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#1 Mamabug

Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:54 AM

DEisclaimer: Dr appt has been made!

The 5yo lad has wandered in complaining of yet another sore tummy this morning. He does this quite often. Either in the morning. Or will stop in the middle of a meal and say his tummy hurts. Or won't want food to start with. Or will wake up in the middle of the night and tell me his tummy hurts.

He doesn't feel like he is going to be sick - he is quite good at knowing when he will be sick!

He doesn't have a temperature, just says his tummy hurts. The area is all around his belly button, from under his ribs to the pubic area, and hurts when I press it.

The bouts last between about 15 minutes to a couple of hours, and he seems to bounce back with no ill effects.

I have finally decided enoug is enough and have made a dr appt, but I think he may just look at me with that "really? you brought him in because of this?" look!!

WDYT - am I over reacting to a little boy looking for a few more cuddles, or is it worth checking out?????

And if it is 'something', join the guessing game and let me know what your suspicions are!!! biggrin.gif

#2 OneMore?

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:00 AM

1st guess - Giardia
2nd guess - reflux

Not paranoid at all....Good luck

#3 Neko NoNo

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:04 AM

Trust your instinct. When you say "yet another", how long has this been going on? Any other symptoms? My first thought is coeliac disease, or some intolerance, but that is on my mind at the moment as we are maybe going that route with DS. Any anxiety issues?

Good luck and I hope it is sorted soon.

#4 ComradeBob

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:06 AM

Doesn't sounds like giardia from my experience of it, when DD had it she was OK in the morning, chucking in the afternoon, limp and lethargic in the early evening. But if you're not sure, ask if he has a metallic taste in his mouth, as this is an easy diagnostic tool.

Mamabug, no other idea what it is, but good luck, I hope you get answers and no, you're not being silly xx

#5 Baroness Bubbles

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:06 AM

Possibly IBS, I still go through periods of pain in my belly. When I was younger I couldn't pinpoint the painful spot

#6 mumto3princesses

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:07 AM

No, not paranoid at all.

We just found last year that one of our 9yr old twins has been walking around with reflux pain since forever. We just found out by chance when we decided to have her seen by a Paed for something else. He did a check up and questioned her if anything hurt when he pressed on her tummy and she said yes. sad.gif She never mentioned it to us because she has always had it and thought it was normal to have pain.

eta: she gets pain elsewhere in her tummy when she has constipation issues and also gets general tummy pain and nausea with anxiety. She does tell us when she had that though as its not always there.

Edited by mumto3princesses, 25 January 2013 - 07:10 AM.

#7 miinii

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:08 AM

I have finally decided enoug is enough and have made a dr appt, but I think he may just look at me with that "really? you brought him in because of this?" look!!

WDYT - am I over reacting to a little boy looking for a few more cuddles, or is it worth checking out?????

If your doctor looks at you like that then i would probably be finding a new doctor that i am comfortable bringing my child to no matter the reason. A doctor should make you feel comfortable not worry that your wasting their time.

My 5 yo DD went through about 8 weeks of Belly aches and throwing up atleast once a week. For her it would last anywhere from 2 hours to the whole day. Was absolutely horrible. Every test came up fine so we started the elimination process to see if it was something she ate. we never really found out what it was exactly as it stopped just as fast as it started and she hasnt been sick in a few months now.

Hope you get some answers OP

Edited by miinii, 25 January 2013 - 07:09 AM.

#8 CupOfCoffee

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:09 AM

I am another for trust your instinct.

My son when he was young complained of headaches and stomach aches quite often (almost always before school).  I thought he was faking to get out of school (which he did try to do on occasion), but one day I took him to the dr who referred us to a paediatric neurologist.  Turns out he was getting vascular migraines and we were able to control them.

It doesn't hurt to take them to the dr (In retrospect I wish I had done it straight away), so I think you have done the right thing.  I hope he feels better soon.

#9 Mamabug

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:09 AM

Hi Kate! original.gif

Um. Please don't mention intollerances...three of us are wading our way through elimination diets at the moment!!! He isn't one of them...

It has been going on for more than a year. He eats like a horse normlly, is a very confident little lad and is generally full of beans. It is just these 'bouts'. WHich part of me thinks is his way of getting extra cuddles , which can be tricky to find sometimes when he is one of four!

OneMore? - reflux, huh? Never thought of that. He was medicated for silent reflux until he was 18mo. His father is still on reflux medication (!) and my other three had reflux as well...never thought it could be that still lingering...

#10 JustBeige

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:12 AM

it would only be silly if it only happened once and you were rushing him down there.

I do think its justified.

I would have thought food related also except you said he sometimes isnt eating.

My guess is food related (gluten) + normal anxiety - which usually manifests in their bellys at this age.

#11 Carmen02

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:21 AM

good luck OP! my 8yr old had sore bellys all his life but he is also dealing with severe speech delay so he was never able to tell us what was up so we never knew he was living with coeliacs disease the specialist said he had quite a bad case (was easy to see the damage to his stomach) so he psychologically began to hate food with us thinking his going through a fussy stage..glad your DS told you about it and hope the Doc is able to give you some help!!

#12 mumto3princesses

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:21 AM

QUOTE (Mamabug @ 25/01/2013, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
reflux, huh? Never thought of that. He was medicated for silent reflux until he was 18mo. His father is still on reflux medication (!) and my other three had reflux as well...never thought it could be that still lingering...

My guess is reflux then. DD#3 had reflux as a baby but was never put on medication for it and we thought she was over it at about 13mths or so.

#13 Isolabella

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:24 AM

If you have migraines in the family read up about abdominal migraines. My Dr finally had the light turn on when I was 12 yrs and developed a real migraine (ie standard symptoms). Explained much iof my childhood.

