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#1 ~A2~

Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:58 AM

Hi all

New thread time

Previous thread

Regards

Ali


#2 Blossom73

Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:08 AM

GOLD! Woohoo!

Beancat, hope the Physio helps. I've been considering going to get some help with my pelvic floor. Did you need a referral?

Edited by Blossom73, 16 January 2013 - 10:09 AM.


#3 Jo-Anna

Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:03 AM

Silver!
Yay first one ever!

#4 lacey01

Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:46 AM

Bronze- oooo my first one as well. how fun lol

#5 Beancat

Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE (Blossom73 @ 16/01/2013, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
GOLD! Woohoo!

Beancat, hope the Physio helps. I've been considering going to get some help with my pelvic floor. Did you need a referral?


Hi Blossom 73, no didnt need a referral.  If you are in Melbourne I can give you her details.  She is excellent and used by Francess Perry House as their in house physio as well as doing private practice.  She only does womens problems and i should only need a couple of visits.  So even though she is very expensive it could end up cheaper than going to someone who doesnt know much about the problem and having to go for several visits

#6 Blossom73

Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:19 AM

Thanks Beancat. Not in Melbourne so will ask around for some good recs in Sydney.

#7 Jenganoosh

Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:25 AM

Hey ladies! Hope everyone is coping with the heat, growing bellies, nesting and all of the other delights original.gif I had my 6mth checkup with my midwife today, and I've been diagnosed with SPD. I had a feeling given the extraordinary pain I've had in my pubic/pelvis area, but I didn't have this first time around, and was wondering if anyone else has had it before, or been diagnosed this pregnancy, and how you are managing it? I've been icing, taking Panadol and I got a belly belt in the mail yesterday so will start wearing it. Ergh, hope it goes away after the birth.

ETA: My midwife also said they would be happy to hand our baby up to me as he is delivered via CS for immediate skin-to-skin! I'm pretty happy about this biggrin.gif

Edited by Jenganoosh, 17 January 2013 - 12:43 PM.


#8 Beancat

Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:05 PM

Hi Jenganoosh.  Yes have SPD this pregnancy, and for the other two.  Have managed it differenty each time.  Is this your first pregnancy - hate to tell you but it generally gets worse with each pregnancy, this time I have sciaticia as well.

Am managing by doing:
Seeing a specialised womens physio in Melb
Back is currenty taped
Wearing tubi grip 24/7 - likely to start the belt next week
Supportive pillows at nights
Keeping legs together/square 24/7 (ie imagine you are constanty wearing a mini skirt)
Pelvic floor and deep core exercises
Minimise lifting and twisting movements
Walking on the flat
Avoiding hills and stairs

#9 Jenganoosh

Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

Oh geez beancat, not boogie!

2nd pregnancy, didn't have it with my first at all. But that was 7 years ago original.gif

Hopefully this belly belt helps. I will definitely be going to a specialist physio if this gets any worse.

Look after yourself!

#10 HopefulAngel

Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:20 PM

Hello Ladies belated xmas and new year wishes to you all.  Ive been in Sydney well a small country town outside of Newcastle since before xmas just got back home Tuesday night.  We had to wait for NSW fires to go out so we could travel home, that and I didnt have good reception. So I am back home and just caught up on everyone.  Welcome to all the newbies, congrats on the pink and blues and positive u/s results.  AFM I finally get to see little peanut tomorrow for my 20 week scan, Im currently 22 weeks so hoping everything is good.  Hoping DF will change his mind about finding out gender.  I'd like to know he wants a surprise.  Time shall tell.  Being a larger lady I dont know if Im small or huge but I tell you I feel huge!  LOL  Yes I have kranckles or whatever you call them but being attcked by mossies at Hay didnt help!  I also have been exceptionally lucky I have been able to feel bubs for weeks now.  Since new year stronger and can see/feel from outside.  My bump is quiet high up.  Survived some scoarcher days in sYDNEY AND HAD 43.1 IN Adelaide today - OMG!!!  I'll let you all know how tomorrow goes.  Before I go I love the tips and pointers regarding clothes and prams, being a firsttime mummy they are very very helpful - keep them coming ladies.  We haven't brought a thing!   wacko.gif  

Oh weehaggis awesome news!!!!  All the very best for the next 9months

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#11 MrsLexiK

Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:01 AM

Goodluck for your scan today HopefulAngel!!! Glad you survived the heat!

