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#1 Blueblue

Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:54 PM

where is the whinging and moaning about living on $38 a day?

have we lost a demographic and it doesnt apply to anyone here anymore?

Just curious

#2 Lees75

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

I must admit, I was a but surprised that we haven't had a thread on it:) But I think a lot of us single mothers are hashing it out on a Single mothers forum linked to Facebook

Edited by Lees75, 02 January 2013 - 06:00 PM.


#3 Blueblue

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:02 PM

You just know shes was dying to be blunt about it.  cool.gif

#4 (feral)epg

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:02 PM

I don't get the big fuss.  I could definitely live on Newstart allowance for 1 week.  I reckon I could quite easily live on $0 for 1 week.  A month would be a bit harder, 6 months would require a serious lifestyle change.
Some people manage to live on it for years - and some actually do it quite comfortably.

#5 Lees75

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

It was a stupid insensitive thing to say when you are earning more than $6k per year

ETA I should proof read! Yes, I meant a week, not a year- lol!

Edited by Lees75, 02 January 2013 - 06:17 PM.


#6 Sue Heck

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

QUOTE (Lees75 @ 02/01/2013, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was a stupid insensitive thing to say when you are earning more than $6k per year

I think they said she earns over $6 k a week.

#7 Sif

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:11 PM

QUOTE
I don't get the big fuss. I could definitely live on Newstart allowance for 1 week. I reckon I could quite easily live on $0 for 1 week. A month would be a bit harder, 6 months would require a serious lifestyle change.
Some people manage to live on it for years - and some actually do it quite comfortably.


What's your definition of comfortable?

The worst thing about Ms Macklin's statement was not that she could live on NewStart (I'll believe it when I see it!), but that people should just get out there and get a job, as if jobs are things you can pick up on the road side.

Employers have to be willing to employ!

Our family - though we're partnered - is one such family she was talking about where no one has a job. We're apparently setting a terrible example for our kids.

I CHALLENGE anyone to offer myself or my Dh a job - we would both LOVE one. I'm legally blind, but I have many skills, particularly in writing and working with children. He's 53 and hobbles a bit on his arthritic knees but he's a skilled finished artist (grapho) with 25+ years experience, he also has a cert III in age care. We live in Melbourne's eastern suburbs. We don't have a car, but once one of us can get a job, getting a car would be our first priority!

If we could 'just get a job' we absolutely would jump at the chance.

It's not that easy, and financially penalising people who are already struggling to make ends meet won't solve any problems, it will only create new ones.

Edited by Sif, 02 January 2013 - 06:14 PM.


#8 censura carnero

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

I bet she is kicking herself.  Very, very, very  silly thing to say.

#9 elizabethany

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

She was asked and she answered.  Just because people don't like the answer doesn't mean it isn't true.  Could I do it, right now, no, I have a mortgage that is based on a working wage.  Could I do it when I was renting, yes, and I did for just over a year.

It is not insensitive to answer honestly.

#10 casime

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

Rubbish journalism.   It doesn't take in to account rent assistance, FTB, pensioner education supplement or any other payments people might be entitled to.  Or any child support that might be received.

Besides the fact that she doesn't have to live on the dole as she is employed.  Why does she live off the dole (again, failing to take in to account any other payments a person may be entitled to)?

And if we're referring to the today tonight segment particularly, two of the women interviewed had children under eight so won't be affected.  The other had a thirteen year old son, so I'm not feeling that sympathetic.

Edited by casime, 02 January 2013 - 06:19 PM.


#11 ComradeBob

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:14 PM

Think you mean $6k PER WEEK there Lees  original.gif

I think it's appalling. Sure, I could live on Newstart for a week or two, most people could. But not week in, week out, with no knowledge of when it's going to stop, having life reduced to a series of petty yet important decisions - do I buy this item or that one that costs a bit more but is more nutritious? Rent or bills? Food or heat? Do I skip breakfast or dinner today?

She should bloody well be ashamed of herself  mad.gif

#12 Lees75

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (elizabethany @ 02/01/2013, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She was asked and she answered.  Just because people don't like the answer doesn't mean it isn't true.  Could I do it, right now, no, I have a mortgage that is based on a working wage.  Could I do it when I was renting, yes, and I did for just over a year.

It is not insensitive to answer honestly.

Could you have done it if you also had 3 kids?

#13 casime

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

QUOTE (Lees75 @ 02/01/2013, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could you have done it if you also had 3 kids?


You wouldn't have to.  FTB A/B, PES, CCR, CCB, Rent Assistance, JET, EEP, Child Support are all among the other payments you would get.

#14 ///

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE (casime @ 02/01/2013, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You wouldn't have to.  FTB A/B, PES, CCR, CCB, Rent Assistance, JET, EEP, Child Support are all among the other payments you would get.

Health care card, discounted electricity, free rego....

