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#1 FeralLIfeHacker

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:11 PM

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Thanks for any advice.



eeek sorry so long.

Edited by lifehacker, 09 February 2013 - 10:17 PM.


#2 MoonPie

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

If someone got into my personal space and ignored/challenged a warning bark from my dog, I'd hope he'd bite them too!

Hope everything sorts itself out sad.gif


#3 Holidayromp

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

It could be a cultural thing though - the dog took it as being antagonised the person who got bitten probably didn't.  That is the thing your dog still bit the person and maybe you could get them to sign a waiver if you are worried but not paying costs can also get you in a whole lot of trouble - your dog bit a human you pay.

#4 JRA

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

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Last night dh was walking with the kids and dog on a local oval - it's huge and has 2 ovals and a man was walking and he walked really close to dd who was holding the leash (she's 17) and our dog barked at the man. The man barked back at the dog, as in he made woof, woof noises, the dog pulled at the lead and bit around the mans ankles
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QUOTE (Rebothy @ 09/01/2013, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If someone got into my personal space and ignored/challenged a warning bark from my dog, I'd hope he'd bite them too!

Hope everything sorts itself out sad.gif


If a person cannot walk near a dog without being bitten, that is not the person's fault. Don't blame the victim.

#5 FeralLIfeHacker

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE (Rebothy @ 09/01/2013, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If someone got into my personal space and ignored/challenged a warning bark from my dog, I'd hope he'd bite them too!

Hope everything sorts itself out sad.gif


Thanks.

Yeah dd had a bit of a rant about how it was a strange reaction to woof at the dog and "what did he expect" and "why didn't he walk around us" etc, etc, she's upset as it's primarily her dog, he sleeps on her bed and is closest to her, she's had a terrible year with depression and the dog has been her lifeline literally sad.gif

I'm trying to do the right thing though as he shouldn't bite people at the end of the day.

#6 Cath42

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:23 PM

I don't have much experience of dog ownership, so I'm probably not going to say anything terribly useful. If this is the second incident whereby your dog has bitten someone (or tried to) without being threatened or trying to guard your property, you've probably got a problem on your hands. I don't think you need to have him put down, but a muzzle is probably a good idea for walks or for anytime he's not at home. I also wouldn't leave him alone with your 14-month-old, ever - not even a quick trip to the loo.

As far as the $70 is concerned, I do think you should pay it. I'd say the man's family knew he'd need a tetanus shot and that's why they took him to a doctor. They don't sound like the kind of people who'd deny a cash payment. They gave your husband their mobile number in good faith and they haven't been any trouble since the incident occurred.

#7 Z-girls rock

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

firstly I am no expert. not in the legality of paying the money or in dog training.

but if I were you I would.

pay the $70. I mean it is not a big amount of money and it was your dogs fault. I think if they intended to sue they would be making more of a fuss...

also look at a head halter for the dog http://compare.ebay.com.au/like/2509674687...dPriceItemTypes when walking as she seems to be unpredicable and excitable. You need to have more control.

but maybe spiky or someone has a more expert oppinion.

Edited by Z-girls rock, 09 January 2013 - 12:27 PM.


#8 MintyBiscuit

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

In regards to the dog, maybe have a chat with your vet? If he's jumpy there might be training or something that can be done to stop him from acting like that. I'd be concerned too because it doesn't sound like it took a lot of provocation for him to bite, but obviously without being there it's hard to say for sure.

Regarding the money, I think the right thing to do is to pay for it. I can sort of see where your dad is coming from in thinking that paying for the doctor's visit is admitting responsibility, but realistically you ARE responsible as the dog owner so I don't see how it could make it worse. I am not a lawyer though, so maybe someone will be able to give you a better answer.

#9 beaglebaby

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

Your dog felt threatened, a much larger animal was barking at it - it's response was the terrier way of saying get out of my space.  

First of all, don't at this stage consider having your dog PTS.  Never leave it and your baby unsupervised, never let it off the leash in a public place, don't let it go up to strangers and consider getting a good behaviouralist to come and work with you on the best way to deal with what the dog perceives as threats.  It could also be worth getting one of the leads that asks people to stay away - but that wouldn't have helped in this case.

