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#1 Oriental lily

Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-watc...0129-2dif9.html


Almost identical to the Andrew muirhead defense.
How sickening that they are getting theses psychologists to support the defense.

Who knew that watching children being emotionally, psychologically and physically raped could work just as good as popping a couple of Valium  rolleyes.gif .
All this great stress relief that these people are getting yet are not paedophiles. rolleyes.gif
And are getting no sexual gratification from it.


What a croc!


I really wonder how some defense lawyers look at themselves in the mirror every morning.
They must be so proud.

#2 erindiv

Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:20 PM

GAHHHH. My brain hurts.

#3 StopTheGoats

Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:29 PM

He was bored and had marital problems? That's why they invented golf, not child porn. Dickbag.

#4 Fr0g

Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:30 PM

That's a pretty standard paedophile response to explain their compulsions (stress reduction). I think the contributing factors aren't always used to mitigate the severity, though - I hope the sentencing reflects that.

#5 BetteBoop

Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:33 PM

QUOTE (Oriental lily @ 29/01/2013, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really wonder how some defense lawyers look at themselves in the mirror every morning.
They must be so proud.


I agree with this. I accept that everyone is entitled to a decent defence, but I always took a decent defence to mean thorough legal advice.

A decent defence seems to mean make sh*t up, no matter how stupid it sounds, to try get yourself out of trouble. I don't see that as defence, just lying.

He had 45 000 images with 20% of the involving horrific abuse. How does looking at children being horrifically abused relieve stress?

#6 CallMeFeral

Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:34 PM

sick.gif
Hope that claim was treated with the disdain it deserves.

Finding looking at child porn de-stressing as opposed to stressful should be made a crime in itself!

#7 erindiv

Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

Would love to see someone using that excuse in court for murder.

"So tell me, why did you kill this man?"

"*shrug* I was bored."


#8 Ange remplie

Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

QUOTE (Beetlebop @ 29/01/2013, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A decent defence seems to mean make sh*t up, no matter how stupid it sounds, to try get yourself out of trouble. I don't see that as defence, just lying.

He had 45 000 images with 20% of the involving horrific abuse. How does looking at children being horrifically abused relieve stress?


I don't necessarily think it is an invented excuse.  I've done a fair bit of reading on child sexual abuse, and it seems that for some offenders, it's not unrelated to the impulse to self harm.  It's that kind of dysfunctional response to stress, something about shifting the pain, I don't really get it either.

Doesn't make it right.  Doesn't make it any less messed up.  But it really does seem that it's something that happens in some minds.

#9 Hayleymumof3

Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

What a ****ing cop out.   rant.gif rant.gif rant.gif rant.gif    

I wonder if he is still looking at child porn now because he is stressed out from being arrested, spending time in prison, the trial.  I imagine that this is WAY more stressful than having problems with his wife how is he coping with the stress.

#10 Oriental lily

Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:16 AM

Ang vert I could almost swallow the psychology behind that it IF his collection showed other images of footage of abuse and torment.

Their is other hideous stuff on the Internet that you could use to divert pain other than child abuse.

There is snuff films.
Animal abuse.
People being tortured.
Horrific images of war.

Ect ect.

The thing also is that the majority of his collection was made up of the 'milder' types child pornography. So the 'projection' or 'diversion' of pain could not been achieved due to the child not having a high level of suffering.

Also he was having maritital problems. Nothing that probably the majority goes through at sometime in their life.

I think 99.9 percent of people collect, view and keep child pornography for one reason.
Because they are paedophiles  and it sexually arouses them.

Yet in the last two big reported cases of this they have had the same defense.
Stress and curiosity.
Not sexual arousel and not due to them being paedophiles and being sexually attracted to children.

It's bull and its obviously the choice route by defense lawyers trying to get softer sentences and drawing sympathy.


#11 Hayleymumof3

Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE
A man caught with more than 45,000 images and 1600 videos of child pornography on his computer told police he had no sexual interest in children, a court heard today.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-watc...l#ixzz2JQi0ZNgf

My bold but 45,000 images and 1600 child porn videos doesn't really scream "I was stressed out" it's screams "I get off at looking at children being sexually abused".

#12 mini mac

Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

QUOTE (hayleymumof3 @ 30/01/2013, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-watc...l#ixzz2JQi0ZNgf

My bold but 45,000 images and 1600 child porn videos doesn't really scream "I was stressed out" it's screams "I get off at looking at children being sexually abused".



My sentiments! People like this should be locked up and the keys thrown away! Just as bad as the actual abuser.

