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#1 Freddie'sMum

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:32 AM

What they are ??

I hear the term "selective schools" in the media / on EB and I honestly have no idea what that means.

We have 2 little girls - one in the local Catholic Primary school, another one starting at the local Catholic Primary school (next year).  I have friends with kids (all primary school age) - some go to the local public primary school, others go to Private schools (sometimes called independent schools).

I honestly don't know what a "selective school" is - is it a Public school - is it a Private school ??  Is it a Primary school or a High school ??  

Can someone please enlighten me ??

Thanks very muchly original.gif





#2 MrsLexiK

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:38 AM

My understanding is it is a public school which is selective to who goes there - There are a few in Melbourne where you have to sit entrance tests to get in. And you have to be really smart.

#3 Anne of The Island

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:38 AM

From my understanding, it is a public high school that "selects" it's students based on academic ability - by way of exams I think.  i.e. they are not zoned and only those who are selected can attend.

Also, I could be wrong but I heard of them when living in Sydney but have not heard anyone here in Melbourne talk about them so I don't think they exist in all states.

#4 FeralFerretOfDoom

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:39 AM

It's a school that "selects" its students based on an entrance examination - these schools are geared toward children who are gifted / have above average intelligence.

#5 Hopetoun

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:40 AM

I understood a selective school to be a public school (usually secondary) that could pick and choose its students based on their own criteria - eg high academic results.
They are not bound to take students that live locally like other public schools.


#6 meljb

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:41 AM

In NSW there are selective public high schools there is an entrance exam sat in year 6 and from that they select the students who will be offered places. The schools are meant to be for the very brightest students.

#7 Foogle

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:42 AM

Wiki entry - NSW Selective schools

A full list is at the bottom of the page.


#8 Freddie'sMum

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:43 AM

Thanks ladies !!

Yes we are in Sydney and I do hear the term "selective schools" quite a lot esp because in the last week the HSC results have come out, and the reference to "selective schools" and how well their students did in the HSC have been in the media.

Thank you for enlightening me original.gif



#9 somila

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:43 AM

Brisbane SHS is a "partially-selective" high school.  Students from outside the catchment can get in if they meet certain academic, musical or sporting criteria, but the school is obliged to take all students within the catchment.

Other Brisbane schools have "specialist programs" (technology, academic, artistic, linguistic) that students can apply for.

I disagree with some private schools who like to refer to themselves as "non-selective" as the fees automatically rule some people out. wink.gif

#10 FluffyOscar

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:45 AM

QUOTE (emmaellis @ 22/12/2012, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, I could be wrong but I heard of them when living in Sydney but have not heard anyone here in Melbourne talk about them so I don't think they exist in all states.

There are currently four selective entry high schools in Victoria for students in Years 9−12: Melbourne High (boys only), The Mac.Robertson Girls' High (girls only), Nossal High School (co-educational) and Suzanne Cory High School (co-educational).
(from http://www.education....spx?Redirect=1)

#11 Coffeegirl

Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:53 AM

QUOTE (meljb @ 22/12/2012, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In NSW there are selective public high schools there is an entrance exam sat in year 6 and from that they select the students who will be offered places. The schools are meant to be for the very brightest students.



Yep this.   DD sat the test this year. There were something like 400 places available across  NSW but over 3,000 kids sat the test.  DD didn't get in to our local schools and missed the cut off by a few points, but she would have been eligible for two of the others, however they were not in our area and not on the list of 3 schools we had to prechoose before the exams.

Sooooo much pressure put on some of the kids too early I think.   A couple of the kids were vomiting through the exams sad.gif. A lot of the kids are heavily tutored as well.

We just told DD if she got in on her own merits, then she deserved to be there.  No pressure, no tutors.