I don't know what you should do about this man.  I would not have gone home with him or given him my phone number.  He may have thought he was being funny, but he provoked your dog, yes, your dog did bite him, and you feel bad about it but surely he also has to take some responsibility for his action.  I have no idea of the legal responsibilities here, or what might happen if he reports it to the ranger, I would hope common sense prevails.

#10 IamAuntyA

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

You'r dog was simply protecting his pack ( you'r family). The man got to close for comfort so your dog took action, there would have been something about the man that intimidated the dog for him to bite. I don't think you need to put him to sleep over it at all, if he shows aggressive behaviour towards people then maybe but what he was did was not in an aggressive manor, remember they can't talk he barked at the man and that would have been his way of saying get back and the man didn't so he took the next step to protect his family.
With the payment yes 100% pay so you get a receipt for it, if they have already paid the dr then deposit it into their account & keep all reciept & transaction numbers. Never pay them in cash.

#11 bikingbubs

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

If my dogs bit ANYONE, there is NO way they would be going anywhere near my kids.

#12 asdf89

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

QUOTE (Cath42 @ 09/01/2013, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't have much experience of dog ownership, so I'm probably not going to say anything terribly useful. If this is the second incident whereby your dog has bitten someone (or tried to) without being threatened or trying to guard your property, you've probably got a problem on your hands. I don't think you need to have him put down, but a muzzle is probably a good idea for walks or for anytime he's not at home. I also wouldn't leave him alone with your 14-month-old, ever - not even a quick trip to the loo.

As far as the $70 is concerned, I do think you should pay it. I'd say the man's family knew he'd need a tetanus shot and that's why they took him to a doctor. They don't sound like the kind of people who'd deny a cash payment. They gave your husband their mobile number in good faith and they haven't been any trouble since the incident occurred.



Definitely start walking the dog with a muzzle. Also, how did your DD react when the dog started barking at the man? Did she pull him closer/say no etc?

I don't know what the legal ramifications would be, but think you should pay the money as he wouldn't have need to go to the doctor if not for your dog.

#13 Country (deci)Mel

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

Pay the bill.

Keep your dog away from people on a shorter leash for now.  And talk to your vet about further training.


It is NOT this man's fault he got bitten by your dog.

#14 cira

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

All dogs in public need to be under control. A dog that is able to harass and bite someone would not be considered under control. If he reports this incident, you will be found at fault.

#15 dolcengabbana

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

I second a PP suggestion of discussing your dogs behaviour with a vet or a trainer and take their advice.

I would pay the medical bill at the end of the day it was your dog that bit the man and I would document the situation your responses and pay the amount ask for a copy of the invoice.

Good luck I hope that perhaps some intervention training can help your dog.

#16 MoonPie

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (JRA @ 09/01/2013, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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If a person cannot walk near a dog without being bitten, that is not the person's fault. Don't blame the victim.

I should rephrase. I'm not blaming the victim. I'm saying don't blame the dog, either. When looked at through the dog's eyes, someone got into the personal space of his pack, he issued a warning which was ignored and even challenged, so he protected his pack.



#17 FiveAus

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

No idea about the legal ramifications but your dog bites, don't ever let it get in a position where it can bite anyone else. He should only be walked by an adult, he should be kept well away from passers by, which means vigilance on the part of the person holding the lead, and he needs to be muzzled.

At home, he should be separated from visiting children, with no exceptions.

To the PP who said they hoped their dog would bite in that situation, don't EVER wish your dog would bite anyone.

#18 JRA

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

But it seems it is the second time he has bitten someone. The first time it was lucky he just tore the mans trousers.

#19 Guest_Sunnycat_*

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

I think you need to pay the bill and for any other medical expenses he incurs.

If it were me I'd be offering him $200 or something to go away and get him to sign an indemnity to leave it at that. Is be horrified if my animal injured another person in reasonably normal circumstances.

ETA: animal not anal but I'm glad autocorrect didn't change it to anus. Lol

Edited by Sunnycat, 09 January 2013 - 01:11 PM.


