Jump to content

help from business/arty types, please


  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

#1 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:19 PM

A friend and I are part of a community choir.  We would like to put a proposal forward to the committee to start up a youth choir, which will also potentially be a feeder to the main choir.  We both have university degrees in the music field, plus I've got my teaching degree and have run school choirs.

This has been done in the past, but abandoned as MDs have moved on.

We've started making a list of things we're going to have to ask/ascertain.  I'd like input into things I've undoubtedly forgotten.   I'm trying to put them into roughly 2 sections - things we should be able to have ready to answer, things we'll need to ask.



* rehearsal schedule  (only have 2 nights available in common, need to check with facilities manager, but the night we've picked hasn't had anything scheduled during 2012)
* performance schedule
* performance uniform
* choir name
* MD and accompanist
* purpose of the choir
* age groups targetted
* Possible community ties  (to be confirmed with main choir MD to avoid clash of interest)



*  Use of the choir hall - will we have to ask for $fees in order to cover liability
*  will the choir fund any music acquisitions, or will we have to ask for $fees to cover this
* as we intend to be a feeder choir, will we come under the choral society banner, or will we be a seperate entity?






#2 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:53 AM

bump sad.gif

#3 Feral Mozzie

Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:10 AM

Funding!

What will this cost OR how much revenue will it generate?
If it costs, where is the money coming from?
If its generating revenue, how much does it need to sustain itself?

I would probably include a budget in your proposal broken down by line - insurance, hall hire, anything else (uniforms? Sheet music? Staff?).

Good luck, it sounds awesome original.gif

#4 Bernard Woolley

Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:16 AM

If I was on the committee, I'd want to know two things: what are the costs/risks, and what are the benefits.

I'd start your pitch with the benefits, obviously  biggrin.gif Build a picture of why this is the most awesome, wonderful, in fact frankly necessary development for the choir.

Then,
Costs/risks, off the top of my head:
If it's a youth choir, what requirements will impact you re Working With Children checks, etc?
Are there existing policies re kids in the choir you could use or will you have to develop them (re say travel to concerts, what happens if a kid gets sick at rehearsal or a performance, adults being alone with kids (or not), etc)?
What will all of this do to the cost of the choir's insurance?
Have you thought about how you'll deal with parents? I imagine they're like most stage parents. Will you give them input into repertoire, or just deal with it if/when they tell you that song x is inappropriate for whatever reason?

Can you tell I'm a bureaucrat?  biggrin.gif   rolleyes.gif

#5 toosenuf

Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

biggrin.gif  which state are you in?  am asking on behalf of DD  biggrin.gif

#6 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:43 AM

QUOTE (Quill @ 07/01/2013, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hope that helps, mate. It's all related to the actual choir itself, but likely you'll need the info.



You're a blessing  wub.gif

QUOTE (Mozzie1 @ 07/01/2013, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What will this cost OR how much revenue will it generate?
If it costs, where is the money coming from?
If its generating revenue, how much does it need to sustain itself?


We'll be community based, and an adjunct to the main choir, so at least initially I don't see much revenue being raised, just profile.  We'll probably participate in most of the main choir's events, but aside from that, mostly retirement villages, schools etc.


QUOTE (s'peachykeen @ 07/01/2013, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I was on the committee, I'd want to know two things: what are the costs/risks, and what are the benefits.

I'd start your pitch with the benefits, obviously  biggrin.gif Build a picture of why this is the most awesome, wonderful, in fact frankly necessary development for the choir.

Then,
Costs/risks, off the top of my head:
If it's a youth choir, what requirements will impact you re Working With Children checks, etc?
Are there existing policies re kids in the choir you could use or will you have to develop them (re say travel to concerts, what happens if a kid gets sick at rehearsal or a performance, adults being alone with kids (or not), etc)?
What will all of this do to the cost of the choir's insurance?
Have you thought about how you'll deal with parents? I imagine they're like most stage parents. Will you give them input into repertoire, or just deal with it if/when they tell you that song x is inappropriate for whatever reason?

Can you tell I'm a bureaucrat?  biggrin.gif   rolleyes.gif


Very helpful!!!  TY!!


QUOTE (toosenuf @ 07/01/2013, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
biggrin.gif  which state are you in?  am asking on behalf of DD  biggrin.gif



North Queensland original.gif

#7 toosenuf

Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:56 AM

QUOTE (Soprano-Cat @ 07/01/2013, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
North Queensland original.gif



cry1.gif we are in NSW

I hope it is a success  bbighug.gif

#8 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

Move up here! It's lovely!

