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#1 CallMeFeral

Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

What do you think of this?
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-...0114-2cpnd.html

I'm conflicted about this. On the one hand I like that it should take away people's tendency's to discount women's anger about something by putting it down to something biological. That's patronising.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure it exists for some people. And pre-pregnancy, it never did for me - and then suddenly post pregnancy, I had a massive blowup with DH every single time my period was due. Something, chemically, had changed, and although I wasn't picking the fights, I was definitely less tolerant and more prone to escalation the day before my period arrived.

So WDYT?

#2 steppy

Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:47 AM

I'm sure it exists. I don't get it badly, but sometimes I catch myself in this particular mood. A mood a bit unlike other bad moods. Sort of a permanent on edginess and a shortness of temper with things I usually honestly do not care about. And then a couple of days later I get my period and go "oh yeah". And it isn't something I'm expecting - I often lose touch completely with my cycle and have no idea when it is due. That weird mood is a clue. I don't always get it, but I definitely get it sometimes.

#3 Bluenomi

Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:48 AM

I know I get snappy and easily annoyed just before my period. I was the same in early pregnancy so I'm sure it's hormone related. I find myself getting really worked up over little things and a few days later when my period comes I realise why.

#4 HollyDocker

Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

Absolutely it exists. Ask my kids...

#5 steppy

Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

Also, they shouldn't publish articles like that. "Scientists prove ... latest dumb whatever". I have no faith in scientists in general because of stupid articles like that one. If the Chinese etc don't have PMS, how come you can get Chinese remedies for it?

#6 erindiv

Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:50 AM

It's never happened to me. I'm just horrible all the time Tounge1.gif

Seriously though, I have never had any kind of mood fluctuation, HOWEVER I have been on the OCP since I was 15 years old, with 12 month breaks at 19.5-20.5 and 21.5-22.5 to have each of my kids. I have only had about 3 natural cycles not resulting in pregnancy in the last 8 years, so I probably haven't given myself the chance to experience anything like PMS.

(Typing this just made me realise how long I've been on the OCP for and how little I've been off it. That kind of scares me.)

#7 seayork2002

Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

I have no idea but I have seen femists carry on that women are not over emotional and men are to blame then you have the women who whine that their husbands "don't undertsand them" then you get the preganant women (I have seen a lot say it on here alone) say I am feeling 'hormonal' when pregnant but when their husbands say it they have a hissy fit and say it is not true. But I have known women (and men) who have suffered from what could be considered PMS.

But as for everything it can happen when it suits the person claiming they have when they it suits them.

#8 lucky 2

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:04 PM

I have always had a degree of difficulty falling asleep when my period approaches, so that would make me more tired and stressed and more irritable.
Does that then mean the possible emotional symptoms in peri-menopause don't exist either?

#9 jovana

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

I am pretty sure it does exist, I'm an absolute mess week before period is due... emotional, anxious, snappy, bloated, with back and leg pain, sore breasts, I have troubles falling asleep. I'm dreading it each month.
DSD is really young and going through it as well, although with milder symptoms, but she's really scared of how it might be bad later on in life...
And to make things worse, our periods are synhronised, so there's a double dose of PMS for everyone else in the house, each month.  ohmy.gif

Edited by jovana, 15 January 2013 - 12:45 PM.


#10 Yomumma

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

It exists. No doubt in my mind about that!!

#11 lamarque

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

I think it does and it is getting worse as I'm sliding into 40.  

I am far less tolerant of the kids, their noise and also need to have the house completely spotless.

#12 Liz75

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

I have to say I most definitely struggle with it and really dont understand how people say it does not exist.

We know there are changes in our hormones throughout a menstal cycle and prior to your period with the increase and then decline of progesterone and estrogen. I would say PMS is just the way these impact on mood/physical being and some people are more sensitive than others.

Just before my period I get very bloated, constipated, can't sleep, irrational and I have a strong desire to clean. I have episoides where I will explode at the smallest thing and feel very insular with my thoughts ie I can't see past my own self, and then the next day I get my period and it is like a dark cloud has been lifted and I can see how irrational I was.

#13 Mrs Dinosaurus

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

I thought science had already proven it does exist?

Paper but no research!


My sister gets it like a banshee - she has seen several specialists in an effort to control it as it has such a huge impact on her life, she is 35 and still has major episodes.

I have definitely got the pain - no scientific study to the contrary is going to make me believe that once a month at the same time every month I have the same excrutiating pain and it's not linked to menstruation, therefore it is pre-menstruation and therefore belongs in the category of pre-menstral syndrome.

I agree with your OP about having women's emotions dismissed as PMS and the like.

Damn it. laughing2.gif

#14 JustBeige

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

Absolutely it exists.

GP's and other specialists prescribe medicines or alternative therapies for women who have it.

Hormone fluctuations DO impact the way you handle life and stress etc.  and pregnancy and breastfeeding hormones just make you nuts.


It must.  otherwise DH just needs to shoot me now.

#15 EsmeLennox

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

It definitely exists. I am such a moody b**ch for a few days before I get my period. I hate it, I feel awful and I find it very difficult to remain calm and sensible. I have been on the pill for the last three months and I have been absolutely fine. I have found it is definitely worse as I have gotten older.