#20 JRA

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

QUOTE (Sunnycat @ 09/01/2013, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you need to pay the bill and for any other medical expenses he incurs.

If it were me I'd be offering him $200 or something to go away and get him to sign an indemnity to leave it at that. Is be horrified if my anal injured another person in reasonably normal circumstances.


Don't you love auto correct!!!



#21 Kalota

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:42 PM

I would be quite happy paying the $70 for the man's tetanus shot, as I would probably feel quite bad sad.gif

I've owned bitey dogs before, but they have always been smaller dogs/terriers who didn't cause a lot of damage when they did bite, and I knew what triggered them to bite so I would avoid that to make sure no one got hurt. I would never consider putting a dog down over biting incidences such as the ones you are describing sad.gif

The last dog I owned was fine with my partner and I, but if approached/touched/interrogated or intimated by strangers, he would try to bite them. For this reason, whenever I took him out for a walk or play I would always leave him on the leash AND I would warn people if they came too close, e.g. "Hi there! This little one can be a bit snappy so please don't try to pat him!" And everything was fine.

I would not put the dog down, I would jus be more wary about controlling the leash around strangers, and warn people like I suggested when they get too close.

#22 Avidlearner1

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:42 PM

Where I live, the owner of the dog or the person in charge of the dog at the time of an attack is legally and financially liable for any costs involved as a result of the dog attack.

This is regardless of whether the person came close to the dog, whether the person was at the dogs property etc. Of course, if the dog is provoked, then it is considered a different matter but still investigated.

http://www.casey.vic.gov.au/pets/article.asp?Item=3502

I think you should pay, if you are wanting to prove payment has been made, type up a simple receipt and have them sign it.

With regards to the dog, there are a few things I would consider:

1. In the previous two attacks, from the information provided it didn't appear to be provoked. This is concerning. If you are going to keep the dog, then some obedience training is needed so the dog is used to being around many other dogs and people of various degrees at once.

2. While he is being trained, if you are going to go out with the dog in public a halter or muzzle is probably going to be the safest option for all involved. I would also ensure the person in charge of the dog at the time is clearly in control, and ensures that when people are within the immediate vicinity of the dog that the dogs attention is with them.

This is a hard decision, I am a dog person, I have two dogs, one we have worked hard with when out in public as she was nervous and insecure (which came across as growling) and another who is so laid back and casual that he has been the victim of dog attack.

#23 HeartMyBoys

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

If your dog reacts that way to someone making a noise, then what about a child who pulls its ears or something like that. It's happened twice, and i think both times you've gotten off pretty lightly. Third time maybe not so lucky.
I defnitely agree you should muzzle the dog from now on when walking it.

#24 FeralLIfeHacker

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (asdf89 @ 09/01/2013, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Definitely start walking the dog with a muzzle. Also, how did your DD react when the dog started barking at the man? Did she pull him closer/say no etc?

I don't know what the legal ramifications would be, but think you should pay the money as he wouldn't have need to go to the doctor if not for your dog.


Yes she did pull him closer and try to keep him from the man but by all accounts he walked 'really close' which didn't allow her to totally stop him from reaching the man.

I didn't think about paying into their acct, I will see if dh can get the details tonight and pay it that way then we both have a record.

I think I will call the vet, who already has bit of history about him, the vet was the once that first pointed out that he was 'headshy', he would crouch when the vet tried to pat him, during vaccinations etc.

Muzzle is a great idea, I will get one and not allow them to take him out without it, that should take away the risk of him biting anyone out in public.

He's not left alone with the baby ever, although I guess there is always the potential for that to happen, which is worrying but maybe the vet will have some advice on training/ behaviour therapy.

thanks everyone, great advice as usual original.gif

#25 Ally'smum

Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

I would pay the $70 - your dog bit someone, that is your responsibility.

If it were me I wouldn't keep the dog. We had a dog that was fine with us, but one day out of the blue attempted to attack a young child on a bike, we took him to the RSPCA that day. I could not live with the risk of him hurting anyone.

If you have a very young child, I couldn't live with that risk.

Also, yes this man may have gotten close but in no way should you blame the victim for what happened, what if a young child was to get too close?






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