, Jan 19 2013 11:51 AM
15 replies to this topic
Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:51 AM
I have hired an overnight nanny for when my husband and I are both away on work trips. Previously we've juggled between us and have never needed a nanny overnight, but this year that doesn't seem possible.
Does anyone have any advice for me about how to pay the nanny for the overnight hours? Our children are primary school age, go to bed at around 7pm and don't wake up until 6.30-7pm the next day (no overnight wakings). Usually hiring a nanny is easy: no. hours x hourly rate. How does this translate to hours when the nanny is asleep? We usually pay the nanny $25/hour, so an overnight stay would be quite expensive. However, I want to reward her for the inconvenience of being responsible for our children and staying away from home.
I was thinking of a flat rate, any ideas on how much? We're in a capital city.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:41 PM
I saw your post a few days ago but didn't get a chance to reply til now. I dont have experience with an overnight nanny but do use a nanny during the day while i am at work, so do have to think about payrates etc.
I think I would use to different pay rates. ie pay $25/hr for when the nanny is actively looking after the children or doing prep/housework etc, and one for the time when she is free of duties but still has to be at the house. Im not sure exactly what sort of hrs you are looking for but for eg:
- if she worked 5pm til 8am. 5-8pm $25/hr, then 8pm-6am at say $10-$15/hr and then 6-8am at $25/hr. You could add all that up and just quote a flat rate, or you could spell it out so she can see that she is being paid for every hr.
I actually dont know what a "standard" overnight hrly rate would be, I guessed at $10-15. We pay our daytime nanny $25/hr and our casual babysitter $20/hr for evening babysitting (when the kids are in bed for most of the time).
I guess also think about whether you are supply her food or not. And things like whether you would allow her access to your internet service etc. Also I assume you have a spare bed she can use, in her own room etc?
Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:46 PM
I'm not a nanny, but I do do passive/sleepover shifts in my job. These are paid at a flat rate of $86.xx. A few of our staff are ex-nannies. On balance, compared with similar workplaces, this is fairly well paid. Another work place I know of pays staff $4.xx per hour for a passive/sleepover shift. Some staff like doing passives, usually the young single ones. I loathe them and hadn't done one for about a year until recently.
In your situation, I'd be tempted to call it an even $100 for the night. I'm sure you'll be providing a nice environment, spare room, comfortable bed, heating/cooling etc...
Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:46 PM
I'm sorry, but you really need to pay her the same whether the kids are asleep or not. What happens if one of the kids is sick - how does she prove to you she sat up with the child? Or if there is an emergency, you would expect her to care for your children then, for more than $10-15 per hour.
Althernatively, you could have a flat rate 'per night' fee... So, $150 per night, perhaps (works out to less than $15 per hour on a 12 hour shift...
I'm not a nanny, but I do do passive/sleepover shifts in my job. These are paid at a flat rate of $86.xx. A few of our staff are ex-nannies. On balance, compared with similar workplaces, this is fairly well paid. Another work place I know of pays staff $4.xx per hour for a passive/sleepover shift.
Read this after I posted - Wow, that's a lot less than my husband was offered for overnight work last year. He was to be paid $80 per night for a single adult who was mostly self-sufficient anyway, but occasionally needed assistance overnight.
