Jump to content

5 year old STILL pooing pants
Just want a shoulder to cry on OR anyone in same situation


  • Please log in to reply
9 replies to this topic

#1 mummydo

Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:22 AM

Hi,
Background: my eldest DD(just turned 5) has never completely TT with poos and im slowly going crazy. It actually brings me to tears. ( my 3yr old ds was tt at 2.5 and does better than her)
She was always an extremely scared kid. Scared of those rides in the shops (will not ride a bike) so when it came to pushing out a poo she is still petrified to this day and constantly has small bits of poo in undies. Once i find or smell it i usually have to bribe her to push out the poo. (it is not a fear of the toilet its a fear of pooing) I have tried bribes with sticker charts, toys,money etc.. also unless its so runny she will not push anywhere near hard enough to push out solid poos and i have no idea how to get her to do more effective pushing. She has never been constipated so the fear has not stemed from that.

I have seen a paediatrician who has prescribed benefibre and osmolax twice a day to make them soft but 6 mths down the track no better, he was not concerned when i saw him last a mth ago and said she will grow out of it. I have googled and assume she has encopresis but i have read up about 8-10yr olds still with the prob. (I CANNOT do this another 3-5yrs ).
I suggested a psycologist to the Paed and he said no not yet. (i think "I" will need one soon)

She starts school in 6 weeks and its my worst nightmare.
Has anyone had any experience in this or know of anyone that has i am at my wits end

Thanks for listening

#2 Dylan's Mummy

Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

I can't give you any advice really but can sympathise. My 9 year old step son still does this. He has improved over the years but it does still happen a couple of times a week. I can understand how you feel.  If it is any help, my SS has only occasionally poooed his pants at school and he has never said that he has been teased about it.

I don't think it comes from a fear of pooing if she is 5 and it's still happening. They can be too distracted to notice how their body is feeling. It can also come from being constipated long term and having the bowel stretch and losing the sensations that it needs to tell her she needs to go to the toilet. When the poo builds up, often bits can break off and come out (called "sneaky poos" apparently).

We tried reward charts and punishments and a lot of other things but none of it works for too long.  The best you can do is sit her on the toilet about 20 min after breakfast, lunch and dinner for about 5 min. If she goes, then that's good, but she possibly won't. This is to get their bowel used to emptying.

I've read up on this issue too and there doesn't seem to be too many really successful solutions. I think it just gets better with time, a LOT of time.

Edited by Dylan's Mummy, 18 December 2012 - 11:17 AM.


#3 AMPSyd

Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:34 PM

It does sound like encropsis.

My DS had it and parachoc worked wonders, softened things nicely. Yes, get her to go to the loo 20 mins after meals - the bowels work around this time.

I also didn't think DS was constipated as he went regularly - but - they were - TMI - huge. A Dr said said this can show constipation.

I found DS sensitive to some foods - paddle pops, pineapple juice (he now has apple juice), flavoured chips. He loved oats for breaky but I found that oats do block him up.

I read, here on EB - that too much fibre can actually block them up. Better use things that soften stools. Pears are good for that, as well prunes. Parachoc is a stool softener.

But it takes time as the bowels need to revert to the normal size (encropsis means the bowel is stretched and some leakage can occur).

Good luck.

#4 mummydo

Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:13 PM

thanks for your reply's. I do put her on the toilet after meals however she can do nothing then have poo in pants 10mins later (so frustrating).
I have had her on parachoc untill i saw paed and started her on the osmolax (i didnt want to overload her. and even now with that and the benefibre and increased fibre in diet she can have a massive runny poo 3 times in one day then go 2 days of nothing then normal poo, so its so hard to adjust her dosages.
I have tried pear and prunes and she wont have a bar of them, even pear juice she wont touch. just trying high fibre cereals at the moment. I find it so hard to pinpoint any food relations.

#5 soapy

Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:22 PM

My DS (5) doesn't seem to like to go to the toilet and if we don't take note he could go up to 7 days without going. He doesn't seem scared to go just would rather hold on than go. I am thinking of trying Parachoc over the holidays to get him more regular as the Dr said his bowels need retraining. He doesn't have accidents but just thought I would let you know you are not the only one. A school mum/friend has a little boy who soils himself at school has organised a plan so that if it happens the child goes to the office where a change of clothes is kept and they help him clean up.