#13 **Xena**

Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

I can get that sometimes you can get off on things you wouldn't actually want to happen in real life. The fact of the matter is though he had pictures and images of real children. He contributed to the demand of child ponography and he revelled in their abuse sad.gif

If he's ****ed up enough to like seeing that then that's what his imagination is for.

#14 Prioritising Pooks

Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

I actually don't care what peoples reasons for child sex abuse are, when it comes to sentencing. I don't think it matters. Maybe it is stress relief, who cares? If I murder for stress relief is that ok? Or rape? How about I go around chopping off dicks. I reckon that would help me relieve a lot of stress.

Child pornography is being treated like a victimless crime. It isn't. Men are being treated like hapless imbeciles incapable of controlling themselves. They aren't.

#15 CallMeFeral

Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE (**Xena** @ 30/01/2013, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can get that sometimes you can get off on things you wouldn't actually want to happen in real life. The fact of the matter is though he had pictures and images of real children. He contributed to the demand of child ponography and he revelled in their abuse sad.gif


THAT's the thing. Contributing to feeding that industry SHOULD be seen as direct harm to the child. Saying his risk of 'actually offending' is low is kind of irrelevant - he HAS offended - he has most probably paid someone to abuse a child. I don't see how that's any better than doing it himself.
If someone hires a hitman, they are also charged with the crime. Why is this not the case for child abuse?

QUOTE (Pooks_ @ 30/01/2013, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I actually don't care what peoples reasons for child sex abuse are, when it comes to sentencing. I don't think it matters. Maybe it is stress relief, who cares? If I murder for stress relief is that ok? Or rape? How about I go around chopping off dicks. I reckon that would help me relieve a lot of stress.

Child pornography is being treated like a victimless crime. It isn't. Men are being treated like hapless imbeciles incapable of controlling themselves. They aren't.


TOUCHE. This times a thousand.

Edited by CallMeProtart, 30 January 2013 - 02:59 PM.


#16 ednaboo

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

I find his excuse to be a total crock, but even if it *was* for stress relief they should still throw the book at him.  He had a lock on his office door, so he obviously knew it was wrong.

#17 GoBack2Bed

Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

I personally think the defense of stress reduction is quite valid .... Purely because sexual gratification IS. A stress relief. Of course they do this for sexual reasons and to argue anything else is absurd. Surely the prosecutor is able to argue this line of attack to such a stupid defense.

And stress relief does not negate the illegality of the act. That's like saying it's ok to murder 300 people because it distresses you. Absurd.


#18 Chopster

Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:48 AM

"THAT's the thing. Contributing to feeding that industry SHOULD be seen as direct harm to the child."

This is not an industry, its a sick perversion.

#19 ComradeBob

Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:09 AM

QUOTE (Pooks_ @ 30/01/2013, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Child pornography is being treated like a victimless crime. It isn't. Men are being treated like hapless imbeciles incapable of controlling themselves. They aren't.

Hell YES! It's like it's turnign into another one of those crimes like fraud, perpetrated generally by the more well off, and yes, because the victim isn't actually there, in the room, it's somehow "victimless". Like hell it is  mad.gif

And 45,000 images in about 7 months? That's on average about 6500 per month or over 200 images per day.

Words fail me. Those poor poor children.

#20 CallMeFeral

Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:14 AM

QUOTE (Chopster @ 31/01/2013, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"THAT's the thing. Contributing to feeding that industry SHOULD be seen as direct harm to the child."

This is not an industry, its a sick perversion.


Sadly, it's both.

#21 BetteBoop

Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (Ange Vert @ 29/01/2013, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't necessarily think it is an invented excuse.  I've done a fair bit of reading on child sexual abuse, and it seems that for some offenders, it's not unrelated to the impulse to self harm.  It's that kind of dysfunctional response to stress, something about shifting the pain, I don't really get it either.

Doesn't make it right.  Doesn't make it any less messed up.  But it really does seem that it's something that happens in some minds.


That's just one theory on the motivations for some people who consume child porn Ange.

Unsurprisingly, it seems to be most supported by psychs who are paid by criminal defence lawyers.



#22 Illiterati

Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE (Pooks_ @ 30/01/2013, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I actually don't care what peoples reasons for child sex abuse are, when it comes to sentencing. I don't think it matters. Maybe it is stress relief, who cares? If I murder for stress relief is that ok? Or rape? How about I go around chopping off dicks. I reckon that would help me relieve a lot of stress.

Child pornography is being treated like a victimless crime. It isn't. Men are being treated like hapless imbeciles incapable of controlling themselves. They aren't.


Yep.




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