#12 elsea

Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:05 PM

Hi Everyone,

Haven't been on here in a little bit, hope everyone is going well!

I just bought some things from this website www.breastmates.co.nz - considering the AUS-NZ dollar is pretty good at the moment ($1 to $NZ1.20 I think), plus you get 15% discount as you don't pay their GST, it works out pretty good prices. I'm trying the wool breast pads - I liked the bamboo ones, but would easily wet thru them at night, and didn't find any that stayed in the right spot - overnight I used bamboo strips that were from MCN's that I hadn't used yet, and am thinking of getting some fresh ones, as they sat better when your boobs move when you roll over etc.
I also got a BF "privacy cover" thingy - they look good, and I spent the whole time last time trying to balance a muslin wrap and a wiggly baby! this time I'll be toddler wrangling as well...

Els

#13 RachealJane

Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:23 AM

Hi everyone. It gets so quiet in here on the weekends.

We had another 43'c day here on Friday. It was terrible. But luckily my parents in-law have aircon so DD and I spent half the day there watching DVDs.

Els - do you use a nipple shield when breastfeeding? I only ask because that is the only time I've ever seen someones breast whilst breastfeeding. I really don't like to use a cover personally, I feel you get more looks with it on then without, but each to their own I guess.

My midwife is booking my appts every 4 week's now, is that similar to everyone else?

I was given my referral for the glucose tolerance test to do between 26 to 28 weeks... so not looking forward to it!! I don't do hungry well, its like being too hot, I just get really cranky.

Hope all is well with everyone.

#14 Seza

Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

45 degrees here on Friday and I got burnt sad.gif

RachealJane - My midwife visits are also every 4 weeks now until 30 weeks when they change to fortnightly I think...

Also received my GTT referral at my last appointment in addition to my referral for my 34 week scan!!!
Wow that is coming up way too fast.

AFM Its been an interesting week, my ex called and asked to talk after 4 months of almost no contact. So he's decided that he is going to be a dad and be involved at least somewhat in my little boy's life.

Now I am happy that my son will know his dad but this is also a real pain as he hasn't actually decided to what extent he wants to be involved or if we will get back together (he only left because I refused to terminate).

So I am hugely confused and still stuck with no idea what I should be planning for as he said he still needs time to think... At this rate he'll decide to be get back together but the kid will be 18 and he'll have missed his chance!!!

Anyway, on another note all is going well healthwise. My brother (16) felt bubs kicking yesterday and was thrilled original.gif Just wish there was no negativity around me and I could enjoy being pregnant the way I want to.

Rant over, sorry all

#15 countrychic29

Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:49 AM

Hi everyone,

Seza - that is good news that the ex has contact you, however i dont envy what a confusing position this must have put you in after dealing with your pregnancy on your own so far. i hope it all works out the way you want original.gif
Rachaeljane - yes we are booking 4 week appts now, getting towards the point end!
Elsea - thanks for the tips

AFM - everything pretty normal here, although i think i have over done it the last week, late nights out & busy days trying to fit everyone in ... have ended up with quite bad liagment pains which is annoying...so trying to take it very easy - which is difficult, at least DH (after seeing me wince in pain) has been a little more helpful and considerate.
Hope everyone else is well

#16 elsea

Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:44 PM

Hi All,

RachaelJane - no I never needed nipple shields, but I had a squirmy sticky-beak baby who wouldn't concentrate on feeding from 12wks, so a wrap or quiet room was required!  I thought this style wrap will be easier to manage than balancing a muslin over the shoulder.

Seza - such a tough situation, I hope you can sort out things (if you want to). A friend of mine who's a single mum chose not to put the father on the birth certificate, as apparently that would mean needing his permission if she wanted to travel o/s etc... have you looked at those legalities?