Are you sure there's no local youth choirs near you?  Or are they all hoity toity auditioned ones?  Tounge1.gif

#9 toosenuf

Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE (Soprano-Cat @ 07/01/2013, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Move up here! It's lovely!

Are you sure there's no local youth choirs near you?  Or are they all hoity toity auditioned ones?  Tounge1.gif


lol, me & qld's weather are not on speaking terms.

ok, now to be diplomatic  ph34r.gif there are 2 that i am know off.  1 we jumped ship last year and found out recently that it has since closed, DD would return if it had a new owner.  2nd choir, not quite sure why DD left, she did have lots on her plate ATT, it was well organised at all.

am still trying to find another.

BTW, they were both auditioned choirs, not sure if they turned anyone away or not.

#10 noi'mnot

Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:17 PM

Everything that I was going to say has basically been mentioned, except for the fact that I think they'll want you to prove that there is demand for a youth choir. Can you do this?

#11 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:11 PM

Thanks so much everyone!   3 hours and a 5 page document later, I think we're well on our way!

Business meeting of the main choir this Sunday, we'll see what transpires!

#12 sammyv

Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

When I was at school was in a symphonic band which had a junior and senior postition.  The junior band you have passed Grade 5 music exam or be of that standard, for the senior you had to be grade 8.  

Both you had to audition for.  

They recruited through music camps, music schools, schools and music teachers.

The junior band often did community concerts - at the time there was a program called People in Parks where they had entertainment in local parks - something you could approach your local council about.

They had an annual concert and a Christmas concert.

Make sure the MD etc have Working with Children checks.

I also traveled overseas to play with other bands - you could do this interstate too.  We would put on a concert each band played there own pieces then combined for a couple of numbers.

I loved it! if youths have something to do it stops them from getting up to no good.


Good luck

#13 Beanbag Warrior

Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:06 PM

That's a bit "big scale" for our town sammyv LOL.  I did a lot of the same kind of stuff though, which is why I think youth ensembles are so very important.

In future years, we might be able to branch out into outlying town eisteddfods and the like original.gif




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

How a baby can survive alone for days on end

The baby found abandoned in a Sydney drain may have been alone for up to six days without being fed, leaving many asking how he could have survived.

When it begins to look a lot like Christmas

A child's excitement at Christmas time is a beautiful thing, but one dad ponders whether his toddler daughter is getting into the festive mood a bit too soon.

Hospital lets dads the experience some of the pain of childbirth

A new experience is radically altering men's views of childbirth.

Italian doctors questioned over formula bribes

Italian police have placed 12 doctors under house arrest on suspicion of promoting baby milk formula over breastfeeding.

Heartwarming prank gives single mum the house she was hired to clean

Cara Simmons arrived at work to clean a large and beautiful house in time for a party planned for that evening. It was soon hers.

Those special moments of sibling bonding

Every now and then your child does or says something that is truly memorable.

Why we should stop telling new parents to 'enjoy every moment'

A few weeks ago, some dear friends of mine had their first baby. As the proud dad texted me a picture I had to fight the natural instinct to say “Enjoy every moment!”

Baby monitor footage posted online

Footage of Australian babies and children sleeping in their bedrooms are among the images on a Russian site showing live feeds from thousands of homes and businesses around the world.

Did this new dad really hit on his wife's midwife?

Was there really a man who was actually there by his wife’s side as she laboured and gave birth to his child, all while he was making what he perceived to be meaningful eye contact with a midwife?

Keep calm and ignore the Tantrum Trolls

Tantrum Trolls are a small but growing species of predatory bottom-feeders who delight in picking on parents at their most vulnerable.

It's okay to never 'get over' the death of a loved one

The death of children, siblings, and parents has long term impacts on the rest of our lives.

What Mark Latham needs to know about depression and motherhood

In a bizarre bid for relevancy, Former Opposition leader Mark Latham has deduced that because one female journalist had this week light-heartedly thanked antidepressants and caffeine for getting her through a medical degree while raising two small children, that ergo, all 'inner-city feminists' are selfish harridans who despise their offspring.

'We're just trying to keep our child alive': life with FPIES

We have a beautiful seven-month-old son, and his allergy rules our life.

Transgender dad breastfeeds his babies

A transgender man who breastfed his first baby - despite having his breasts removed as part of his transformation from female to male - has now had a second child.

Couple face $1 million medical bill and bankruptcy after babymoon birth

A Canadian couple were slammed with a million dollar medical bill after their daughter was prematurely during their babymoon.

Win one of 5 Little Tikes Cozy Coupe Sport

Australia?s No 1 selling car is now available in a Sports model and we have 5 to give away to some lucky Essential Baby families.

