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#1 Green Door

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:41 PM

The people that live behind us have just built a new home and moved in about 3 weeks ago. the last week they had a inground pool put in and fill, they have 3 small kids and the pool still has no fence.

They leave pools toys in the pool over night ,which I think would just make the kids want to get in the pool more.  So today I called out local council, I was shocked that they told me to give it till after xmas and see if they have put up a fence. Because its  a new pool they may still be arranging a fence.

I think they should have waited till the fence was up before filling it.

I worry because if that were my kids they would be so excited about the new house and new pool it would be hard to keep them out of it.

Who else can I call. I have 3 small children myself, this pool is making me very uneasy.

#2 Becky Thatcher

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:46 PM

OP, can your kids get to the pool?

#3 I*Love*Christmas

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:46 PM

I don't know the answer sorry but this would make me feel very uneasy too!!

#4 HollyOllyOxenfree

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:49 PM

I'd keep calling council to be honest. That response from them is disgusting, and really just sounds like they couldn't be bothered sending someone out before christmas. I'd also be taking names of who you speak to and who tells you to "leave it until after christmas". Imagine if something were to happen and the council had a wait and see attitude?

#5 Green Door

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:49 PM

My 5 year can get over the fence, but he never has, today both my 4 year and 5 year noticed the pool. I don't think he would. but thats not to say he won't

#6 Green Door

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:53 PM

QUOTE (HollyOllyOxenfree @ 21/12/2012, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd keep calling council to be honest. That response from them is disgusting, and really just sounds like they couldn't be bothered sending someone out before christmas. I'd also be taking names of who you speak to and who tells you to "leave it until after christmas". Imagine if something were to happen and the council had a wait and see attitude?

I was so shocked when I called, Last night I could hardy sleep knowing they have kids. The kids are in the pool right now,
I think you are right about no wanting to send someone out, Our council shuts down today till after new years I think, I am going to call back now to see who else I can talk to

#7 3plusme

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:54 PM

Hi

I just wanted to say, that we put a new pool in this year and our council told us to put up a temporary fence when there was water in the pool.

We have 3 small children.  I was not going to risk it and we hired a temporary fence.

Your council are not taking the matter seriously, make more of a fuss with them.

#8 Becky Thatcher

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:55 PM

QUOTE (Green Door @ 21/12/2012, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My 5 year can get over the fence, but he never has, today both my 4 year and 5 year noticed the pool. I don't think he would. but thats not to say he won't



Oh dear.
I agree with Holly, I think it is just laziness close to Christmas. Ring them back and ask for names and say you will be keeping a record. A law is a law no matter what. Imagine if you said to a policeman "Oh sorry I was not wearing a seatbelt, you didn't have to in the 1940's" or something like that.

I know councils are going into Christmas mode at the moment but it is no excuse.

#9 3plusme

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:55 PM

posting again to add.. I just read the thread on water safety about hannah's story.  If the council is closed, ring the police.  It is breaking the law if you don't have a fence.

Gosh, people are so stupid.

#10 SeaPrincess

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:58 PM

I would maybe pop over to welcome them to the neighbourhood and somehow slip it into conversation.  Did the council know they'd had one installed?

Edited after OP added - if your child could get over the fence, I'd go over and be direct.  Tell them your child can get over the boundary fence and ask when the pool will be fenced.

Edited by SeaPrincess, 21 December 2012 - 02:59 PM.


#11 Green Door

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:59 PM

QUOTE (3plusme @ 21/12/2012, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
posting again to add.. I just read the thread on water safety about hannah's story.  If the council is closed, ring the police.  It is breaking the law if you don't have a fence.

Gosh, people are so stupid.

This is how I felt the day they filled it, I was really mad ranting to DH about how people think things will never happen to them. I really want to call over the fence and tell them I think they are risking the childrens life but DH told me that was over the top.
On hold to council now.

#12 LucidDream

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:59 PM

I would take a photo of the pool, reiterate what the council person said, and send it to them, cc'ing the council CEO. dev (6).gif

You could contact Kidsafe for advice.  Also the local paper could be interested in this.

#13 niggles

Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

The problem as I see it, and maybe this what the council is thinking, is the best they can do would be issue a fine and order fencing to be installed. It's going to take time for the fence to be constructed. So the reality is that there isn't really much anyone can do to fix their stupid mistake of filling the pool before the fence is constructed. I'm not sure but it can't be emptied can it? And even a temporary fence would take time to arrange and install and I'm not sure whether that would meet standards.

I'm sorry you are in such a stressful situation. I think you should talk to the neighbours and continue to apply pressure to the council. If you get no response from them I would contact your local MP. I can't think who else would get involved.

