Jump to content

How are classes decided?
Anyone know?


  • Please log in to reply
44 replies to this topic

#1 lovebeingamum76

Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:28 PM

Hi

Just wondered if anyone knows how classes are decided at school? Who goes into composites ect... My daughter is year 1 and all the girls that were in the same level as my daughter are all in diff classes.

TIA

#2 fancie

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:19 PM


At my DD's primary school (she's now in yr 8) the school "mixed" up the classes each year so that there was a "spread" of academic performance and also of behaviour so that no one teacher got a class of easy to teach children or for that matter a class of children with learning difficulties or challenging behaviour.

When DD was placed in a composite 2/3 class I asked what criteria was used to decide which children were to be placed in this composite class, the reply was children who were able to work independently and had no learning difficulties were selected.  That proved to be alsolute bullsh*t.

While the class had a number of children from both years who were able to work independently there were 6 newly arrived refugee children who had no english language at all and 4 children whose behaviour regularly warranted the rest of the class being evacuated from the classroom safety reasons.

It was a very difficult year for DD not only due to the mix of students but also that the teacher was having to teach across 2 different stages - stage 1 (yr 1-2) and stage 2 (3-4) NSW.

#3 Sassy Dingo

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:29 PM

This is a while ago so the info might not be current, but my mother was a teacher's aide and used to help do the class allocation each year.

Basically the children were divided into groups - easy high performance kids, standard run of the mill kids and kids who needed extra help. Then they evenly split each group among how many classes there were in the year.

#4 Belinda18

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

At my school it is a long and complicated process. First we ask the children who they think they would work well with in a class. They are asked to give the names of 3 boys and 3 girls who they would like to be with, with the understanding that we will do our best to put them with at least one of those people. Then the classroom teachers look at the kids' needs - to try and 'even things out' as far as special needs, and making sure that no one class has a large concentration of brighter kids or lower achieving kids. The current teachers of the classes going together (eg. The grade 1 teachers to make the grade 2 classes) get together and start making lists. Usually the lists begin with any children we feel need to be separated for any reason, such as personality clashes, avoiding family members being together, etc. Some parents also request that their child not be placed with certain others and we have to consider that too.

The first meeting to organise this usually finished with a rough draft of how we think its going to look. Usually takes about 2 hours. Then about a week later we meet again to re-jig things based on what we have thought of since. In recent years we have got the groups together for rotational activities to see if anyone can see any obvious reasons not to have certain children together.

The process generally takes about a month. If there is a composite class to be made when there are other straight grades, the children chosen to go in depend on the make-up of the class. For example a 1/2 class that has mostly grade 1s in would have independent working grade 2s that are not the lowest but working at the average level so they wouldn't be too bored with the grade 1s. If it is mostly grade 2s then the 1s chosen would be the kids who would cope well with some extension. Of course this is not to say its always done this way. It really can get rather complicated - I hope this makes sense as I'm on my iPhone! Oh and this is just how it's done at my school, of course other schools may be completely different!

#5 againagain

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE
Basically the children were divided into groups - easy high performance kids, standard run of the mill kids and kids who needed extra help. Then they evenly split each group among how many classes there were in the year.


That was how our school explained it too. They also take into consideration making sure each child has a friend or two (from a list of 5 that the children choose) and being careful of any clashes of behaviour etc.

#6 mumto3princesses

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:30 PM

At our primary school they try to do an even mix of abilities in each class unless they decide to do a gifted and talented class which they don't do very often. They will have a list of kids they need to be seperated for various reasons. Some need to be seperated as they may have had bullying issues while others like my DD#2 and her best friend need to be apart as they just can't leave each other alone and distract each other too much. There are others that tend to play off each other which need to be apart too.

Our years 3/4 and 5/6 are always composites (3 classes of 3/4 and 3 classes of 5/6) and they do other composites due to numbers. The K/1 or 2/3 composites are usually the more independant workers as they cover different work. The 1/2 composites are treated just the same as a normal year 1 or year 2 class.

