Jump to content

We could all see this coming . . .
Dairy Farmers


  • Please log in to reply
160 replies to this topic

#1 StarandMoon

Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:52 AM


If anyone needs more motivation not to buy cheap supermarket milk:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensl...f-1226557039013

sad.gif

#2 Lainskii

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:04 PM

Even though Woolworths milk has become 'permeate' free, I still buy Dairy Farmers or Pauls because the woolworths just doesn't taste the same, it is really watery. When we froth it in the coffee machine it is just crap.

I actually wrote a complaint (via email) to Woolworths as they weren't stocking the full fat Dairy Farmers, only Lite White and Smart Milk. They wrote back and said that they'd start stocking it (and they now do). Surprisingly it sells out really quick so I think I'm going to write back and ask them to stock more.

I agree with the article and as long as everyone keeps buying the $2 milk we will eventually have the choice of really really expensive fresh milk (because there will hardly be any dairy farmers left) or we'll be drinking cheap imported milk or UHT. It is a sad state of affairs and just one of the many things Coles and Wooloworths are doing to ruin Australian production. I'm sure they'll convince everyone via advertising why imported milk is better for you anyway and as long as it stays $2, most ignorant people will just keep buying it.




#3 Jane01

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:05 PM

Didn't the supermarkets increase the prices they paid for milk before they reduced milk to $1/l?

https://www.coles.com.au/Portals/0/content/...20v2%202011.pdf

So does this sad state of affairs reflect:
1. an inefficient industry that needs to consolidate to survive?
2. the fault of the milk processors?  
3. 50% of Australian milk is exported.  Lower prices may be a consequence of a rising $AU, not supermarket price wars.  If an $AU was previously worth 6 Chinese Yuan and now it is worth 9 Chinese Yuan, and the contract for milk supply is written in Chinese Yuan, the Australian company selling the milk is getting a third less in Australian dollar terms, but the Chinese company is paying the same amount.  Even if the contract has been renewed recently, prices aren't so elastic that you can just increase by a third and expect the same demand for your product.  All Australian export companies are facing the same problems.

#4 flakyfish

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

Wow, that's massively worrying.

I used to occasionally buy the cheap milk, but after i read a thread on here a few months back, i switched to buying only name brand milk.

I also switched to buying Aussie-owned dairy products wherever possible, so switched to devondale cheese and butter instead of western star and mainland, liddels lactose free milk instead of Aldi, etc.

Sadly, neither coles nor woolies in my area sell fresh aussie owned milk, so we buy Dairy Farmers and A2 milk.

#5 Sif

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

It's not a choice for everyone. For us the difference is either $18 a fortnight, or $45 a fortnight - in our house that is a huge amount of money... We have to buy the cheapest of everything because otherwise we can't keep our fortnight shopping for a family of six to between $3-350 (including everything)...

#6 StarandMoon

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

QUOTE (Sif @ 19/01/2013, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not a choice for everyone. For us the difference is either $18 a fortnight, or $45 a fortnight - in our house that is a huge amount of money... We have to buy the cheapest of everything because otherwise we can't keep our fortnight shopping for a family of six to between $3-350 (including everything)...


Sif, nobody's asking you to send your family bankrupt, just be aware that these milk prices are having serious longterm effects on dairy families.

Edited by StarandMoon, 19 January 2013 - 12:27 PM.


#7 MrsLexiK

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:29 PM

QUOTE (Jane01 @ 19/01/2013, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't the supermarkets increase the prices they paid for milk before they reduced milk to $1/l?

https://www.coles.com.au/Portals/0/content/...20v2%202011.pdf

So does this sad state of affairs reflect:
1. an inefficient industry that needs to consolidate to survive?
2. the fault of the milk processors?  
3. 50% of Australian milk is exported.  Lower prices may be a consequence of a rising $AU, not supermarket price wars.  If an $AU was previously worth 6 Chinese Yuan and now it is worth 9 Chinese Yuan, and the contract for milk supply is written in Chinese Yuan, the Australian company selling the milk is getting a third less in Australian dollar terms, but the Chinese company is paying the same amount.  Even if the contract has been renewed recently, prices aren't so elastic that you can just increase by a third and expect the same demand for your product.  All Australian export companies are facing the same problems.