Cigarettes, junk food dominate supermarket sales growth

One in every five dollars spent at supermarkets goes on cigarettes or junk food, according to industry data.

Teacher under fire for breastfeeding in class

There is no doubt mums have a right to continue breastfeeding after they have returned to work, but one teacher in the US has taken it to the extreme.

Video: Baby sniffs beardless dad to make sure it's him

She looks him up and down and then touches his chin, but baby Lindsey still isn't sure this clean-shaven man is her dad.

The tragedy of losing a favourite teddy bear

We were green and uninitiated, perhaps a little naïve when it came to the favourite toy responsibility.

It's possible to workout while pregnant

Medical experts say intense fitness routines can be done safely during pregnancy - if the mums-to-be follow some guidelines.

Baby for Asher Keddie and Vincent Fantauzzo

Fans followed every step of her on-screen pregnancy in Offspring, now Asher Keddie is going to be a mum in real life too.

What parents really want for their kids

Are our hopes, dreams and expectations for our children what they really need?

'I had a feeling something was seriously wrong': the fight for Kaden's diagnosis

Before even giving birth, Katie Myers' maternal instincts warned her something was wrong with her baby.

Win a family pass to Disney Live!

We have 4 family passes to give away to see Disney Live! presents Three Classic Fairy Tales, touring Australia this December/January.

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Win one of 5 Little Tikes Cozy Coupe Sport

Australia?s No 1 selling car is now available in a Sports model and we have 5 to give away to some lucky Essential Baby families.

Join PADDINGTON on the red carpet!

To celebrate the release of PADDINGTON, we are giving five lucky winners the chance to win a family pass to the exclusive Australian Premiere in Sydney on December 7!

When your pregnancy causes a relationship rift

Some dads-to-be don't miss a beat when their partner is pregnant; others struggle with a range of issues and can become withdrawn, right when their support is needed most.

Couple uses group photo trick to announce pregnancy to loved ones

Katharine and Kris Camilli devised a clever trick to immortalise their family and friends' reactions to their exciting pregnancy news.

Why Tracey Spicer has given up make-up

"After 30 years on television, I had become what I despised: a painted doll who spent an hour a day and close to $200 a week putting on a mask."

Knowing you are one of the lucky ones

I am secure, confident and strong, but the responsibility of protecting my children can almost bring me undone.

Why I am so emotional now I have kids?

There are so many ways in which parenthood changes us as women, but one of the most noticeable, for me, has been the changing state of my emotions.

Baby survives despite sharing womb with 'foreign body'

Baby Maia was conceived against the odds, only to find she was sharing a womb with an ominous "foreign body".

Video: Baby shows dog how to jump - or vice versa

They say dog is man's best friend, but this playful pooch seems to have chosen a jumping baby as her number one buddy.

10 ways to soothe a crying baby

New paernts can get frustrated when their newborn gets fussy and can't settle down. When you're feeling overwhelmed, try some of these simple tips to help soothe your baby.

20 baby names that are becoming more popular every year

The data-lovers at nameberry.com have been at it again – this time, they’ve discovered the names that are continually rising up the ranks, ready to take out some top spots in the next few years.

10 great meals to make for new parents

Ideally, you want to give food that isn’t expensive to make, isn't too difficult to create, and freezes well; stews, bakes, soups and pasta sauces are perfect.

'It's not you, it's me': Boston bombing survivor mum to have leg amputated

Rebekah DiMartino is going through a break-up. She even wrote a farewell love letter. But it's not to her husband.

What it's like to go through early menopause

In a cruel twist, Carla had been breastfeeding and perimenopausal at the same time. But she's far from the only one to go through menopause early.

Weird pregnancy products

Some pregnancy products come to market and are just awesome. Others just leave you scratching your head.

Restaurant served alcohol to two-year-old

Busy restaurants can be forgiven for getting food and drink orders mixed up from time to time, but not when the confusion leads to a two-year-old being served an alcoholic cocktail instead of the child-friendly beverage they ordered.

Julia Morris tells of miscarriage on a flight

Julia Morris has spoken about the devastation of suffering a miscarriage while on an international flight.

Woman's survival after birth 'a story of two miracles'

A US mother is home and tending to her new baby less than a month after surviving without a pulse for 45 minutes.

Best maternity swimwear and beach cover-ups

Thinking about a tropical babymoon but have nothing to wear? Here are some great swimwear and beach cover-up options for mums-to-be.

Duchess's letter to grieving mum

The Duchess of Cambridge has written to a grieving mum on a "very difficult" day.

 

How many weeks til Christmas?

On your To-Do list

Get the "Santa" shopping done without the kids in tow.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.