Our classes are just temporary at the moment and won't be finalised until next week but my twins have been put in a class with no friends at all. They said there is just them plus 3 other girls from their year who aren't from either of their friend groups. (And 2 have never been in either of their classes before)

#7 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:37 PM

Don't they put kids into composite classes if they know their parents aren't the type to complain?

#8 .Jerry.

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

I am a primary school principal. ph34r.gif

Interesting to read the perspectives here...
Some are correct...

#9 R2B2

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Old Grey Mare @ 30/01/2013, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't they put kids into composite classes if they know their parents aren't the type to complain?


the parents at our school that found out today their kids are in composite classes are up in arms over it wink.gif

#10 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:50 PM

Sorry this is a bit of a "I've been living under a rock" question but what exactly are composite classes...? Are they a combined yr 1, yr 2 class ( for example) ...

Why do schools have them? And indeed do all schools have them?

dS1 is in yr 1 local state school (nsw Sydney) ...as far as I know his school doesn't have them, does that sound right?

Why are they undesirable?

#11 Kreme

Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

At our school they have just abandoned their previous practice of letting the kids nominate  a couple of friends they would like to be placed with. So now it is solely the teachers who decide.

They sent out a document last year outlining the guidelines. Basically they aim to have parallel classes across the year, with a range of academic abilities. DD was at the top of her class last year (FYOS) and none of the other kids from the top group are in her new class.

With composites they said the criteria was ability to work independently, maturity, etc. But they also aim to not have kids in the lower grade who are likely to outperform the kids from the higher grade. There is a composite 2/1 class this year but DD isnt in it, which I am happy about.

One thing I was interested to see was that DD was the only girl from her class who was not placed in a class with a friend. There were 6 FYOS classes last year and 5.5 Year 1 classes. DD is the sort of kid who is very independent and mature and gets on with everyone. So I don't know whether it was deliberate to put her in a different class or just how things worked out. She had 5 good friends last year. 3 of them are in one class, 2 are in another class and DD is on her own. I know she'll be fine, but she's a little sad about it.

#12 hoohoobump

Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:05 PM

I don't get the huge issue with composites. Every class has a huge range of abilities, regardless of he exact age of the kids.

#13 Expelliarmus

Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:08 PM

Composite or multi year level classes are sometimes a numbers game and are not undesirable. Many parents still believe they are a bad thing but educationally they are valid.

The basic 'rule' is everybody has a friend, everybody has an academic peer and no class has too many challenging or complex children.

OP, what do you mean by same level as your DD? There must be more that one year 1 girl in the class.

#14 *Ker*

Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

Both my kids are in composite classes - DD is R/1 (but there are only two receptions) and DS is in 2/3. I'm not entirely happy about DS, but all year 3 classes are composite 2/3 this year. His teacher, however, is the same one he had last year and she knows to extend him in maths.

With ours, we were asked who we wanted our kids with. I was explicit about him not having a particular teacher and also that he be separated from a friend. The friend is nice, but they muck up too much in class together and both get in trouble. I got what I asked for in both cases.


#15 Ritaroo

Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:59 PM

In my experience composite classes are just for numbers where they need to make classes smaller but there is too many or too little to make a full class of one year level. We organise our classes by evenly distributing academic abilities and behaviour as well. Then of course we have to go back to the drawing board several times due to parents turning up in tears in the principals office because their  child doesn't have enough friends in their class or they want a particular teacher.

Edited by Ritaroo, 30 January 2013 - 07:00 PM.


#16 Ianthe

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:09 PM

Our school has 9 composite classes and 10 non composites. All the 5/6 kids are in four 5/6 classes. They had all 3/4 classes last year too. But this year there are two straight Year 3 classes and a 2/3. I wouldn't be thrilled with a composite across stages but I have seen no adverse affects with my kids being in a lot of composite classes (this year they have a K/1, a 2/3 and a 4/5 class).