#6 luke's mummu

Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:22 PM

Have you tried prune juice? My 7 year old (who is a very fussy eater and also suffers from constipation) has  about 1/2 a cup of prune juice over his weetbix every morning, then milk added. He will also drink small amounts of watered down prune juice occasionally.

#7 mummydo

Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

i have tried prune juice a while a go might give it another shot. Thanks

#8 rileys-mum

Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:04 PM

Hi OP, we have just come out of 3 years of encorpresis. I can only tell you what has worked for us.
Please watch the amount of fibre you are giving. We have worked out that both my boys react to fibre and it causes them to clog up.  With my eldest, we were on 3 sashets if movical and 50mls para choc a day. It was excessive and not good. Out of desperation I went and saw a naturopath who performed some Bowen therapy. We are now medication free but still have the occasional flare up. I know of 4 other families who have also had success with this condition and natural therapies so maybe just something to consider.

Op, it is a long, frustrating road that I would not wish upon everyone. Everytime there is an kids underwear sale on, stock up so that on those really bad days when you can't handle any more poo, you can just throw the soiled undies in the bin! Good luck

#9 mummydo

Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:24 PM

thank you rileys-mum i will give a naturopath a go in the new year. its so hard to decide whether to keep going with all the stuff we are using ie benefibre and osmolax or stop and try something like what worked for you. since uping her fibre she has had quite big runny poos and alot in pants but im guessing its good as its keeping her empty and giving it a chance to get those muscles back to normal.
Its soooo sooooo hard and really resent her at times (hate to admit it)
also its so hard as everyone else around her (adults) tend to try to to say to her "why did you do that in your pants" in a dissapointing tone and are not encouraging to her. I am only just realising that she cannot help it and truley doesnt know when its there....

#10 handsfull

Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:35 PM

Having been there and done that I totally agree with your Paed.  Give her time and it will happen.  You mentioned that she has been a very anxious child in the past, is she also sensory by chance.  A lot to do with pooing is to do with the senses.

My DD1 started Prep and would still only go in pullups.  So frustrating as I had been training them since 2 years.....However we found out she was a sensory child and it also has to do with letting go, with undies/pullups they feel it close to their skin, in the toilet there is nothing.. IFKWIM.

It took DD1 half way through Prep before she could go in a toilet and she worked out a pattern to get around school accidents.  She went in the morning in a pullup or after school/at night in a pullup.  Sometimes she wouldn't go for a few days - I think 10 days was a record for us and she was on all types of medicines.

She take Osmolax occasionally but only because I know she doesn't drink enough water sometimes and poos are hard and I want to make sure she doesn't get constipated or a fissure with trying to strain.  

It will happen and try to get people to back off a bit on their comments, they may be young but they can still understand people's tones and words.  I do not feel it is encoparesis based on what you have said, as my paed said my DD definitely did not fall into that category and he definitely had kids that did.  The fact that she is going at all in any way is a good thing, just needs some fine tuning.....lol!

Edited by handsfull, 19 December 2012 - 09:36 PM.





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

For and against

Should Blue Ivy have been at the VMAs?

Many were quick to condemn Beyonce and Jay Z after appearing on stage at the MTV Video Music Awards with their two-year-old daughter, but others thought it was a sweet family moment. What do you think?

Toddler attacked at gym creche

Two-year-old girl Eva Ness was left with a black eye and bite marks on her face and body after an altercation with an older child at a health club's child-minding facilities. Now her parents are calling for the centre to be closed.

Pregnancy a tricky matter of timing for FIFO couples

Manipulating rosters, coordinating 'conjugal' visits, working on site with your partner; getting pregnant can prove stressful for FIFO workers.

WIN a $100 RedBalloon for Dad

Enter now for your chance to win 1 of 5 $100 RedBalloon experience vouchers. Helping you make Dad's Day EXTRA HAPPY.

Carseats have twice as many germs as a toilet

Most parents know their child's carseat is not always squeaky clean, but they might not realise just how dirty it really is.

Doctors remove foetus from 'medical marvel' after 36 years

Doctors in India have removed the skeleton of a foetus that had been inside a woman for 36 years.

Nine months in six seconds: new parents' Vine clip a hit

We?ve seen some memorable time-lapse pregnancy and birth announcement videos before. Now one new couple has taken it to the extreme, capturing it all in just a six-second Vine video.

Sonia Kruger speaks of baby joy

Celebrity mum-to-be Sonia Kruger has spoken candidly about using donor eggs and IVF to fall pregnant at age 48.