#12 dae-gu

Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:03 AM

My son is 8 and in year 2. Many of his classmates go to tutoring (afterschool and weekends) in the hope of getting a place in a selective high school. It is shocking the amount of pressure these young children are put under:(

#13 FeralFerretOfDoom

Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:04 AM

I agree, Coffeegirl. I went to a selective high school back when you turned up for the test and that was it. Now my old school is full of kids that have been hot-housed from very young and tutored extensively.

It's not a culture I understand, and personally I feel that kids so young shouldn't be put under that sort of pressure and that they miss out on time to just be kids and play.

Edited by WootFerretOfDoom, 22 December 2012 - 08:05 AM.


#14 Cat Burglar

Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:21 AM

Theres one in Adelaide (maybe more but I only know of one) which is right down south. Yay thats fair for the kids who live north of the city  rant.gif

#15 Fabulous

Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:26 AM

My DD is going to the only fully selective school in Perth. You have to have test results in the top 2% of the population to get in and there is only a total of 200 places up for grabs.

#16 snuffles

Posted 22 December 2012 - 09:18 AM

DH went to Melbourne High, which a selective boys' school (public).  He and his friends had NFI how much harder learning was at your average public high school, especially one in a low socio economic area like the one I went to.  

I've nothing against selective schools but I did notice a huge difference in my ablity to learn independently vs theirs.



#17 somila

Posted 22 December 2012 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (snuffles @ 22/12/2012, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DH went to Melbourne High, which a selective boys' school (public).  He and his friends had NFI how much harder learning was at your average public high school, especially one in a low socio economic area like the one I went to.  

I've nothing against selective schools but I did notice a huge difference in my ablity to learn independently vs theirs.

Those Melbourne High boys sure can sing though! original.gif

#18 tibs

Posted 22 December 2012 - 01:57 PM

As well as the selective high schools here in Sydney we also have the 'OC' or 'Opportunity Classes'.  They are for year 5 and 6 in some public schools and are selective classes where the kids do a test in year 4 to get in.  It is the first step on the selective school pathway and kids are coached from a very young age to get in.  There are 3 or 4 children in my son's preschool class who already go to coaching  ohmy.gif

#19 tibs

Posted 22 December 2012 - 01:59 PM

QUOTE (Soccer Mum @ 22/12/2012, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Theres one in Adelaide (maybe more but I only know of one) which is right down south. Yay thats fair for the kids who live north of the city  rant.gif


There are many many kids in Sydney who travel from one side of the city to the other to attend selective schools some making trips of 1 to 1.5 hours each way to get there.

#20 snuffles

Posted 22 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

QUOTE (somila @ 22/12/2012, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those Melbourne High boys sure can sing though! original.gif



LOL, DH can't, can't carry a tune to save himself!!



#21 toosenuf

Posted 22 December 2012 - 02:58 PM

OP - if you ever need to know, there are also some selective classes in "some" primary public schools for years 5-6 (nsw).  You also need to sit an exam to gain entry, in year 4.

#22 Clever Clogs

Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE (tibs @ 22/12/2012, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are many many kids in Sydney who travel from one side of the city to the other to attend selective schools some making trips of 1 to 1.5 hours each way to get there.


Yes, I went to my closest in Sydney and it was over an hour each way, walk, bus, train.

#23 Feraldadathome

Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE (toosenuf @ 22/12/2012, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OP - if you ever need to know, there are also some selective classes in "some" primary public schools for years 5-6 (nsw).  You also need to sit an exam to gain entry, in year 4.

And then decide whether or not to uproot your child from their current school to attend said opportunty class....

Edited by dadathome, 22 December 2012 - 03:40 PM.


#24 Curly Wurly

Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:26 PM

We have two OC classes in our school. Only two from our school got into the class the others from around the area.  In our school I would say that over 70% are "coached" to get into the selective schools. I would say that at least 60% of these students get into these schools.




#25 Feral Mozzie

Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE (mavisandjack @ 22/12/2012, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, I went to my closest in Sydney and it was over an hour each way, walk, bus, train.


I went to one in Sydney's north, and we had kids from Wollongong and the Blue Mtns.




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