#17 libbylu

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:12 PM

Our kids were allowed to write down a list of names of kids they would like to be in a class with the following year. They were told by the teachers that they would try to put them in with three on their list. It is a big school, but DS is in with all five kids he wrote down. I don't know if this is a good thing or not, as three of the five have some behavioural issues, and I feel a bit sorry for the teacher who has copped all three of them.  They are also quite distracting to DS who has no issues himself.
I just have to trust that the school knows what they are doing.

#18 libbylu

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:14 PM

QUOTE (Ritaroo @ 30/01/2013, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In my experience composite classes are just for numbers where they need to make classes smaller but there is too many or too little to make a full class of one year level. We organise our classes by evenly distributing academic abilities and behaviour as well. Then of course we have to go back to the drawing board several times due to parents turning up in tears in the principals office because their  child doesn't have enough friends in their class or they want a particular teacher.


Our school practices 'multi age learning'.  The preps are in single grade level classes, but all other classes are either composite 1,2,3 or composite 4,5,6.  It is a medium/large school and they do this because of the benefits they perceive.

#19 Bob-the-skull

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:15 PM

our school is pretty much mostly composite classes... i think the only exception is a stand alone reception class (first year of school in SA)

i think the way they roughly work it (or so it seems) is that if your child is doing well academically they will go in to the composite with the higher year above them, and for those not so well the year below them. then from there they look at groups of children who should try and be separated for theirs and the classes/teachers benefits, then make sure they have the rough number of girls/boys and have tried to fit in to parent requests.

#20 Ritaroo

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

QUOTE (libbylu @ 30/01/2013, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Our school practices 'multi age learning'.  The preps are in single grade level classes, but all other classes are either composite 1,2,3 or composite 4,5,6.  It is a medium/large school and they do this because of the benefits they perceive.


That sounds like a great idea. Composite classes do have great benefits.

#21 mumto3princesses

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE (Lucretia Borgia @ 30/01/2013, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry this is a bit of a "I've been living under a rock" question but what exactly are composite classes...? Are they a combined yr 1, yr 2 class ( for example) ...

Why do schools have them? And indeed do all schools have them?

dS1 is in yr 1 local state school (nsw Sydney) ...as far as I know his school doesn't have them, does that sound right?

Why are they undesirable?


Yes composites are combined classes. If they are a 1/2 or 3/4 or 5/6 and they really make no difference except for having kids a year younger or older in their class as those years cover the curriculum over 2 years. So say the solar system for example. Some may cover it in Year 3 while others will be in Year 4. The K(or FYOS)/1 or 2/3 or 4/5 are different as each year needs to cover different topics but with a good teacher its not an issue.

Some people can't see how big the differences are even in a straight year class I guess. Everyone is different and is at different levels for all subjects, even my twins.

My DD#1 went through years 3 to 6 in composites and having been in composites was good for her when she went to high school as she had a few friends from primary school that she could go to if she needed help finding where to go.

Then my twins were in a 2/3 composite and will be in composites for the rest of primary. That was actually a really good year for them and there was no issues. DD#3 was also in a K/1 in Kindergarten (so has only had Year 1 in a straight year class). Her twin sister was in a straight Kindergarten class and I honestly found there was no difference in regards to what they learnt except that DD#3 said that the Year 1's did different work to her.

#22 LittleMissPink

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

Our school only has about 140 students, so only 6 classes anyaway. K, K/1, 2, 3, 4/5, and 6.

We dont get a choice!

#23 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE (mumto3princesses @ 30/01/2013, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes composites are combined classes. If they are a 1/2 or 3/4 or 5/6 and they really make no difference except for having kids a year younger or older in their class as those years cover the curriculum over 2 years. So say the solar system for example. Some may cover it in Year 3 while others will be in Year 4. The K(or FYOS)/1 or 2/3 or 4/5 are different as each year needs to cover different topics but with a good teacher its not an issue.

Some people can't see how big the differences are even in a straight year class I guess. Everyone is different and is at different levels for all subjects, even my twins.

My DD#1 went through years 3 to 6 in composites and having been in composites was good for her when she went to high school as she had a few friends from primary school that she could go to if she needed help finding where to go.