This was my understanding as well. We I do tend to buy cheap milk but I tend to buy the UHT stuff because some weeks we may go through 3liters some none so if I buy 2 and keep them in the fridge I can't taste the difference when we need it.

#8 Lyra

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

It's one of the reasons we switched to Aussie Farmers direct.

Sif, I can see your point but if they run the dairy industry into the ground then there will be no choice for any of us. Could you do half and half? ie half the cheap stuff and half the brand stuff? Or buy a bottle of the brand stuff when it is on special? Keep your support going that way

#9 kadoodle

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE (Jane01 @ 19/01/2013, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't the supermarkets increase the prices they paid for milk before they reduced milk to $1/l?

https://www.coles.com.au/Portals/0/content/...20v2%202011.pdf

So does this sad state of affairs reflect:
1. an inefficient industry that needs to consolidate to survive?
2. the fault of the milk processors?  
3. 50% of Australian milk is exported.  Lower prices may be a consequence of a rising $AU, not supermarket price wars.  If an $AU was previously worth 6 Chinese Yuan and now it is worth 9 Chinese Yuan, and the contract for milk supply is written in Chinese Yuan, the Australian company selling the milk is getting a third less in Australian dollar terms, but the Chinese company is paying the same amount.  Even if the contract has been renewed recently, prices aren't so elastic that you can just increase by a third and expect the same demand for your product.  All Australian export companies are facing the same problems.



The rising dollar has a lot to answer for with our primary producers.

So do we subsidise our farmers heavily in the same way the did in Europe, or leave them to sink or swim according to the market forces?  Either way, it's going to hurt.

Sif - How do 6 people manage to drink 18l of milk a fortnight?  That's a lot of moo juice!

#10 ShamelesslyPooks

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

We buy a mix of Great Ocean Road fresh for $2.99 and stock up on Devondale long life milk when it is on sale for inbetween shops. It is affordable. Like with eggs, I think you need to pay a little more to be ethical. I can totally understand why people on very low incomes have to go for whatever is cheapest Now, but in the long run lack of competition is bad for those on low incomes.

#11 gabbigirl

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

We get the A2, I figure this one is OK and supports Australian farmers?

#12 Chaos in stereo

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE (kadoodle @ 19/01/2013, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sif - How do 6 people manage to drink 18l of milk a fortnight?  That's a lot of moo juice!


1.5l of milk per person per week is not excessive, is it? Especially not if there are teenaged boys involved.  wink.gif

#13 SusieGreen

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:52 PM

I do not ever buy the cheap milk and that is PURELY due to what I learnt on EB. I can't do it. Even as a single parent of 4 on a tight budget, I refuse to. Would be better for my pocket to, sure, but after reading a thread on EB I made a commitment to support our farmers.

Such a sad situation sad.gif

#14 tenar

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

QUOTE (kadoodle @ 19/01/2013, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The rising dollar has a lot to answer for with our primary producers.

So do we subsidise our farmers heavily in the same way the did in Europe, or leave them to sink or swim according to the market forces?  Either way, it's going to hurt.


Agreed.  It's not as cut and dried as the dairy industry would have us believe.  Which doesn't make them completely wrong, mind you.  

QUOTE
Sif - How do 6 people manage to drink 18l of milk a fortnight?  That's a lot of moo juice!


I often buy 8 or more litres of milk per week for 2 adults, toddler, preschooler.  So on average 2l per person per week.  That's only about 300ml a day each - easily used on cereal, with coffee/tea and a bit of milk in cooking, even if not everyone drinks it straight.  I can totally imagine a family of 6 drinking more than 18l a fortnight.

#15 SlightlyLeftFeral

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

I am a sole parent on a low income and always buy the branded milk, for the exact reasons outlined. Having said that, we only go through 1 or 2 bottles a week.

#16 ubermum

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

That's sad that people won't pay what fresh milk costs. You can either start paying full price and stop buying supermarket milk, or start drinking UHT, because that is where your choices are sending the industry. Hmmmm, cheap UHT from China, not sure I would drink that given their track record.

We don't have fresh milk in my house. We use powdered. Nobody can taste the difference.

QUOTE (kadoodle @ 19/01/2013, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sif - How do 6 people manage to drink 18l of milk a fortnight?  That's a lot of moo juice!


Not really. It's only 1.5L each per week. That's not even a cup (250ml) per day. Cereal, smoothies, cooking, tea/coffee, and kids milo we would easily go through that with 5 people.