Edited by Sif, 21 January 2013 - 12:51 PM.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:50 PM
Sif's post reminded me that if the passive person is woken up, they get paid at their regular hourly rate for at least one hour. They do, however, have the active person to validate this though.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:00 PM
The minium wage is $15.96 per hour. I wouldn't be going below this, even if the kids are asleep, becaus ethe nanny is still responsible for your kids, and is still working, even if asleep.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:00 PM
So you could offer say $100/night but then extra if there are extra unexpected duties eg sickness. The children are primary school aged, so they will be able to tell Mum is they were sick or not. And I wouldn't employ a nanny to look after my children while I was interstate if I didn't think I could trust them to truthfully report back whether they were sick, needed extra attention etc.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:04 PM
You could argue that if the nanny is asleep she is not working, but is "on-call". There are a lot of workplaces that pay less that $16/hr to be on call (on site) and then extra if extra duties are required.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:17 PM
We have had our nanny do overnight duty a few times and we pay about $10 less per hour after 9pm, when the kids are asleep and then back up to normal rates after 6am. Remember all other costs still need to be paid like tax and super. We have never stipulated extra pay if children are sick etc. We are lucky that we have had a very good and long standing relationship with our nanny over the last 6 years. We have been good to her and she has been good to our family in turn.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:03 PM
Our old nanny charged $50/hour on weekends or overnight because she would have to get care for her own children. Needless to say, we never used her for that!
Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:15 PM
Our nanny was paid $22 per hour during the day, and $15 per hour at night when he was asleep, agreed in advance. Actually, i said i would pay $15/hr starting one hour after his usual bed time.
However, i would trxt her during the evening and see how things were going. If he was having a disturbed night, i would always make up the extra to the 'awake' rate.
This was just for evening babysitting, when she could doze on the couch or watch tv, but still had to go home, and didnt have an actual bed in her own room. If she was staying overnight in her own room, i would expect the passive hours when the child was asleep to be around $10/hr, and perhaps include a simple dinner/ pizza money and use of the wifi.
Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:03 PM
Thanks for the input. Yes, I confirm that I will provide a private room and bathroom (ensuite), all meals, wifi, heating/cooling/etc.
Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:09 PM
Funny how people think YOU set the rate for an overnight nanny.
Why not just ask the nanny how much they charge? I have never met a nanny so desperate for work that she is willing to drop her price.
Besides, it's not about being able to sleep and 'not work'. It's about being in someone else's house and NOT your own house/bed. It doesn't matter how much you don't work, it's still being at work. So pay up.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:45 PM
Take a chill pill people. I am not suggesting I don't pay her or that I under pay her. There is a convention surrounding overnight nannies and I am trying to understand current Australian practice.
Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:47 AM
I just thought I'd add this for people reading this thread who work nights or shift work. We use a family day carer overnight and on weekends. We pay $8.50 an hour per child and then get the 50% CCR and any CCB back from the goverment. Lots of people don't realise it's even an option
Posted 17 March 2013 - 06:13 AM
Does the FDC person come to your house or do you need to take your kids to them? I have 3 kids so most FDC won't consider me due to having their own kids pushing over the allowed ratio or other kids in their care etc.
1 user(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users
to WIN 1 of 2 $500 Coles/Myer gift cards
Your schedule is not important to your two-year-old, and you cannot convince her otherwise. So what can you do?
A child whose remains were dumped in a suitcase in the South Australian bush is believed to have been a girl aged between two-and-a-half to four.
An Argentinian mum and politician has caused a stir on social media after being filmed breastfeeding her baby.
It was 1am on a cold winter's night when I woke suddenly to the screams of my 12-month-old son. Our lives were about to change forever.
Inflatable and portable children's pools may be required to be sold with compulsory fencing to prevent backyard drownings, with some experts even floating the idea of a ban.
At 11.07am on April 2 this year, Sarah Marriott welcomed baby Sebastian into the world.
These kids' beds definitely fit the brief of providing personality and personal space for little people who are moving up in the world.
Since becoming noticeably pregnant, my son has taken more of an interest in the sibling he'll soon have.
In this age of political correctness, it seems the one subject still subject to discrimination is that of the Only Child.
A neighbour heard a child screaming before a baby was found dead, believed to have been stabbed, in a house in Newcastle.
So far, 206 Samsung washing machines have caught fire and some have exploded. But many remain in people's homes.
We all know that having a baby can turn your life upside down - and it can also bring a raft of new anxieties and worries.
Couples using IVF may be able to choose the gender of their babies and women could be financially compensated for donating their eggs.
