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#1 Mamabug

Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:43 AM

While doing a spot of family research on my husband's side of things, my sister has come across an oddity.

Apparently NSW BDM has my IL's marriage certificate listed twice - both have the same certificate number, the same name for MIL, same date, but has two diffferent surnames for FIL. DH has never heard of this other name, we have government documents from FIL's country of origin in the only name we know (which to me is proof he is who we think he is!).

So where would this other name have come from??? And what could possibly be going on????

#2 Bwok~Bwok

Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:56 AM

Is it an english speaking country? Does the other name 'sound' the same? or similar spelling?

It could be that they had an error with the first entry and corrected it with another? Could be adoption? Could be a legal change of name?

My GGM was down as a 'surname' - but it was actually her middle name (her Grandmother's maiden name was her middle name)

ETA: Could he have changed his last name to a more easily pronounced one?

Edited by Bwok~Bwok, 21 December 2012 - 08:57 AM.


#3 Mamabug

Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:03 AM

Is it an english speaking country? No

Does the other name 'sound' the same? or similar spelling? Not even close!

It could be that they had an error with the first entry and corrected it with another? Possible
Could be adoption? No - although FIL's mother may or may not have been married to FIL's father. Apparently her first husband was MIA in WWI and wasn't declared dead, or some such, so the family rumour is that FIL is 'a b*st*rd' due to his mother not being able to re-marry as first DH wasn't 'dead'...or some such!

Could be a legal change of name? I don't believe so as we have recent documents from his native country's government about his pension with entries going back to the 1940s in the name we know him by

#4 PatG

Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:25 AM

Are they dated? Ie the signature date. If so if the wrong name is earlier it is possibly an error (someone else who was having their cert done at the same time and the wrong name went on the doc) and the newer one was the correction.

#5 The 7 Dwarfs

Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:59 AM

Since FIL parents may not have been married it is possible that his birth name was his mothers, however he was always known by his fathers. He registered both as one was his birth name and the other the name he went by.

As an example, my husband's GGG grandfather's parents were not married when he was born, so he was named Joseph Upton Wood, Upton being a middle name. His parents married after his birth and all subsequent children were named Upton. However, every single other record of him has him as Joseph Upton and his children and wife all went with the surname Upton, Wood was never to be seen again.


If it is a Spanish speaking country, they often have double surnames, but here in Australia they only use one. So may have been born, for example, Eduardo Garcia De Soto, but in Australia only go by Eduardo Garcia as the first name is usually the paternal one and they drop the maternal. They could have recorded the 'wrong' last name, thinking the later maternal was the surname and the paternal was a middle name.

#6 ~Mintie~

Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

The registry has a lot of incorrect information on their database, for numerous reasons like false disclosure or incorrect transfer of information from volume (paper) records to computer. BDM NSW have a direct email address that goes to the Family History section, I would suggest emailing them for clarification.
bdm-familyhistory@agd.nsw.gov.au

There isn't much point calling the BDM number as they won't be able to shed any light on the matter over the phone original.gif

#7 Peanut

Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE (The 7 Dwarfs @ 21/12/2012, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since FIL parents may not have been married it is possible that his birth name was his mothers, however he was always known by his fathers. He registered both as one was his birth name and the other the name he went by.


This was my second thought after the possibility that he Anglicised his surname to make it easier for Australian's to pronounce/spell it.  (My Uncle's name is Dieter and he regularly goes by Peter here in Australia).

Can I ask what country your FIL originates from?  Is it European, Asiatic or from the America's?




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