Dressing to not impress: life through the eyes of a three-year-old

When it comes to getting dressed, my three-year-old has only one criterion: ?I don?t want to look beautiful.? And now I've worked out why.

Special nappies made with love for angel babies

Angel Baby Nappies make and provide tiny bereavement cloth nappies for pre-term stillborn babies and premature babies who pass away in the NICU.

Inside the brain of a tantruming toddler

What's going on in your child's mind in the lead-up to a tantrum? And what?s the best way to respond?

5 secrets to a long-lasting relationship

When it comes to keeping your relationship strong, it?s what you do - and not what you want - that really matters.

When 'furbabies' meet real babies

I am obsessed with my dogs, and can't imagine loving them any less once my baby arrives. But that doesn't stop everyone from telling me I will.

The least popular baby names of 2013

Looking for a baby name that?s nowhere near the top 10 ? or even the top 1000? Try the bottom five.

'I was so sleep deprived I crashed my car'

There are no laws regulating driving while tired, but statistics show that driver fatigue is one of the top three contributors to the road toll.

Why are there so few sexy maternity bras?

Rather than feeling ashamed of their post-baby bodies, women should be free to buy lingerie that makes them look attractive and pretty - no matter what stage of life they're in.

Toddler Alliyah one step closer to first trip home

She has lived the first 14 months of her life in a hospital intensive care unit, but Alliyah Broadby's parents hope to finally take their little girl home with them.

'Put people before IVF profits': IVF pioneer Alan Trounson

IVF could be done for hundreds of dollars in Australia instead of $8500 if clinics stopped charging what ''the market will handle'', a pioneer of the technology says.

Expectant parents urged to swap the pub for bub

Nearly one in five women drink while pregnant, but a current campaign is trying to drive down that unhealthy statistic.

Nutella supplies threatened by bad weather

There's bad news for fans of Nutella, the gooey, chocolatey hazelnut spread.

The cost of growing your own vegies

Does it make financial sense to grow your own veggies, or are you better off ordering produce from the local food co-op?

Breastfeeding mums less likely to suffer from PND, but all need support

A new study has shown the a complex relationship between a mother?s intention to breastfeed, her ability to do so, and postnatal depression.

Win back some precious time and get FREE coupons

Membership to eBay's Bubs? Corner is free and includes a $10 coupon to spend on nappies each month - a win for multitasking mums!

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Win back some precious time and get FREE coupons

Membership to eBay's Bubs? Corner is free and includes a $10 coupon to spend on nappies each month - a win for multitasking mums!

Do you suffer from Precious Firstborn Syndrome?

Testing ?no more tears? shampoo in your own eyes, warming cucumber sticks so they're not cold straight from the fridge, waking a sleeping baby to check they?re still breathing: these are all symptoms of Precious Firstborn Syndrome.

Ezra's tragic death not in vain, mum says

Little Ezra was a "Harry Houdini" who loved trying to escape the family home. Now, after his tragic death, his parents are doing what they can to help others.

7 mistakes old hands make with new babies

As I sat across the table from my friend ? me, a seasoned mother of three; her, a brand new mum ? I thought of all the mistakes an old-hand parent can make when visiting a newborn baby.

Video: When adults act like children

Ever wondered what would happen if adults were allowed to act like children? This dad's hilarious video clip will give you an idea of what life would be like.

Mums hit hardest as flu cases skyrocket

The number of confirmed cases of influenza in Australia has doubled the number for the same time last year - and women are 25 per cent more likely to get it.

The mum who had four babies in nine months

Feeling exhausted due to the demands of caring for a baby? Imagine the life of this mum, who gave birth to three boys and one girl in just nine months.

Everything baby at Big W

Lowest prices on everything baby, only at Big W. Sale starts August 4 and ends August 20 2014.

Smiggle is painting the town red!

We have 3 Red Smiggle prize packs to give away! Enter by posting a photo of something red to your Instagram.

Going viral

Mum gives birth at school

After four decades in the industry, pest controller John Birkett couldn't believe what he found in one woman's bedroom.

Personalised baby gifts

We've scoured the internet to find gorgeous personalised keepsakes and nursery decor to record baby name and dates. They make great gifts for christenings, name days and birthdays! (All prices in AU.)

 

Mind, body, beauty, life

Making time for me

We look at your wellbeing, covering health, relationships, beauty and fashion, mind and body.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.