

I really have a lot of respect for the women who struggle through without the financial support of their children's fathers. I also have a lot of disgust for these women who accept huge dollars and don't use it to benefit their children. The system is terribly flawed.

#21 paula1

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

Their father does see them 4 nights a fortnight.
This increased from 2 nights when he found out that if he had them more days he might get more money from the sale of our house.

He said this to the family counsellor ordered by the court.

#22 Red Cabbage

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:45 PM

My ex used to pay a measly amount, now, he pays nothing, with no explanation other than, "I'm no longer working".

I've attempted to find out if he plans on ever working again etc, to no avail. He always wanted to be a stay at home dad when we were together, so I am assuming he has now achieved this in his new life.

#23 Holidayromp

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

QUOTE (tidey2 @ 30/01/2013, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The whole system is unfair and is in desperate need of overhauling. When my DH and I separated my CS assessment came back at $30 per month while he was paying his ex wife in excess of $1000 per month.

Now we are back together he is still paying that amount to the ex and she's now gone and got herself pregnant AGAIN to the same junkie who fathered her last child. Guess who's going to pay for that kid on top supplying his children with all their educational and clothing needs. We were told that we couldn't submit the things we are directly paying for as a non agency payment as she wouldn't agree.

It's unfair that some men get away with not paying or paying insulting amounts like $10 and others get pushed to the point of bankruptcy with the amount they have to pay.

I really have a lot of respect for the women who struggle through without the financial support of their children's fathers. I also have a lot of disgust for these women who accept huge dollars and don't use it to benefit their children. The system is terribly flawed.


Why is he paying CS for kids that are not even his?  That doesn't seem right.  I would be looking at reviewing that one plus a paternity test for the next kid to ensure he pays NOTHING.

#24 Cat©

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

Mine has just buggered off again, flitting somewhere around the globe, stopped paying again - even though he only paid for 1 year (out of 14!).

So now the $38,000 he owes just mounts up even more, and when they do catch him, he pays while he likes the job (or more likely has some lady to impress) then he vanishes again for another 1-2 years with an alias or to some other country.

Im holding the hope that one day he will grow up and face responsibility, but considering hes 48 this year I cant see it happening!

#25 Froger

Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:26 PM

The blame does not lie with a "dysfunctional" CSA. The blame lies squarely with the deadbeat dysfunctional fathers (rarely mothers). There is only so much the CSA can do with these dipsh*ts who refuse to pay to take care of their kids.

QUOTE (mintjoolips @ 30/01/2013, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do these men see their children at all?


What's that got to do with it? Children still cost money even when the men aren't looking at them.

Edited by SarahM72, 30 January 2013 - 08:26 PM.





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