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#1 No-pants Agnodice

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:11 PM

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/...0115-2crh2.html


Do people really still believe this sort of drivel? I know Fairfax is hardly left leaning, but this seems quite ridiculously conservative for any modern sensibilities....





#2 kiam

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:17 PM

I would love to see the sources he used for this article, mainly because I bet there really isn't a whole lot of research into what percentage of single mothers receiving the dole are dating men who want to prey on said single mother's teenage daughter.

#3 EBeditor

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:19 PM

It is frightening that some people think like that. I was very offended. I am sure Fairfax will publish a rebuttal by another person, it is just one man's opinion.

The fact that no mention was made of single fathers  -or fathers in general, was just bizarre!

#4 karen_tim_black

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:22 PM

I'm pretty sur J Hirst is the 'black armband view of Indigenous Australian history' guy, so loved by J howard and friends.  He's an irritant.
Google him - you know you want to.

#5 bettymm

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:23 PM

I am hoping and praying that the wonderful, selfless, hardworking single mothers I know do not have the misfortune of reading this article.  How disgusting sad.gif

#6 kay11

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:24 PM

Correlation does not equal causation.

#7 EssentialBludger

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

I'm sure we all know someone who abuses the system, abuses their children and caught in a cycle of generational poverty. I think it's the exception rather than the rule though.

I was also pretty offended. I was a single parent at 16. My daughter is 8 now and I think I'm an excellent parent. biggrin.gif I work and in a few days I will be a home owner. biggrin.gif My kids want for nothing.

Single parent doesn't = deadbeat. Teenage parent doesn't = deadbeat. sad.gif I really hate the stereotype. sad.gif

#8 Who is me

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

So offensive. And what was the focus on boyfriends all about?

#9 123tree

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:30 PM

OMG I can't believe that drivel.

I am also astonished that the only way a woman can develop self esteem is to work so that she can be more discriminating about her boyfriends.  This astounds me for two reasons.

(1) As someone who has worked a lot in manufacturing which employs a lot of unskilled labour (and not all single mums are unskilled). I have seen people belittled by their managers, offered family destroying rotating shifts and minimum pay rates that I would find difficult to support a child on as a single person when before and after school care is taken into consideration.

(2) I feel good about myself in my life as my worth as a good mother, good friend, good global citizen, and competent in many areas of my personal life.  I am smart, strong and brave.  I cannot imagine where I got this idea from as a SAHM.

I must have missed this "cookie cutter" single mother cliche in my life as the only single mums i know are good mums and good women.

#10 No-pants Agnodice

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:30 PM

I just wanted to say that I do hope that this is not a source of angst to all the single mothers on this forum. I posted it to express surprise that anyone at all would think like this because I genuinely think that this must be a rarity. I hope you all know that most of the world (I hope) is in solidarity with you.

#11 Ianthe

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:34 PM

I wonder how many people living in relationships are purely on welfare because *warning anecdotal evidence ahead* in my volunteer work I see as many couples with dependent children as I do single mothers. I think having a working parent in a household is a good thing but this article singling single mothers out is infuriating.

#12 kadoodle

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:36 PM

What an utter load of tripe.  The claim that there are all these single mothers bludging in front of daytime tv, gorging on junk while their latest boyfriend molests their children is the most vile thing I have read in a long time.  mad.gif

Edited by kadoodle, 16 January 2013 - 07:38 PM.


#13 purplekitty

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:36 PM

This sent an extra shiver down my spine.
They worked so well in the past.

"Running institutions is a trouble for governments. The better course would be for the government to stop paying the single-parenting allowance to girls under 21 and fund non-government organisations to run hostels for girls who become pregnant and want to have their baby."


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/...l#ixzz2I85c3SVO

#14 No-pants Agnodice

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

There was talk in another thread today about the 'deserving poor' vs the 'undeserving poor'.

In the 1970s, single mums were clearly seen as the undeserving poor and had their babies forcibly removed.

By the 1980s, welfare protections were brought in so that single mothers could keep and raise their children; there was this brief return to seeing unworking single mothers as the 'deserving poor'.

I'm sure someone more clever than me knows the answer to this (and I'm sure it has something to do with neoliberalism), but I'm not sure when and why unworking single mothers are again seen as the 'undeserving poor'. Is the important job of raising the children who will become citizens of our world insufficient?

#15 Lees75

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE (AvadaKedavra @ 16/01/2013, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just wanted to say that I do hope that this is not a source of angst to all the single mothers on this forum. I posted it to express surprise that anyone at all would think like this because I genuinely think that this must be a rarity. I hope you all know that most of the world (I hope) is in solidarity with you.

