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#1 KateElwood

Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

...that there has been so much press afforded to anti-child/anti-mum issues over the last couple of days?

I've spent more time than I should have glancing over the hundreds of really nasty responses to breastfeeding in public and then yesterday - a child screaming in a cafe.

The amount of hate out there is pretty overwhelming - against the mythical, exhibitionist breastfeeding mother and the child screaming in public for probably less than 2 minutes.

I didnt realise there were so many haters out there. These articles really do nothing other than empower more jerks to give parents what-for when they see something they don't think is appropriate.

Sad.

#2 axiomae

Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

The media is just out to make money. They don't report 'news' anymore. Watch ABC or SBS and you'll feel better about it - although maybe about the actual state of the world!

#3 katniss

Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

Not only that but almost every week there is new "research" out telling us what else we are doing wrong.

#4 CallMeFeral

Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

Yes.

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#5 mini mac

Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

I totally agree. This country is full of negativity and nastiness and its often over petty and insignificant issues! (Not that I don't have my say, but yes it definitely seems to be all too negative lately!)

There was a nice thread going around the other day about random nice acts from strangers. Could be worth reading and help cheer us up as a society.

#6 FeralLIfeHacker

Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

Yes. it's really sad.
What I have been most surprised at on Facebook particularly is the amount of other women/mothers who get at each other. Why on earth aren't we just supporting each other.

#7 steppy

Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

I agree too. So much hatred over what are essentially trivial issues while things that are genuinely annoying and hateful are ignored or endorsed.

#8 Berndt Tőst

Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

Yes. It seems misogyny has gone underground and attacks targets that are off-centre of the real issue, which is simply that things are different now and not everyone likes that. I guess you could look on the positive side and say it's another step in the process...

#9 maeby

Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

On a positive note, this article made me a bit happier:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-...0122-2d51v.html

#10 adl

Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

I think its more people externalising whats inside... people are not overall happy these days, whether it be genuine worries and stresses...or a by product of the over busy lifestyle..  inaccurate sense of entitlement.. or combinations?

there is much to be said about stopping to smell the roses... I note that when I dont... I find little things really bug me and I can be a negative nasty and I pull myself up so as to think hey,  really is it worth getting that worked up or being rude to someone else?

On a certain FB page people post about random acts of kindness, there is always cynics and knockers commenting that its BS or a company stunt...quite sad really.. to think they must be so miserable themselves...

Also I  have changed habits and  have moved to watching ABC and 7.30 report rather than trash media...

#11 BetteBoop

Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (KateElwood @ 23/01/2013, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...that there has been so much press afforded to anti-child/anti-mum issues over the last couple of days?

I've spent more time than I should have glancing over the hundreds of really nasty responses to breastfeeding in public and then yesterday - a child screaming in a cafe.

The amount of hate out there is pretty overwhelming - against the mythical, exhibitionist breastfeeding mother and the child screaming in public for probably less than 2 minutes.

I didnt realise there were so many haters out there. These articles really do nothing other than empower more jerks to give parents what-for when they see something they don't think is appropriate.

Sad.


Yes. The amount of sheer, naked loathing directed at women often disturbs me. And the recent news stories have just highlighted just how much of it there is.

Anyone who thinks these aren't anti women attacks is in denial. The media is constantly attacking mothers with an endless tirade of snide little stories about how we're all self absorbed and entitled or we're raising rude, obnoxious undisiciplined children, or how we're so shallow and self absorbed for delaying pregnancy.

Even knowing all of this, some of the comments I read online were unbelievably toxic. I understand how stereotyping works and that someone can hate an entire group of people based on nothing but their own prejudgements.

But, how do so many people hate mothers? It's not like hating a group of foreigners who look different and are not part of your social circle.

Everyone has a mum.



#12 Princess Holly

Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

As a mother of one, I found this to be quite saddening

http://www.mamamia.com.au/parenting/parent...s-for-quantity/

Especially when I might not be able to have any more babies due to health reasons  sad.gif

Edited by Flylikeabutterfly, 23 January 2013 - 05:51 PM.


#13 mumtoactivetoddler

Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:46 PM

I agree about the breastfeeding but I think the child screaming in the cafe was a perfectly reasonable complaint. According to the article the parents did nothing about a child screaming, frankly you should take a child out if that happens it is totally unreasonable and very rude to ruin everyone else's time (it wasn't a short screaming fit either). I also do not exempt people with kids with special needs either, I have 2 kids with special needs and we didn't go near restaurants and cafe's until they started to behave and we left immediately they played up. So I went without socially, well thats life.

#14 BetteBoop

Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE (mumtoactivetoddler @ 23/01/2013, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
According to the article the parents did nothing about a child screaming


It's possible (if not highly likely) that it didn't happen the way the author claimed it did.


#15 ImpatientAnna

Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:54 PM

I don't even feel like reading that mamamia one because most things that come off there are drivel. Meanwhile, yes very sad about everything in the news in the last week. Couldn't get to sleep on Monday night thinking how sh*tty people's views are that fester just below the surface.

This house was a glum place for a few days. DH was an academic during the 80's trying to open people's eyes to the inequality suffered by minorities, gays and women. He had been happily plodding along thinking that the 00's was different, that him and his contemporaries had made the world a slightly better place. Nup - people just don't open their mouth about things as much, but the way of thinking remains.