Not too young, and not too old. That's reportedly the best age to get married. Not everyone agrees.
After giving birth, the last thing you want to think about is contraception. But you can get pregnant before your period comes back.
Parents of toddlers everywhere know the feeling. After working up the courage to take your child out for lunch or dinner in public you are rewarded with a mid-meal meltdown.
Two children were killed when pieces from their Malm furniture line tipped over.
If you're looking to introduce an organic element into your baby's nursery but want to step away from natural timber, we have the perfect alternative.
I am in no way qualified to advise women on how to cope with hyperemesis, but I've learnt some lessons that might be worth sharing with other partners.
Best friends share everything - and for these two life-long friends, that includes family.
Samuel Forrest didn't want his wife as a trustee of their baby Leo's half million dollar trust for her own "protection", it has emerged.
Men who become fathers experience weight gain and an increase in body mass index, a measurement of body fat based on height and weight, according to a new, large-scale study
She said the photo of a boy with Down syndrome in a washing machine was taken just for fun, but no one else was laughing.
An opulent high tea at a luxury Melbourne hotel has left 44 people with salmonella poisoning - including a pregnant woman, who went into early labour.
Would you know what to do in a fire emergency? How safe is your home and family?
Prince George's second birthday has been marked by the release of an official picture showing the toddler smiling as he is held by his proud beaming father.
Is it safe to use fake tan, hair dye and nail varnish during pregnancy?
The truth is, I can no longer deny that my walking, babbling, somewhat-independent little miss is no longer a bona fide 'baby'.
I'm not usually one who believes in love at first sight but that's exactly what happened when I first saw the Cybex PRIAM.
Get your free ticket to the Sydney Essential Baby & Toddler Show for September 25-27 - register online now.
to WIN 1 of 2 $500 Coles/Myer gift cards
I believe that you get out of families what you put into them, and I will give mine my all.
I have had two postnatal psychotic episodes. The first when my eldest child was six weeks old, and another after my second child was born.
French names are always in fashion, but a few have risen in popularity in recent years.
A British woman who gave birth in Spain has told of her ordeal after spending weeks trying to convince medics the baby girl was hers.
Some friends of ours say that it's dangerous to have a dog around a newborn and that we should start looking for a new home for him. Is it?
First Apple and Facebook announced they would pay $20,000 towards the cost of their female employees freezing their eggs, now IBM in the US has come up with an innovative new policy aimed at retaining female employees.
The Duke of Cambridge opened up about family life and his plans for the future in an interview to mark his first day as an air ambulance pilot.
A simple photo taken in front of an evening fire gave new mother Sarah Bowers the power to save her baby's life.
Of all the advice people told me before having a baby, no one warned me about the amount of decisions involved.
Parents of toddlers all know the moment when realise your child is being suspiciously quiet. It can only mean one thing - trouble!
If you have trouble recalling the ages of Jeremy Ryan's seven children on The Voice, you're not alone. So does he.
Getting glasses can be a formative moment in a person's life.
When a mum of six was caught shoplifting nappies, clothes and shoes for her kids, the last thing she expected was for a stranger to pay for her haul.
The risk of having uncontrolled depression is far greater than the small increased risk of birth defects that may be associated with specific antidepressants.
Police have raided properties and arrested a number of people over a brawl at a child's birthday party at a play centre in Sydney's west.
Looking for a creative way to share some big news? Look to the skies, like this family did.
Little Owen DiCandilo's name means "young warrior", and it's a description that perfectly fits the inspiring 18-month-old
The exhaustion that comes with caring for young children often means romance between parents becomes a thing of the past.
I've been fat for pretty much most of life, besides a few crazy moments of being less-fat, but for the most part I've existed on this earth with a little more meat on my bones than desirable.
Since the dawn of civilisation, generation after generation of new parents have had to rely on instinct, trial and error - and sometimes get it wrong.
Get your free ticket to The Essential Baby & Toddler Show and save $20 - register online now!