#17 3plusme

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:57 PM

I converted to Pura Milk last year.


It's probably added $5 more to my shopping every week, but we can afford it.

#18 Bluestocking

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

I have to drink a2. I hope they never go out of business or no more milk for me. It does have a much nicer taste to it, aside from not leaving me with the sensation of heavy pressure in my stomach that normal milk gives me.

#19 NunSoFeral

Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (kadoodle @ 19/01/2013, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The rising dollar has a lot to answer for with our primary producers.

So do we subsidise our farmers heavily in the same way the did in Europe, or leave them to sink or swim according to the market forces?  Either way, it's going to hurt.

Sif - How do 6 people manage to drink 18l of milk a fortnight?  That's a lot of moo juice!


Yep.
It is a hard rain that is going to fall.

Lil Chicken - Hope the change brings you relief and good fortune.

As for 6 people drinking 18L p/f - we do closer to 20.

Cereal based breakfasts x 6, bottles, coffee machine, smoothies, milkshakes, eggy dishes.

#20 Breeder

Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:02 PM

We buy the $1 a litre milk from IGA, we have a very low income so we don't have much choice especially considering we go through 2 litres a day.
I'd like to be able to buy fresh raw milk straight from a local dairy and would be happy to pay $2 a litre for it. There needs to be de-regulation so we as consumers have more choice.
edit: IGA where we live always has PURA milk for $1.99 for two litres.

Edited by Breeder, 19 January 2013 - 01:30 PM.


#21 JJ

Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:04 PM

QUOTE (OnePinkStar @ 19/01/2013, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am a sole parent on a low income and always buy the branded milk, for the exact reasons outlined. Having said that, we only go through 1 or 2 bottles a week.


Same here. Unlike many things, this one is just not negotiable IMO.

#22 Roxi

Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

I wouldn't judge anyone on a very low income who buys the cheapest milk - for some it is the difference between having milk, and no milk at all.

I think the best people to target are those who can afford to buy the more expensive stuff.  I will stop buying the cheap stuff from now on.

Is there any brand that is better to buy? I assume all the fresh milk will be produced here in Australia?

Edited by Roxi, 19 January 2013 - 01:07 PM.


#23 IShallWearMidnight

Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

we buy powdered milk as we don't drink much, but when we expect guests we but local 'nice' milk.
the homebrand stuff doesn't taste as good

#24 Jane Jetson

Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE
That's sad that people won't pay what fresh milk costs. You can either start paying full price and stop buying supermarket milk, or start drinking UHT, because that is where your choices are sending the industry.


This is a bit of a concern for me, as well. I wouldn't like to see creamer become as frequently offered as I've seen it elsewhere, either. Yeuch.

We usually buy Canberra Milk here (and we get through a worrying amount of it given DH is lactose intolerant and shouldn't be drinking it!), or sometimes Riverina Fresh or Daisy Milk. (Does anyone know who owns Daisy and where their milk is from? Their website isn't all that thorough.)

#25 Mumto1feral

Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

QUOTE (SusieGreen @ 19/01/2013, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do not ever buy the cheap milk and that is PURELY due to what I learnt on EB. I can't do it.


Why? What's wrong with cheap milk?





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Wondersuit heaven: Bonds & Disney launch exclusive collection

Bonds and Disney fans with babies to buy for will be celebrating this news. Bonds and Disney have just released collaboration Wondersuits.

Town welcomes first baby in 28 years

Since the 1980s, the Italian town of Ostana had not seen the birth of a single baby.

Great-great-grandma delivers great grandchild in her own home

''I've delivered calves, lambs, dogs and cats, but nothing like this.'' This 'Super Gran' calmly peeled the amniotic sac over her great-grandson's head before discovering the umbilical cord was wrapped around his neck ... twice.

How to start teaching your kids road safety

It's something that can be taught as early as possible and reinforced as they get older and more mobile - even from toddlerhood.

Just announced: Bugaboo Cameleon³ Classic+ Collection update

Meet the brand new understated chic model from Bugaboo.

The emotional moment a mum hears her late son's heartbeat

It's been two and a half years since Heather Clark's seven-month-old son Lukas passed away.

Nine reasons why you have 'brain fog'

One minute your productivity is skyrocketing and the next you're sitting there trying to focus – just like that you draw blank, your brain, mush.