Meanwhile there must be just a handful of crazed exhibitionist bf-ers randomly running around the country ripping their shirts off to feed, whilst declaring to an entire food court 'look at me i have my tits out!'   I have never seen anything of the sort.

#16 KateElwood

Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

QUOTE (Beetlebop @ 23/01/2013, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes. The amount of sheer, naked loathing directed at women often disturbs me. And the recent news stories have just highlighted just how much of it there is.

Anyone who thinks these aren't anti women attacks is in denial. The media is constantly attacking mothers with an endless tirade of snide little stories about how we're all self absorbed and entitled or we're raising rude, obnoxious undisiciplined children, or how we're so shallow and self absorbed for delaying pregnancy.

Even knowing all of this, some of the comments I read online were unbelievably toxic. I understand how stereotyping works and that someone can hate an entire group of people based on nothing but their own prejudgements.

But, how do so many people hate mothers? It's not like hating a group of foreigners who look different and are not part of your social circle.

Everyone has a mum.


That is exactly what I took from the reaction to those two issues. The open slather comments from big, brave anonymous posters against mothers/women and children in general was beyond belief, and some were even unashamedly violent.

I know I shouldn't be surprised at any of this considering the world we live in, but I always am.

Oh well I guess it the cyclists turn next week.


#17 KateElwood

Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (Beetlebop @ 23/01/2013, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's possible (if not highly likely) that it didn't happen the way the author claimed it did.


Hmmm I think so too. Never let the (whole) truth get in the way of a good story...

I dare say there is a sometimes-journalist out there who is high-fiving herself at writing something soooo controversial (read: a very very soft target) that it pulled in almost 1000 comments in a day.


#18 SlightlyLeftFeral

Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

QUOTE (economist99 @ 23/01/2013, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People are jealous of and scared of breeding/mothering/birthing etc etc.

The media has to make money and topicality out of nonissues - kind of like TT - choose from their 5 topics

1. dole bludgers
2. useless mums
3. bad neighbours
4. fat pple
5. something xenophobic like China taking over etc


Or their favourite, combine the top 2 and a story about bludging single mums.

Which is something that is always going to set me off on a rant,

I am sick of people assuming I am a bludger because I stay home with my 3 year old. If anyone thinks I have an easy life, by all means, swap with me.

#19 loubee

Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

I fully sympathise with the breastfeeding mum, people need to get a grip.

QUOTE (Beetlebop @ 23/01/2013, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's possible (if not highly likely) that it didn't happen the way the author claimed it did.

I also sympathise with the couple in the café. There are a minority of parents who think it's okay to have a screaming child in a café (or elsewhere) and do nothing about it. I have personally encountered this many times and it makes me cross. I take my kids out for meals, coffee etc... and while it may be annoying to go outdoors when they are misbehaving I do it for the other patrons, my sake and my kids so they can learn how to behave at a meal. Gives us all a bad name.

#20 Guest_Sunnycat_*

Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:55 PM

Yes I find it depressing. sad.gif

#21 IShallWearMidnight

Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

i do think its sad that the biggest issue for some is a noisy kid at a cafe.

#22 loubee

Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:30 PM

QUOTE (trishalishous @ 23/01/2013, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i do think its sad that the biggest issue for some is a noisy kid at a cafe.

The article wasn't about a noisy kid in a café but a screaming child in a café with no one trying to pacify it.

#23 Guest_Dinah_Harris_*

Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

Basically I avoid the media at all costs.  Commercial media is a joke.  I watch the ABC news and some select television shows on ABC and SBS (mostly to do with historic home renovations in England).  I hate modern pop culture and everything it represents.

#24 BetteBoop

Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:26 PM

I'm getting to that place too Dinah.

Maybe if I don't see it so much I can pretend it doesn't exist.

#25 Babby and Roo

Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:49 PM

I felt very hurt and offended reading many of the reader comments on the SMH report about the breastfeeding by the pool/ Kochie debacle. I am still shocked that so many people find a mother feeding a baby so disgusting, when I find it so loving and beautiful and natural. I found reading them very personally offensive and made me think back to all the times I've breastfed in public and who might have been watching me and what nasty things they might have been thinking.

I wonder if anyone wrote an article about me. I had a bad experience which involved public breastfeeding and a screaming child in a food court. It was one of the first times I had taken both my kids out on my own (baby was 2 months old) and clearly my timing wasn't great. 2 year old was screaming because she wanted a toy and I said no. I was trying to get to a parents room because baby needed a feed and was starting to cry too. Couldn't get stubborn 2 year old to walk, she was collapsing on the ground mid-tantrum so I just picked her up and pushed pram one handed to nearest table at food court, sat her down at table with some food and started feeding the baby. 2 year old continued to scream and cry while I fed baby. People at nearby tables got up and left. I felt so terrible but I just couldn't manage the situation any other way. Gradually calmed two year old down by talking calmly to her while I fed the baby. When she was calm and baby fed, we got up and left. Avoided eye contact with everyone. I still feel bad about that today, and wonder what everyone thought of me. I'm sure there were plenty of disapproving onlookers sad.gif





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