#14 mards

Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:09 PM

We had to erect a TEMP fence prior to any water going in - IT IS THE LAW!! - it was included in getting the pool quote!!

RING THE COUNCIL NOW!! _ they should be all over it!! ring until you get action

Temp fence takes about half hour to put up!! not long you can hire from any Active hire etc etc

Edited by mards, 21 December 2012 - 03:10 PM.


#15 bark

Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:11 PM

Go and introduce yourselves to them and bring it up civilly, not yelling over the fence.

#16 Guest_Sunnycat_*

Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:19 PM

I would keep following it up with the council. That is shocking.

#17 WithSprinkles

Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:19 PM

Our friends built last year and got a pool.They had to have temporary fences up as soon as the pool was filled.

They moved in just before Christmas and couldn't get anyone to come out and do the permanent fencing until the end of January so the temporary fencing was up for quite a number of weeks.

I wouldn't want to get off on the wrong foot with the neighbours, so if the council isn't willing to do anything I'd just go over and let them know that your DS can climb over the fence and you're concerned (maybe take some treats over as well to butter them up wink.gif)

ETA - it's pretty poor of the council to not even bother contacting them about getting a temporary fence. They may be organising a permanent fence but a lot of tradies have a break over Christmas/early Jan so it is likely that it will be this way for a number of weeks.

Edited by VanillaIcecream, 21 December 2012 - 03:21 PM.


#18 Tigerdog

Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE
I'd keep calling council to be honest. That response from them is disgusting, and really just sounds like they couldn't be bothered sending someone out before christmas.


This.  And I'm with you, the fence well and truly should have been put up before the pool was filled.  They need to at least force them to get a temporary fence put up, as a PP stated.

#19 Expelliarmus

Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:32 PM

It the pool against the boundary fence your child can climb over?

#20 kelsey82

Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (Green Door @ 21/12/2012, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The people that live behind us have just built a new home and moved in about 3 weeks ago. the last week they had a inground pool put in and fill, they have 3 small kids and the pool still has no fence.

They leave pools toys in the pool over night ,which I think would just make the kids want to get in the pool more.  So today I called out local council, I was shocked that they told me to give it till after xmas and see if they have put up a fence. Because its  a new pool they may still be arranging a fence.

I think they should have waited till the fence was up before filling it.

I worry because if that were my kids they would be so excited about the new house and new pool it would be hard to keep them out of it.

Who else can I call. I have 3 small children myself, this pool is making me very uneasy.


That sounds a little strange to me.
I'd ring council again to check the person you talked to had it right. In our area, the council doesn't permit pools to be filled until the fencing meets the standards. I know a couple who aren't allowed to fill their pool until the fence line is altered at the back of their property.

#21 JRA

Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (kelsey82 @ 21/12/2012, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That sounds a little strange to me.
I'd ring council again to check the person you talked to had it right. In our area, the council doesn't permit pools to be filled until the fencing meets the standards. I know a couple who aren't allowed to fill their pool until the fence line is altered at the back of their property.

I agree

#22 Frockme

Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:28 PM

How did you go with council?

I would talk to your neighbours. It doesn't have to be an aggressive confrontation. Tell them you're concerned, ask when a fence is going in etc, ask when the temp. fence is being delivered wink.gif etc.

Good luck. Hope it goes well.

#23 baddmammajamma

Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE (LindsayMK @ 21/12/2012, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh dear.
I agree with Holly, I think it is just laziness close to Christmas. Ring them back and ask for names and say you will be keeping a record. A law is a law no matter what. Imagine if you said to a policeman "Oh sorry I was not wearing a seatbelt, you didn't have to in the 1940's" or something like that.

I know councils are going into Christmas mode at the moment but it is no excuse.



QUOTE (3plusme @ 21/12/2012, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
posting again to add.. I just read the thread on water safety about hannah's story.  If the council is closed, ring the police.  It is breaking the law if you don't have a fence.

Gosh, people are so stupid.


OP, I hope you were able to get through to someone -- if not the counsel, then the police.

There is no excuse that your neighbors could possibly have that makes this situation ok.

#24 NSG

Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

Why not just speak to them directly? It is not unreasonable to ask given you have small children. Keep calm and polite. If they are reasonable people I am sure it can be solved quite quickly. They may even have fence parts on order.

You must however live in a different area to us. We are currently in the middle of a garden reno including a pool and the pool company themselves AND the certifier come to inspect our fence before making the final connections to the pump and filter (i.e no point putting water in if it is just going to sit there getting filthy).

#25 *cough*

Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

I'm pretty sure you're supposed to put up a temp fence. Also pretty sure it has to be filed ASAP for structural/engineering reasons. I think. I could be wrong.




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