Not seeing my Ob for another week - have only seen her a couple of times, but it was easier to see her the days I work, and now it looks like they won't be there that day - grrrr.. I will have to take DS (2yrs) with me next time, and with any luck his first train ride will go smoothly...

I'm adding to my pregnancy "aides" - I bought a trolley for the clothes basket original.gif best thing ever! I am tall, and my pelvis is not happy with me, so bending to get the clothes out of the basket was awful... I love the trolley so much that I told DH I will go on "laundry strike" if it ever breaks down! biggrin.gif

Still no decision on a double pram - I like the Steelcraft Compact, but the sales lady was showing me the Baby Jogger City Select... apparently neither really suit a newborn in the seat (but can hold a capsule, or you can get a basinette)... I wish my pram (which is an older model of the Peg Perego Uno) could hold two sad.gif  It does everything and is so easy to fold etc..  I'm debating just using the carrier for a while and my old pram, but I worry I'm being silly as I will only be sorer after this pregnancy!  It is more for when we go places that are a bit off-road with no kiddie facilities (ie we go to motorsport events a lot) - our pram does not handle gravel or grass.  Any other prams I should investigate?  A tandem double seems the way to go as it can revert back to a single...



#17 MrsLexiK

Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

QUOTE (elsea @ 21/01/2013, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Still no decision on a double pram - I like the Steelcraft Compact, but the sales lady was showing me the Baby Jogger City Select... apparently neither really suit a newborn in the seat (but can hold a capsule, or you can get a basinette)... I wish my pram (which is an older model of the Peg Perego Uno) could hold two sad.gif It does everything and is so easy to fold etc.. I'm debating just using the carrier for a while and my old pram, but I worry I'm being silly as I will only be sorer after this pregnancy! It is more for when we go places that are a bit off-road with no kiddie facilities (ie we go to motorsport events a lot) - our pram does not handle gravel or grass. Any other prams I should investigate? A tandem double seems the way to go as it can revert back to a single...


what about the MB? off-road these are really great prams. they handle gravel and grass and sand great!

#18 sarkazm76

Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

Elsea we have the BJCS and a friend of mine, with 3 kids, does too.  Saw her on the weekend and she is currently using it with a seat on the front for her 2 year old and the bassinet on the top for her little newborn.  She has the capsule as well.  I've decided against the capsule option as the 2 that work with it are only 1 star rating on CREP.  So I was hoping I could just buy a 2nd seat and use that but, as you said, they don't recommend it and after seeing the bassinet on the weekend.... looks like a better option.  So I've asked her to sell or loan me her bassinet kit if she's done with it by May, lol.  Mine is purple and hers is black but I don't care original.gif  I'm going to check EBAY too.  So I will have to buy the 2nd seat kit and then the bassinet kit fits to the seat frame to make a laying down bassinet.  There will be no room in my car, lol.  I figure this way when it's just me and bubs I can do what I did with number 1 and just carry bubs around in our SNS capsule (sit it inside a trolley etc).  But when I have them both I'll just have to transfer bubs from capsule to bassinet.  Not as easy as click and go but it will do.  I don't see myself going to 100 places a week anyway biggrin.gif
Washing Trolleys are awesome biggrin.gif  I'd totally have one if our laundry and clothes line were not separated by a retaining wall and grass, lol.

RachelJane my GTT is booked for 28weeks and a scan same day (fun day at the hospital for me).  I'm seeing the Dr at the hospital a week later where I will tell them I'm no interested in their request I have 2 more scans and see them both times afterward given I requested share care with my GP and that I am NOT high risk.  Grrrr.  So I think that means midwife every 4 weeks - or maybe midwife/ GP take turns, I can't remember (lol) and don't have my book with me.
I used a nipple shield for 2 weeks with DS and there is no way I could do that in public without exposing way more than I would want to.  I'm hoping this time to have more BF success though.  I only used the shield due to engorgement and not being able to work out how to get him on without it until I went to daily clinics to sort it out.

