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#1 itsmemacdolby

Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:21 PM

Hi

We're looking to (possibly) move from the Northern Beaches, Sydney. St Ives has come up in discussions but we know nothing about the area.

Anyone care to share their thoughts?

TIA

#2 Hands Up

Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:26 PM

I live in the north shore. St Ives has a great set of shops and now has two small bars! The Indian take away is AMAZING and it also has Max Brenners. It is better priced than Pymble too even though they are right next too each other.

The only thing is it is not on a train line. We moved to a suburb that had one as we both work in the city (but this might not be relevant to you).

#3 LittleListen

Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

St Ives is a nice area - quite closed and people are fairly middle to upper class. There are some spectacular properties on the quieter streets. Its an old area and old money.

The shopping centre is very upper class, small and boutique - amazing deli and bakery stores and some very delectable cafes (including Max Brenner - yum!).

It has traditionally been a very Jewish and South African area - so there are strong influences of both cultures in the shops and facilities. A Jewish school, two catholic schools and some public primary and a high school. Strong sports area based in lots of the private school traditional sports like rugby, cricket and soccer. Also very strong scouting group.

Very leafy, green area with lots of old trees. It always feels like its raining there - one of the highest annual rainfalls in all of Sydney, hence the greenness, but is a lovely place.

#4 TillyTake2

Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:35 PM

How long have you lived on the beaches? If you grew up their you would find the change to st Ives very different. I'm guessing that you didn't though (given you are asking lol). St Ives is a lot more "formal" or "snobby" in many ways. It's different money to the beaches. You do get a lot more for your money than on the beaches though. It is very heavily south African & Jewish, some people find these cultures, social make up etc very different from their own. The public schools are good but a high percentage of kids are in upper class private school. It had some really nice parks & is quite a pretty area.

#5 baddmammajamma

Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE (itsmemacdolby @ 28/01/2013, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi

We're looking to (possibly) move from the Northern Beaches, Sydney. St Ives has come up in discussions but we know nothing about the area.

Anyone care to share their thoughts?

TIA


Would you mind sharing what reasons are making you contemplate a move (e.g quality of schools, commute, space). It might be easier to weigh in with more salient viewpoints if we have a little more info. original.gif

#6 itsmemacdolby

Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

Don't mind sharing some of our thoughts:

  • We're hoping to get more for our money in terms of property - eg current prices for a decent property in St Ives vs practically anywhere else on the NB (except Manly etc) are roughly 4bed, decent land size = 1/2 land size and renovators delight
  • Neither of us grew up in Oz, so have no idea.  We've both been here over 10yrs but bought in Elanora Heights 4.5yrs ago, some friends are spread out on the beaches from Mona Vale to Manly but that is in part due to our growing circle of friends through school and sport being from around here.
  • We're unsure of schools, not fussed about private particularly but would like a decent high school for our DD who is still 5 years away but we kind of need to start thinking along these lines and neither of the public schools here are 'right' for us at this time (of course they have time to change)
  • Transport to the city isnt an issue (it currently takes us 1.5hrs each way) but neither of us work in the city and don't intend to in the future. I'm looking to return to work, I'm guessing being that further west would open up further opportunities in Ryde etc?
  • While we do go to the beach semi-regularly, we tend to spend more time in our own pool so being 15-20 mins away vs 5-6 mins isnt such a big deal to us
  • I had heard about the rainfall stats but where we are now it feels like it rains all of the time anyway, its very lush up here - I wonder would we notice that much of a difference?
  • Any streets/end of St Ives to steer clear from?


Thanks for your time

#7 FomoJnr

Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

Hi OP
I grew up in the duffys forest area and went to high school in st Ives, so I know it very well.
Honestly, I would not move from where you are.
Yes, st Ives is very lush and green. For me, that would have to be its only possible appeal.
Tillytake2 is correct. Large South African and Jewish population- they are very different to the people you would find on the northern beaches. Snobby is a nice way of putting it, in my experience of the suburb.
The shopping centre is nice, but try and shop there without being shoved and pushed. There are plenty of parks and ovals and some good schools too, depending on your religious preferences.
While it isn't on a train line, they have buses that take you straight to Gordon, 3-4 mins away.
I went to an independent girls school and really would recommend it to anyone.
Sorry I know I'm not painting it in the best light, but I honestly would consider staying where you are. Love the beaches original.gif


#8 mards

Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

ahhhhhhh just wrote a huge reply and lost it!

I grew up there - many of my friends are still there!

I now live on the central Coast - and Love it here...

My mum was a teacher at Masada and I used to work at the shopping centre - it is a world in its own - i feel very Low brow going there in my Ford LOL! - my folks live in Turramurra!!

Anyway ask any questions you like - Great place to raise kids im still guessing - good schools. - but it is isolated as no train - but you are used to that on the beaches - i myself am 10 minute drive to the beach and i wouldnt swap it for anything...

#9 ECsMum

Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

if you are interested in primary schools - St Ives North Primary school is one of the top 20 (or there abouts) in the state...
I don't find it snobby.. I like it  :D
Feel free to PM ...