I had a caesarean and it was beautiful

Guess what? Despite not pushing him out, I cried, and my heart skipped, and I felt the rush of love and pride when I saw him for the first time.

Microcephaly still a mysterious condition around the world

For parents, having a child with microcephaly can mean a life of uncertainty.

7 baby firsts you won't see on milestone charts

Here are a few 'other' baby firsts you may not have been expecting, but you'll want to be ready for.

Why it's important to vaccinate on time

My son was born on the 1 July 2014. It's a fabulous birthday, don't you think? Not only does the first of July ring in a new financial year, but it also means we've hit the year's half way mark.

Naturopath treatment allegedly left baby "days from death"

A naturopath whose treatment of a baby boy allegedly led to the infant being severely ill has pleaded not guilty to charges against her. 

Andy Murray's emotional speech to pregnant wife after Australian Open

A teary-eyed Andy Murray promised pregnant wife Kim he'd be on the next plane home after his turbulent two weeks at the Australian Open came to an end.

This toddler and his duck BFF will melt your heart

A small boy in the US has struck up a quacking good friendship with an unlikely companion ... his pet duck. 

Great news for coffee drinkers - caffeine is good for your heart

Researchers have found that, contrary to prior belief, caffeine does not cause health-threatening heart palpitations.

I always wanted children - but I've found other ways to be maternal

I've always been one of the most maternal women I know.

When only one parent wants to know the gender

For some couples you either both want to know the gender of your unborn baby, or you don't. For others, it's not that simple.

'No jab no play' could hurt disadvantaged children, experts fear

Tough new "no jab no play" laws could hurt children who have not been immunised due to family dysfunction, poverty, or poor access to medical support, experts warn.

Zika virus: Airlines offer refunds to pregnant women

Airlines and cruise companies across the world are offering refunds or travel credits to pregnant women who are scheduled to visit countries struck by the devastating Zika virus.

#meditateonthis: Mums fight back against PND ignorance

Not all women will require medication, but many will. And there isn't and shouldn't be any shame in that.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Penny Wong

'The most hurtful argument in the marriage equality debate'

Labor frontbencher Penny Wong is used to to hearing arguments against same-sex marriage. But for Australia's most prominent gay politician, one hurts more than others.

Does exercise have to be fun to work?

Some things in life are inherently served with a big scoop of fun: balloons, bubbles, cupcakes to name but a few, but exercise?

Hair dye gives woman second-degree burns

She wanted a fresh colour for 2016, but instead she got chemical burns.

Kelly Slater saves mum and toddler from 'freak wave'

A Perth family has thanked US surfing "legend" Kelly Slater after the star saved a mother and a young toddler from "a freak wave" in Hawaii.

Apple recalls millions of power adapters

Tech giant instigates massive international recall of power point adapters due to risk of electric shock.

Toddler's adorable alphabet goes viral

It's impossible not to share this little boy's excitement  about the alphabet.

Tot's nighttime waking saves family's life

Like all tired parents, Monique and Kyle Ruppel were looking forward to the day their 15-month-old daughter Celia would start sleeping through the night. 

Australian mum gives birth to quintuplets

An Australian mum who has shared the ups and downs of carrying quintuplets has welcomed her five babies into the world.

Dad of four girls faints at gender reveal for fifth baby

It was all too much excitement for this dad.

The simple way you can help your baby's language development

The way parents respond to their child's babbling can shape how their infants communicate.

Zika virus is 'spreading explosively': WHO

The World Health Organization announced that it will convene an emergency meeting about Zika.

National database recommended for child protection cases

Baby Ebony was repeatedly failed by the agencies tasked with her protection before her horrific death at the hands of her father, South Australia's deputy coroner says.

Hospitals put babies at risk by ignoring policy on elective caesareans

Thirty-eight weeks or 39? Non-medical factors are pushing women to have elective caesareans earlier than official guidelines - and hospitals are playing along.

Police help deliver baby on busy roadside

Two police officers delivered more than a traffic fine by the side of a busy Melbourne road yesterday.

1D's Louis Tomlinson shares first photo of baby

One Direction's Louis Tomlinson has posted the first picture of his baby boy, Freddie, on social media.

 

FREE TICKET

Free first aid demonstrations daily

Get your free ticket to the Essential Baby & Toddler Show and save $20 - register online now!

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.