Then my twins were in a 2/3 composite and will be in composites for the rest of primary. That was actually a really good year for them and there was no issues. DD#3 was also in a K/1 in Kindergarten (so has only had Year 1 in a straight year class). Her twin sister was in a straight Kindergarten class and I honestly found there was no difference in regards to what they learnt except that DD#3 said that the Year 1's did different work to her.

Thanks for that original.gif


#24 kadoodle

Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

When I was teaching, there was an emphasis in breaking up challenging cliques, spreading around the troublemakers and spreading around the students who needed extra support.  This was high school though, primary may be more nurturing in approach.

My kids' school has single sex classes for grade 6 this year, which is interesting.  4 classes of boys and one of girls.

#25 Expelliarmus

Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

QUOTE (-*meh*- @ 30/01/2013, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
our school is pretty much mostly composite classes... i think the only exception is a stand alone reception class (first year of school in SA)

i think the way they roughly work it (or so it seems) is that if your child is doing well academically they will go in to the composite with the higher year above them, and for those not so well the year below them. then from there they look at groups of children who should try and be separated for theirs and the classes/teachers benefits, then make sure they have the rough number of girls/boys and have tried to fit in to parent requests.

The bold is an urban legend and not at all true. It's widely disseminated between parents, but it is not part of the placement process in modern pedagogy.

My experience has been that the numbers of each year level per class are pre determined before the placement starts. It is then the responsibility of the teaching staff to spread the challenging behaviours, learning difficulties and sexes between the available classes.






1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

How to talk about your pregnancy at work

The workplace isn't always a friendly place for pregnant women. Yet working women inclined to conceal a pregnancy from prying coworkers may be better off opening up and carrying on, according to a new study.

Tell us your story to win!

To celebrate Mother's Day this year we are giving you the chance to win one of five great prizes simply by telling us your story.

Where to get help to help your baby sleep

There is so much pressure about having a baby who sleeps 'all night' , it's no wonder you worry about your baby if she wakes in the night.

Vintage baby names having a comeback

What makes some names have comebacks while others silently fade into oblivion? A few factors come into play.

When your partner doesn't want you to breastfeed

Dads can have many reasons for not wanting their partners to breastfeed their baby, but both parents should learn more about it before making a final decision.

Model mum Sarah Stage shares post-baby selfie

Most new mums would recoil at the thought, but Sarah Stage has shared a post-pregnancy selfie just four days after giving birth.

I'll admit it: I have last child parenting fatigue

If you're a new mum and feeling ignored by the older mum/the old hand/the has-been, please know, it's not you, it's me. Blame the last child parenting fatigue.

Exhaustion is not the same as tiredness

Having a new baby isn't tiring - it can be downright exhausting.

Five posterior babies, four home births

I was on a high. I'd done it all by myself with no help from anyone.

Mum's list of birthday gift demands goes viral

We're big fans of kids' birthday parties - but this is one bash we're glad we didn't get an invite to.

Kate Middleton to receive 'loyalty discount' for second birth

Everybody loves a bargain - including the Duchess of Cambridge.

Fish & chip shop owner's sad note goes viral

A lengthy note put on the window of a fish & chip shop has gone viral due to the writer's serious doubts about the romance of travel.

Pregnant women need good nutrition advice, not judgment

Pregnant women are under pressure to do all the "right things" to have a healthy child. It results in women feeling judged about their decisions.

When your child wants you to have another baby

Giving your child a sibling when you don't want to have another baby can be a complex issue.

William Tyrrell's mum speaks out: 'We hope he is still alive'

The mother of missing toddler William Tyrrell says she has a vision that somebody "picked him up and moved him on ... that's the only way ... to explain for him not to be there".

Family comes first for 23-year-old Tommy Connolly

Most 23-year-old blokes spend their hard earned cash on fun times with mates or romantic dinners with their girlfriend, but not Tommy Connolly.

Newborn all-girl quintuplets 'doing great'

The first all-female quintuplets born in the United States were delivered last week, at 28 weeks and two days.