Speaking of boobies... does anyone have REALLY itchy nipples?!  It comes and goes but man o man mine have been really bugging me and I scratch until I bleed sometimes.  
And my heartburn is shockingly bad!!!!  So over it.

Seza that's a tough situation... I hope it works out the way you want.  Agree that you need to work out your legalities too - oh and if he's on the birth certificate then he will be expected to pay child support too.  If you were to ever claim benefits they would pay you less based on how much he should be paying you and then if he's not it could be hard - from what I've been told anyway.  But then you'd have to have no dad on there and constantly explain to Centrelink that you don't know who it is.  Or, like my friend, where this was actually the truth, say "he was an Irish backpacker named Nick - if you can find him then I'd be amazed".  lol.  Do you actually want him back, in a relationship with you, after what he did?  Just curious - no judging original.gif

Not much else from me - DH got a job (yay) but it's somewhere we have both worked 8 years ago that was horrible so we're treating it as a casual job until something else comes his way.  But at least that means we can do what we need to do now.  So we went to IKEA yesterday and got chests of drawers for both kids, a rug for DS's room, one of those 2 x 4 cube shelve units for DS's room and some lamps/ wall lights for both kids too.  $400+ later  wwhistle.gif   And 2 hours at IKEA = one feral 2 year old!!  Ended up buying a $1 watering can and 7 x $1 fake flowers just so he could play with them in the trolley, sigh.  So now we have that stuff... we just need to clean out the junk room to actually set it up for DS and then can make the changes to the nursery too.  Lot of work.
Otherwise 3 more weeks until my tests/ next appointments so just cruising along.  I really need some hipster undies - I still haven't gotten around to checking them out yet (I doubt I will find any in size 20 so have been meaning to go to my local maternity store) but the bikini ones I'm wearing all just roll down under my belly and it's not comfortable!  Got my Beautiful Bellies delivery today (2 pairs of pants and a BF top) so looking forward to trying on when I get home.  They have 50% off this month, FYI if you missed it earlier original.gif

Edited by sarkazm76, 21 January 2013 - 02:52 PM.


#19 MrsLexiK

Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE (sarkazm76 @ 21/01/2013, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Speaking of boobies... does anyone have REALLY itchy nipples?! It comes and goes but man o man mine have been really bugging me and I scratch until I bleed sometimes.
And my heartburn is shockingly bad!!!! So over it.


Yes my god I thought I was going crazy, Saturday they were so bad!!!!!! I couldn't believe it.  My heartburn is really bad today, but that is my fault I forgot to take my zantac yesterday when I woke up so took it at 10 or 11, I was in bed by 7.45 so missed the night one so I think it will take me a day or two to get ontop of it again (as I had tomatoe lunch) I have to take the zantac every 12 hours.  So glad your DH got a job, even if it is not for a great company it is a job original.gif Yay!!!!

AFM: I have feeling bubs a lot more today.  I have times when bubs is active normally and regularly (ie in the morning, at about lunchtime and from about 6-9 at night) but I think I have a really lazy baby as it doesnt seem as active as others are which has me a bit anxious. Mum was trying to feel it on the weekend and she couldn't sad.gif

#20 countrychic29

Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

QUOTE (MrsLexiK @ 21/01/2013, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what about the MB? off-road these are really great prams. they handle gravel and grass and sand great!


I checked these out on the weekend ... i loved it.
But it didnt fit in my car! only the swift will just fit and everyone keeps going on about the quality from china so i dont know what to do.

I originally want the cameleon but didnt want to spend that much, DH likes the Icandy which is even more but gives us the option of adding the extra seat.
Only other option for us that will fit in car and be ok on gravel road is the BJCS - but im not its biggest fan.
Looked at the Phil & Teds navigtor as well and wasnt that impressed.

Thinking i might get an everyday pram and maybe buy a MB Terrain second hand for around our place - being a winter bub i really have to wonder how much pram use i will get while they have to be in a bassinet

#21 yoohooyou

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:00 PM

Hi ladies, not much to report this end which is why I've been quite. Another with the itchy boobs I'm having a good scratch now!