If it doesn't exist as something that is influenced by hormones I find it quite miraculous that when not using a hormonal contraception I get highly moody, painful breasts, then four days later I get my period. If I am taking hormonal contraception I get none of these symptoms.

As for using it as an excuse to be angry, that is just insulting. I try incredibly hard every month to not be angry, to control my irritation and temper. I do not use it as an excuse to let rip. How patronising.

Edited by Jemstar, 15 January 2013 - 12:27 PM.


#16 BadCat

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:22 PM

QUOTE (lucky 2 @ 15/01/2013, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have always had a degree of difficulty falling asleep when my period approaches, so that would make me more tired and stressed and more irritable.
Does that then mean the possible emotional symptoms in peri-menopause don't exist either?


I never had PMS but I can vouch for the peri-menopause emotional issues.  I spent 3 years in my late 30s flipping between being weepy and afraid I was about to die, and wanting to grab a frickin' big gun and head to the nearest rooftop to release my anger.  There was no real stress in my life that would bring that on.  It just happened.

#17 Bazinga

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

I'm sure it exists!

I'm usually cool, calm and collected most of the time but then again I have PCOS and anovulation so don't get hormone changes.....

until now. I'm currently on Provera to induce a period for ovulation induction and I'm all kinds of cranky and short tempered.

Even DH commented yesterday that he can't wait for these tablets to work! LOL

#18 tres-chic

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

I definitely have felt it. Not every month, but at different times I've wondered 'what's wrong with me today?' and then a day or so later worked out what it was.



#19 I'm Batman

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:29 PM

I've been suicidal, I'm never like that, I'm not moody, I can't fight with dh and keep a straight face.

It's not me, my whole body has been overtaken. It's crushing, I can't deal

#20 Lazycow

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

It definitely exists for me. A week or so before I'm due I turn into a completely irrational b**ch, I know I'm being a b**ch, but can't stop myself and then I feel guilty for being a cow. sad.gif My tolerance levels are also pretty much none existent, even a little bit of mess will have me blowing my top.

Also I'm pretty sure suffers from the male version of PMS, once a month he turns into a grumpy old man biggrin.gif

#21 MAGS24

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:31 PM

I have a similar situation to you, OP.

I was fine before my first baby was born and after that I am so impatient, go crazy and yell and scream at my DH just before my time of the month is due every month.

I used to be a fairly calm person but now I just can't control myself around that time. It can get pritty bad sometimes. I have been to several different doctors about it and had blood tests done but nothing seems to come back as abnormal. I know something isn't right though because that is not my usual behaviour. I started to see a psychologist who is helping me to work out ways to control myself better but I often don't realise that I'm going to blow up until I do so I haven't improved very much yet.

Also, I have a lot of very intense and strange dreams around that time.

Edited by MAGS24, 15 January 2013 - 12:41 PM.


#22 emlis22

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

It exists. The other morning I was in a foul mood and my DP said, are you grumpy? I said yes, but I don't know why. Later that day boom! And I wasn't expecting it at all so it's not like I mentally knew it was coming. I also agree with the PP that said you asbolutely know you're being irrational, but you can't help it!

On other days I've cried because I can't find anything to wear to work. So uh yeah, I think it exists.

#23 ~chiquita~

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

Of course it does. I used to turn into a psychopath every 28 days. In my situation having DS has improved my PMS as I don't seem to suffer those wild mood swings anymore. I'm just too tired. I still get the headaches, anxiety and cbf attitude though.

QUOTE (lucky 2 @ 15/01/2013, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have always had a degree of difficulty falling asleep when my period approaches, so that would make me more tired and stressed and more irritable.

Me too..and that just exasperates everything.

#24 Walkers

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

Yes.
At around 8 months after the birth of my last child I suddenly went into witch mode. I was angry & snappy, teary and vicious, so irrational that even the most trivial little thing would set me off. My poor dh whom I had a deep loathing for at the time asked me if it was possibly PND. I wondered myself. This went on for around a week and then my period returned, I was breastfeeding so had no idea it was coming. After enjoying 17 months without it I was bummed it was back but relieved that I was able to make sense of the horror time I was having. Everything settled as soon as I got it.



#25 76 others

Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:46 PM

Did anyone actually read the article? What a load of crap.

QUOTE
If PMS is a myth, then women lose an excuse to be angry - that they're running late, that their partner left the washing up, that they're paid less than their male counterparts, that they carry an unequal load of domestic work, that they're subjected to unacceptable levels of violence, that the female toilet queues at music festivals are ridiculously long, that their haircuts cost more, and that they are expected to pretend the ageing process doesn't apply to them.


Did the author just say that we blame all these angry feelings of inequality on PMS? Seriously? Maybe we are angry at these inequalities for reasons other than being on our period.

QUOTE
Hell, if a woman is suffering badly enough, she can even get away with being a monstrous b**ch for a short window each month. Who wants to give that up?


Now that's just insulting.

QUOTE
According to Jane Ussher, professor of women's health psychology at the University of Western Sydney, there is no similar concept in India, China or Hong Kong. Perhaps Western women invented PMS, or had it invented for us.


I don't know about anyone else but these countries where women are subservient and pride themselves on being meek and not making a fuss are not the benchmark we should adhere to. Maybe there is a reason that women in these countries hide their moods.






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