Model mum's big baby silences critics

He may be less than a week old, but baby James Hunter has already helped his model mum silence her critics.

Jammy, Hula Hoop, Rage: Reddit reveals most unusual baby names

A recent Reddit thread has revealed some of the more creative names in the world.

Woman awakens from coma, learns she gave birth

A US woman awakened this week from a four-month-long coma that doctors had feared would be permanent and learned that she had given birth to a baby boy, according to her family.

'Give us a break': mum sent shocking letter over Facebook baby pics

Posting a lot of baby photos doesn't make you a bad person. It may make your Facebook feed a little irritating, but it doesn't make you a bad person.

In defense of the dads who do so much

It's time to shift the focus off what dads aren’t doing and shine it on what they are.

The modern cloth nappies too cute to cover up

If you're only just joining the modern cloth nappy movement, or would like to spruce up your collection, we have to introduce you to Designer Bums.

How breastfeeding can affect your libido

When you’ve just had a baby, having sex isn’t usually top priority. In fact, for a lot of women it rates about as appealing as changing another dirty nappy.

Should pregnant women be allowed to use 'parent and child' car parking spots?

Is it acceptable to use these car parking spots when pregnant? How many of us would admit to doing it?

Healthy baby from sperm taken 48 hours after a man died

Fertility doctors have described their "most extraordinary case" - creating a healthy baby from sperm taken 48 hours after a man had died.

Sign up to our 30 days of #PlayIQ challenge

Sign up to receive 30 amazing tips and ideas for play with baby during the month of April and submit a picture or tip on our social wall for a chance to win an amazing Fisher-Price prize pack.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Last chance to win a year's supply of toys

You have less than a week left to win your child one of five Fisher-Price toy packs valued at over $600 each - hurry, enter today!

Childcare is a big problem, but there's more to it

Let’s keep talking about these issues and not allow them to be put into a neat little box that’s labelled ‘Fix childcare and everything is solved’.

Pink's awesome response to body-shaming trolls

When trolls felt the need to comment on 35-year-old singer-songwriter Pink's weight, her answer was an awesome ode to body love.

Fertility clinic offers egg donors $5000

A national chain of fertility clinics is offering egg donors a $5000 payment to cover their expenses, a first for Australia which is raising concerns the money could act as an inducement.

Baby boy abandoned in India amid fresh surrogacy concerns

Australian officials could do nothing to stop an Australian couple from abandoning their baby son, born through surrogacy in India, after they decided they did not want to bring him to Australia.

Herd immunity and community responsibility: how free-riders can make kids suffer

Individual choice works for haircuts and handbags, but not for preventing infectious diseases that kill kids.

Photographer captures 'unexpected beauty' of birth

If there is one thing Leilani Rogers knows about childbirth, it is that no two deliveries are ever the same.

Expectations vs the reality of making a toddler's clothes

Note to self: less sewing, more life. Not the party dress, but the party. The toddler, as usual, has it all figured out.

Mum meets 'dead' daughter 49 years after birth

In 1965, Zella Jackson-Price was told her premature baby girl had died shortly after birth.

How pregnancy probiotics can help you and your baby

New research suggests that taking specific pregnancy probiotics could be the answer to a range of common pregnancy side effects.

53 creative pregnancy announcements

Announcing that you're expecting can be a time to express your creativity, sense of humour and imagination. Check out how other parents and parents-to-be have broken the news to friends and family.

IKEA hacks for the nursery and kids' rooms

Are you one of those that know the whole IKEA catalogue by heart? Love their stuff but want to personalise it? Here's some inspiration to help you realise the potential of IKEA furniture and fittings.

36 baby names inspired by food and drinks

A French court may have ruled out Nutella as a baby name, but that doesn't have to stop you from taking inspiration from the supermarket (or bottle shop). See what parents in the US have chosen for their delicious little ones.

 

ENTER NOW!

Win a year's worth of toys

Last week to submit a picture of your baby at play for your chance to win. Visit the Play Wall to view our recent entries.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.