#10 Hands Up

Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

Wow, seems like some anti Jewish and South African sentiment exists in here.... I am neither and I can't honestly think of a single time anyone at the St Ives centre or shops "pushed me" or was "snobby".

#11 Feral-as-Meggs

Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

If you like the northern beaches I wouldn't buy in St Ives.  My dad lives there, and I find it (as PPs said) a bit closed and snobby.   It is actually colder and rainier there too.  Where my dad lives the buses are woeful, and we were always having to cadge lifts to and from the station as teenagers.  

If you do move up there try to get within walking distance of the train line.

#12 mards

Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:15 PM

In no way am I anti Jewish!!! - Great great friends of mine are Jewish - and my mum worked in the Jewish school for 15 years...  no problems there.... Have also worked with many non jewish south Africans and have no problems there either...

They have made StIves what it is today - they are hard working people with a STrong work ethic.  



#13 TillyTake2

Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:16 PM

Don't take my post to mean I'm anti southafricans or Jews. Two of my closest friends are South African (& live in st ives lol!) but it is just a very different cultural feel & personally, if your lived on the beaches, you may find it a shock.

I for example wouldn't think twice about walking into woolies with thongs & a pair of shorts on the beaches but no way would that be ok at st Ives shops. Besides, to me it just isn't right to have an entire shopping centre carpeted lol

#14 mards

Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

haha in their adds for the shopping centre - they say they are the only full carpeted Shopping centre in NSW - that always used to make me laugh when it came over the loud speaker - i was like - who really cares LOL!

#15 wesse

Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:28 PM

I think there are alot of other great suburbs on the north shore for the same price bracket as St Ives, and as pp's have said, its not great for public transport.

...as for snobbery? I think it's all in the eye of the beholder  biggrin.gif

#16 ECsMum

Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:29 PM

seriously you can walk into the shops in what ever you like! there is a mix of people who live in st ives  -  also plenty of people stop in st ives on the way to and from the beach so there are numerous states of undress to be seen!

#17 krissyc

Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

I grew up in Terrey Hills and now live in Turramurra. My son goes to pre school in StIves. I think it is a lovely, safe area although public transport is somewhat limited. I dont shop in StIves very often but when I have I havent found it snobby.

#18 StopTheGoats

Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

Fun for the over 60's wink.gif

It's safe so long as you can avoid all those scary South African Jews (SSAJ's) who want to put you in the town stocks wearing a sign reading 'Prole' for the crime of wearing rubber footwear to the shops/ casino.

Edited by JuniorSpies, 29 January 2013 - 01:33 PM.


#19 FeralFerretOfDoom

Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE (TillyTake2 @ 29/01/2013, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I for example wouldn't think twice about walking into woolies with thongs & a pair of shorts on the beaches but no way would that be ok at st Ives shops. Besides, to me it just isn't right to have an entire shopping centre carpeted lol


Seriously???  wacko.gif

I am a Northern Beaches girl originally, and we currently live on the North Shore. We are not in St Ives but we go there regularly as my DS plays soccer in the area, so we are at the St Ives shopping centre most weeks. I've never been pushed or shoved, in fact one of my nicest shopping experiences was there - when dealing with a screaming 1 and 3 year old while trying to get some last minute groceries on Christmas Eve, I had a lovely lady catch my eye and sympathetically say "Oh, poor Mummy..."

Wasn't much but having sympathy instead of judgement made that shop bearable and made me feel so much better.

Oh, and I am always in very casual clothes with crocs and no make-up, I've never felt judged for not confirming to some snobby standard. There are plenty of other people dressed like me, too.

Edited by WootFerretOfDoom, 29 January 2013 - 01:41 PM.


#20 hicoco

Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

I grew up in Elanora, and live fairly close to St Ives now. Other than not being on the train line both are beautiful places to live in Sydney. But if I had a choice? Elanora in a heartbeat.
St Ives is dissected by Mona Vale Road, and is feeling the effects of Meritonisation with that huge new apartment complex on the corner of Killeaton and Mona Vale Roads. There will be more of that, to be sure, because once one has been approved the precedent has been set. Elanora on the other hand has no big developments and no 'real' main roads (Powderworks being the only possible exception and even then it is much less busy than Mona Vale Rd.)
Elanora is close to the beach (not important now with your pool, but when your LO is older it is a fantastic (and free) social and sporting outlet for kids), and also close to good private schools - Oxford Falls Grammer, Mater Maria, Pittwater House at Collaroy etc. Elanora public school is gorgeous - we always felt like we were in the bush and it had a real 'small-school' feel about it - in a good way.
Yes there is a  LOT of rain in Elanora - apparently some years it has the most rain of anywhere in Sydney because the clouds come in over the ocean, hit Elanora headland and bingo! But St Ives is also very wet and green so pretty much of a muchness there.
My two cents - don't leave Elanora! I wish we never had and if we could move back we would (but it would unfortunately take us too long to get to work) cry1.gif If your current house isn't up to scratch perhaps look at renovating or moving within the same suburb?




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