As for prams, first time around with dd had a MB which was fabulous, rolls over everything and really comfortable. The downside is the older model either didn't at all or *just* fit through the shopping lane at the supermarket which was a pain and pump up wheels which were fine if you didn't get a flat a long way from the car or home (which happened to me more times that I can count).

Tossing up whether to buy another MB and wandered into the baby jogger section at baby bunting and saw the city mini gt which I fell in love with, that fold, amazing! Ordered one online ($350 delivered as opposed to $600 in baby bunting) and was here in four days. Pushes like a dream even with 25kg dd in it!

We also need a new car seat, oh yes and the car to go around it, as our current model is getting older and a touch small. Doesn't help that neither one of us is into cars at all and all we can decide on is a station wagon as parking is not my strong suit and I wonder how much damage I can do with an SUV and a supermarket carpark pole! Suggestion on models gratefully accepted. The only criteria is less than five years old, but not brand new, around $20k and will fit two kids and a tall and medium sized adult.

It all seems to be happening here, but the funny thing is I still think I have months and months to worry about this. I read the thread about preparing for going to hospital and wondered why you would be planning so early, and then realised I am having a baby in 12 weeks! Holy crap!

Sarkszm great news about the job and the trip to Ikea, I can't get dh near the place no matter what I promise in return.

Seza, such a hard situation but I suppose from reading your update it sounds like you are letting him decide what he wants to do. I haven't been in your situation, but I would think it is about what you need, not him. Put yourself first for once and decide what's acceptable to you and whether you want to get back together or not.

My girlfriend was in a similar position after her baby was born, her ex-dh decided that he didn't want to be a parent, moved out and then 12 months came back and said he'd made a huge mistake. It went on for a few months, but in the end she decided she couldn't trust him, especially if it got hard again. Five years later they are both re-married, her with two more kids and him with just the original and no plans to have anymore, it all worked out great but it was so hard at the time, I really feel for you.

Edited by scutterbug, 21 January 2013 - 05:05 PM.


#22 sarkazm76

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE (countrychic29 @ 21/01/2013, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DH likes the Icandy which is even more but gives us the option of adding the extra seat.
Only other option for us that will fit in car and be ok on gravel road is the BJCS - but im not its biggest fan.


Hey when I was deciding whether to buy the BJCS or not I came across this and thought overall the BJCS is better than the Icandy.  But she's now switched to say long term the Icandy served her better (read the blurb at top).  I'm confused as to why she says the BJCS can't take weight unless on a flat surface - I've had my 2year old and had it loaded up with shopping many times and never had an issue.

Anyway... have a read original.gif  Personally I don't like doubles where one kid sits underneath the other so that's a big plus for the BJ for me.

http://www.jussy.plus.com/CS&P/CSP.html



#23 sarkazm76

Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (MrsLexiK @ 21/01/2013, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes my god I thought I was going crazy, Saturday they were so bad!!!!!! I couldn't believe it.  My heartburn is really bad today, but that is my fault I forgot to take my zantac yesterday when I woke up so took it at 10 or 11, I was in bed by 7.45 so missed the night one so I think it will take me a day or two to get ontop of it again (as I had tomatoe lunch) I have to take the zantac every 12 hours.  So glad your DH got a job, even if it is not for a great company it is a job original.gif Yay!!!!

AFM: I have feeling bubs a lot more today.  Mum was trying to feel it on the weekend and she couldn't sad.gif



Oh I'm glad it's not just me - I was starting to wonder if I had some sort of infection, lol.  Although I'm sorry it's happenning to others of course sad.gif
For the heartburn our pharmacist told DH that Gaviscon was the only thing that works in preganncy to actually control heartburn.... though I used Zantac last time and thought it was quite effective.  I don't have it so bad that I have to take it every day so I feel for you.  Drinking the Gaviscon is gross too, lol.

Same - bubs has been rockin and rollin today.  but on the weekend DH couldn't feel anything.  I'm there "oh c'mon you had to feel that one".... "no".  Sigh.