Thanks:). Unfortunately, I think that the majority actually can't distinguish between real life and the media-fueled stereotypes. We were talking about PPS/Newstart in the lunch room the other day and all the stereotypes came out (bunch of professionals). I interjected and the response I got was, "Oh, you're different, Lis, you aren't the typical single mum. You're our boss" I had to remind them that the three highest paid staff in our company are all single mums. Plus the admin manager. And no-one personally knew any "typical" single mums, but yet, unless challenged, read these type of articles and agree with them.

#16 purplekitty

Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

QUOTE (AvadaKedavra @ 16/01/2013, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sure someone more clever than me knows the answer to this (and I'm sure it has something to do with neoliberalism), but I'm not sure when and why unworking single mothers are again seen as the 'undeserving poor'. Is the important job of raising the children who will become citizens of our world insufficient?
In Australia ,the election of a Labor Government in the 70's saw a change to the welfare system which continued with the election of Bob Hawke in the 80's.
I would say things went downhill again when John Howard came to power. I can still remember some of Jocelyn Newman's statements when she was Community Service Minister.


#17 Chelli

Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

As the daughter of a teenage mother, I was completely offended by that article. How disgusting there was no mention of fathers or the fact that women are often left impoverished after the breakdown of a marriage.

I'd better leave it there, attitudes like that make my blood boil and I'd best not google what he thinks about Indigenous issues.

#18 StopTheGoats

Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

Oh my word sick.gif

#19 SlightlyLeftFeral

Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:25 PM

I read it this morning, it is disgusting.

I am a single mum, and every single mum I know wants the absolute best for their children. I am sure the stereotype exists, somewhere! But not in my very wide circle of friends and acquaintances.

#20 StopTheGoats

Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:25 PM

I can't comment on the journalists thoughts within EB's language guidelines. I will say something about his 'source' though. Pru Goward is the same person who without ANY strategy declared publicly that she could just cut 30% of the foster care budget a moment after entering office. And did so by cutting funding to respite foster care programs which have delivered tens of millions of dollars of value to the community at virtually no cost, which built valuable links inside local communities and which kept vulnerable families under strain together. Followed by huge cuts to permanent foster care program's which provide stability for children who may never have had any.
Forgive me if I ignore her thoughts on what is in the best interests of at risk children.

#21 patsd

Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:30 PM

My brain hurts from trying to substantiate the associations he made in that piece of rubbish "writing".

What a load of tripe.

I am a single mother. I work full time. I am buying my own property. I don't even watch evening-time TV, let alone day-time. I do enjoy the infrequent piece of junk food, but my children eat salad, regularly (do as I say, not as I do). I am confident that my children are as at "risk" from my choice of partner as anyone who is in receipt of government benefits.

#22 Chelli

Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:31 PM

QUOTE (EssentialBludger @ 16/01/2013, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sure we all know someone who abuses the system, abuses their children and caught in a cycle of generational poverty. I think it's the exception rather than the rule though.

I was also pretty offended. I was a single parent at 16. My daughter is 8 now and I think I'm an excellent parent. biggrin.gif I work and in a few days I will be a home owner. biggrin.gif My kids want for nothing.

Single parent doesn't = deadbeat. Teenage parent doesn't = deadbeat. sad.gif I really hate the stereotype. sad.gif

I think this bears repeating. My mum has worked hard to own her own house, had no parental support as her father passed away and her mother had a MI, and no support of any kind whatsoever from her deadbeat ex. As a child I was unaware of societal perceptions of single mothers, but I can imagine it may have been as ignorant and biased as the attitude in the article depicts. I do know she was once turned down for a job because my sister and I were considered too young for her to be out of the home. I'm sure that probably still happens but employers wouldn't be allowed to say that to single mothers anymore.

#23 No-pants Agnodice

Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:38 PM

QUOTE (Chelli @ 16/01/2013, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd best not google what he thinks about Indigenous issues.



I reached that conclusion too.

I am amazed that anyone with the most basic knowledge of history would suggest institutionalisation of anyone, much less an Emeritus Professor. This suggests that his view of history are unlikely to accord with mine.

#24 MaeGlyn

Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:47 PM

lol. A bit of a silly view about single mothers. What about silly mothers like my mother who never wanted to be single so took any abusive male she could to be her partner. If my mum actually chose to be a single mum and have some standards, I would have been much better off.

Sometimes being a single mum deserves a medal.

Edited by MaeGlyn, 16 January 2013 - 08:48 PM.


#25 StopTheGoats

Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

MaeGlyn I feel the same way.





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