#15 pinkelephant

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:29 PM

I agree the payment is measly but you are forgetting all of the other benefits. I have 'clients' in my line of work that are earning over $1000 per week on Centrelink on account of family tax benefits and rent assistance. Sometimes its more than they would receive from employment.

I find it strange when I see people complaining that they can't afford certain things yet have cigarettes and false nails. They need budget advice.  This of course does not apply to everyone.

#16 Blueblue

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:29 PM

i think the means testing on newstart is way tougher than parenting payment.

with a older population having kids, by the time those kids are 16 the parents might be close to retirement age.  Just saying.


#17 Canberra Chick

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:31 PM

I lived on income support for three months when my mum kicked me out at 18 and before I went to uni. I was getting free accommodation (as in some school teachers housed me over the summer, so I had no utility bills either) and free prescriptions and it was still hard going. Sure if its short term you can just about muddle on, but for someone on her salary to say that is crass. Hell, she probably would spend that on lunch and coffees per day...

Edited by Canberra chick, 02 January 2013 - 06:31 PM.


#18 ELH05

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE (pinkelephant @ 02/01/2013, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree the payment is measly but you are forgetting all of the other benefits. I have 'clients' in my line of work that are earning over $1000 per week on Centrelink on account of family tax benefits and rent assistance. Sometimes its more than they would receive from employment.

I find it strange when I see people complaining that they can't afford certain things yet have cigarettes and false nails. They need budget advice.  This of course does not apply to everyone.


Exactly ^^
The "dole" is not intended to be a long term solution, it's supposed to get you through the short term until you find work.  And if you have kids you wouldnt just be getting the dole, there would be other payments being received.  
Also I think some people are not really thinking outside the box in terms Of what sort of positions they could apply for.  Not going back to your original career path and trying something new is always a start.  I know if I was out of work, I would be applying for absolutely anything I could to get back into gainful employment.


#19 Lees75

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:44 PM

I always feel like I am in a weird spot on this topic of discussion. On the single parent forums/discussions, I am shunned, despite being a single parent, because I agree with the concept that is supposedly behind the changes. On here I wade in to defend single parents because people discuss it without understanding it properly and all the stereotypes come out.

I agree with the concept for empowering single parents to re-enter the workforce, but think the haphazard and rushed approach that has been taken only disempowers, it won't empower.

Edited by Lees75, 02 January 2013 - 06:45 PM.


#20 elizabethany

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:47 PM

QUOTE (Lees75 @ 02/01/2013, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Could you have done it if you also had 3 kids?


Yes.  Basic Newstart nowdays is $30 a week more than I used to get including rent assistance.

Three teenagers would be pushing it on JUST Newstart, but then I would have all the other benefits, such as Rent Assistance, FTB, Child support, Youth Allowance (for the older ones) etc.  If you have 4 kids you get more as well.  I wouldn't be living in my current house, but there are affordable housing options if I am willing to lose a bedroom or two.

#21 Magnus

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

I have been on the dole, short term, a couple of times. It's extremely difficult to live off even if you receive rent assistance. This is particularly true if you happen to live somewhere where rent is relatively expensive. Rent assistance would maybe cover a quarter of the rent at most.

And yes, I was applying for all kinds of jobs, including very menial ones. Even if you go for really sh*tkicking jobs often there are people with years of experience at those particular jobs. And if your experience isn't in a relevant area, then they're not likely to consider you, even if the job is something requiring very little skill, like 'postage stamp licker'.

#22 kadoodle

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:49 PM

I knew Jenny when she used to live on that sort of money.

#23 Starrydawn

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

QUOTE (Blueblue @ 02/01/2013, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
where is the whinging and moaning about living on $38 a day?

have we lost a demographic and it doesnt apply to anyone here anymore?

Just curious


Wow nasty.


#24 Starrydawn

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE (Magnus @ 02/01/2013, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have been on the dole, short term, a couple of times. It's extremely difficult to live off even if you receive rent assistance. This is particularly true if you happen to live somewhere where rent is relatively expensive. Rent assistance would maybe cover a quarter of the rent at most.

And yes, I was applying for all kinds of jobs, including very menial ones. Even if you go for really sh*tkicking jobs often there are people with years of experience at those particular jobs. And if your experience isn't in a relevant area, then they're not likely to consider you, even if the job is something requiring very little skill, like 'postage stamp licker'.



Exactly people don't really understand if they have never experienced it or  always had the man to support them.

#25 Starrydawn

Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:57 PM

I don't think anyones against working. The policy for single parents has been in since 2006.

But no one can deny the newstart alone doesn't cover even the cheapest rental these days.

Though I do always love on EB in these threads its always get those lazy SPs to work. Yet in other threads its oh such a great idea if mum stays home  for the kids  because thats what kids need, because dad supports.




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