#24 elsea

Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:33 PM

Hi All,

Thanks for the pram suggestions and website - I'll keep researching original.gif It seems some prams can be very hard to push with two kids onboard - which is a bit silly when you consider that is EXACTLY what I plan to do!

scutterbug - what online site did you buy your city mini from?  sounds like you got a bargain!


I've had itchy skin for AGES!! esp my boobs.... I've already gone thru a bottle of bio oil, and I find if I forget to apply it, I'm very itchy the next day.  I think it is my skin stretching or something...

I haven't had heartburn much yet, but I took zantac solidly for the last trimester last time... and had a baby with a full head of hair  wub.gif  There was research that proved that old wives tale, but they don't know why original.gif

Nearly 23wks...  ffear.gif

Els

#25 Beancat

Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:50 PM

Cant believe we are all at or approaching the magic 6 months/25 week mark.  I feel so much better after this point because if bub is born from now on things can work out ok.

My appointments have been every 3-4 weeks since 10 weeks and will stick too this until 30 weeks.  Then I think i am every two weeks until 36 weeks and then weekly till 38 weeks delivery.

My PSD and sciatica are improving....after $300 in physio, back taping and am now required to wear the belt for the rest of the pregnancy sad.gif  On the upside, it keeps my pants up!

I bought a few things in the Target sale for bub.  I am calling this bub my budget baby as she is no 3 and the second girl so we dont really have to buy much for her!  I got her some of the Hungry Caterpillar stuff from target and a few new suits from PP.  I also got a new Oi Oi nappy bag.  Other than a few new fitted sheets, I cant see we will need much else.

Not much else happening.  DP is working all long weekend due to the weather (he works for a fire agency).  So we wont see him from Thursday to Tuesday.  I feel like a single mum in summer.  Oh, i have a job interview tomorrow for some casual relief teaching, will see how that goes.

cheers, stay cool everyone




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It's not where she expected to give birth, but mum Corrine Cinatl is delighted that her daughter's roadside arrival was captured in a series of beautiful photos.

Doctor sings first Happy Birthday to newborns

His job is to deliver babies, but this US obstetrician also has a unique way of celebrating the miracle of life.

Join the Real Mums Test Drive Team

Five mums or mums-to-be will join the EB Test Drive Team and discover great items at an exclusive Big W event. (Sydney only.)

The Nappy Collective starts new drive

It's that time of year when the dedicated volunteers at The Nappy Collective do their bit to help out mums and children in need - and they need your help.

Baby shower cake wrecks

From misshapen cake babies to questionable text, from odd colour choices to internal organ recreation, these are the baby shower cakes that taste forgot.

Photographer captures the beauty of adoption

The love of a family is usually tough to capture on camera. This is an exception.

Pregnancy progression photo ideas

Want to record your pregnancy as your belly grows? Here are some creative, fun ideas for photo shoots along the way.

The myths and facts about "normal" breastfeeding

When it comes to successful breastfeeding, there is a wide variety to what is "normal", according to new research.

Tin can craft and DIY ideas

Got a few old formula, Milo or coffee cans around the house? Use these fantastic upcycling ideas to create items for around the house and yard.

Dads meet their newborn for the first time

Emotional photos of two fathers meeting their newborn son have resonated with viewers worldwide, attracting thousands of Facebook likes and shares.

Skin safety isn't just a summer worry

Lax about the slip slop slap with your kids as weather turns cooler? Here's a reminder as to why we have to remain vigilant for our children?s future health.

Personalised baby gifts

We've scoured the internet to find gorgeous personalised keepsakes and nursery decor to record baby name and dates. They make great gifts for christenings, name days and birthdays! (All prices in AU.)

Creative sleeping baby photoshoots

See how some parents and photographers have captured sleeping babies in unusual positions and using different props.

DIY kitchen and food hacks

DIY your way to a better kitchen and make cooking easier with our clever hacks. (Some content reproduced with permission from mashable.com.)

Winter warmers for babies and toddlers

Your baby or toddler will be nice and snug in these beautiful and fun winter pieces. Most are hand-made or knitted, and they're all designed to keep your little one toastie - and adorable!

 

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