Some things though do never get explained. But worthwhile looking for answers.

#14 peking homunculus

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:25 AM

This is just like my son. Doctor was great. We did some tests but foumd nothing. There is a syndrome called unexplained abdominal pain. It affects quite a few kids. Pain for no reason in bouts like you describe. It can be a form of.abdominal migraine but can just be like growing pains. No treatment.

Whe DS has a bout, we remind him it is his brain getting the wrong signals from his body and there is nothing wrong with him. He then gets on with it and doesn't let the pain get him down. It helped him to know there was nothing physically wrong with him.

go to the doctor and get it checked out but there may be nothing you can do about it

#15 adl

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:41 AM

No I don't ...my nephew has food intolerances and it presents as a painful tummy... He is now 7 but he never put it on... I don't think at 5 can they be that precise in lying like its ot when he has to go to a specific place or do something he doesn't want??

I don't want to scare you but if your doctor doesn't take it seriously go find one that does, I have two separate people I know who were dismissed by doctors ... Kept at it  and finally got a ultrasound and it was very serious....only because they pushed, it was found... One it was her grandfather , an ENT that. Said its not normal...

#16 mez70

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:45 AM

yep another one who suggests at least getting checked for reflux, espec if the tummy aches happen soon after food or lying down at night, especially if he has had a past history of it.

I know my DS went through a really bad time with tummy aches etc but we were getting nowhere with the GP so asked for a referral back to his Paed (he saw one for a few years due to being prem and his twin still sees her) Well she asked us when and where, suggested we try a reflux med and viola we saw a marked improvement although they didn't disappear, we then were sent to a Paed Gastro Dr who agreed with Paed, though wanted to rule out Coeliacs and ulcers ( I had an ulcer at 6 due to anxiety from being bullied) we also wanted to know if the tummy aches were "real".. The scope showed changes consistent with reflux and nothing sinister which was great and we were then able to work on "why" was he getting reflux, turned out he was having issues with a couple of kids a t school, plus my dad had been really ill the prev 7 mths so he was getting all anxious and upset which was presenting as reflux. So we worked on medicating the reflux, dealing with the emotional stuff and a few other things. We ALWAYS eat dinner around the 5.30 mark to ensure his meal etc has time to digest before trying to go to bed, SPicy foods etc will flare it up for him and when he does start complaining of the odd one now we medicate and then when he is comfortable we will have a chat and generally figure out what is going on.

It was impacting his school life as when he was in grade2 lots of time off, then again in grade 4 he had heaps of time off as he was getting reflux and or Asthma (strong link between the 2 as well) and in the second half of the year had 14 days off. Last year in grade 5 he had 4 days off the entire year (notice what being split from a couple of kids can do as he was not getting hassled)

If your Dr doesn't take it seriously then find a different Dr, perhaps some Bloods to rule out "other" things as well, rule out constipation etc  and make sure you mention his fathers ADULT history of reflux.. Good Luck

#17 nzmum

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:46 AM

A friend of mine described similar symptoms with her daughter (now 6). She had always thought it must be some kind of food intolerance and had tried removing various items from her diet. However it turned out it was some weird kind of migraine as described by a PP.

#18 noi'mnot

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:51 AM

I had abdominal migraines as a kid. They were awful, and nobody believed me for so long.

It's worth getting him checked out OP, good luck and I hope it's a simple issue that can be dealt with quickly.

#19 Mpjp is feral

Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:56 AM

Dd also has similar symptoms, but also night time vomiting. We saw gastro paed who diagnosed a hiatus hernia, reflux (oesophageal and bile reflux), slow gastric emptying, loose sphincters etc etc. She is now on a low fat diet and medication probably for life.

This did take a few GP visits to get them to refer on. I got told everything from anxiety, psych issues, gastro and others!

#20 msro82

Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:03 AM

Sounds like my daughter - I would say good related.

For my daughter she has fructose malabsorption and is on the fodmap diet. This diagnosis was provided after testing for celiacs etc.

Does his bowel movements differ? Is he quite gassy?

Wheat and apples make my daughter very unwell.

#21 brazen

Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:44 AM

make sure they test for coeliac

#22 ~~~

Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:57 AM

Interesting to read this, we are starting to see a slight pattern with DD but again, not sure when or if it is being put on or not (or more anxiety based etc). Thinking about keeping a food diary and seeing if anything flags.

#23 Therese

Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:57 AM

It's definitely worth getting him checked out.

Good luck!

#24 Mamabug

Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:07 AM

Meplainjanebrain...I think you may be on to something!

To give a little more info, the lad has never had toilet/bowel issues. Regular as clock work and never an ounce of poo related pain. I am aware of this as I have two DDs who do have bowel issues (encopresis/food intolerance), so food related potential isn't my first suspect!!

However, last night he woke us up as he was crying. He had done a poo and was crying because his tummy hurt. Not his bottom, not his poo, but his tummy.

Further questioning over the past couple of days has him showing the area around and below his belly button, in the centre, not to the sides. So Himself and I are thinking maybe hernia??? Can't wait to get to the dr and see what they think!!

#25 trebambinibelli

Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:23 PM

My son has severe reflux which is mainly around his stomach to belly button area but another Dr said that he may also have abdominal migraines.  It is very common in childhood and especially where there has been a familial history of migraines.  In children it can manifest as belly pain - which can be mild to severe - around the belly button area.

Good luck finding out what the issue is.  Because my son had such severe reflux as a baby I suspected it was still there years later - he had an endoscopy which showed multiple reflux lesions.  Follow your instincts, if you believe you're being fobbed off be persistent until you get an answer.  My boy now is on strong meds which generally control the symptoms very well.

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