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#1 Feral Becky

Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:50 AM

When DH and I walk our dogs every morning there is a couple who sleep and seem to live in their car.They are usually parked around the local school but that is neither here nor there, I think this is because there is a lot of parking there. They are Africans and I mention this so Judgy McJudgys can say "What does this have to do with anything?" They appear well dressed and in their 40's I'd say but have heaps of their belongings in the car. Most mornings early they are asleep.

Who do we ring out of concern for these people? The police? Salvation Army?
This has been going of for weeks and I am embarrassed I haven't done anything sooner.

EFC

Edited by LindsayMK, 16 December 2012 - 10:55 AM.


#2 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:57 AM

You don't ring anybody.  It's also irrelevant that they are African--nice of you to tell us so we can all go huh?  Wut?

What do you hope to achieve by ringing anybody?  You could take them some morning coffee and ask them directly if they need or want your help.

#3 JaneDoe2010

Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:58 AM

Can't you approach them if you're concerned? The actual real people?

#4 eilca

Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:59 AM

Balzac, think meatloaf: you took the words right out of my mouth.

#5 Feral Becky

Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:59 AM

I seem to sh*t you for some reason Balzac, not sure why?


#6 babychacha

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:00 AM

Is it against the law? I don't think so but guess I could be wrong.

I don't think there is a need to report it. You could always leave them a typed message with phone numbers and address of people that could help.

#7 BadCat

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:00 AM

Could you go by when they wake up and have a chat with them?  Perhaps ask if they need some help, see if they know where help may be available?

I don't think there is anyone to report to for something like this.

#8 Feral Becky

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:01 AM

QUOTE (JaneDoe2010 @ 16/12/2012, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can't you approach them if you're concerned? The actual real people?



Thank you for a good suggestion. They are usually asleep though when we walk past about 7AM.

#9 JaneDoe2010

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:02 AM

QUOTE (LindsayMK @ 16/12/2012, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I seem to sh*t you for some reason Balzac, not sure why?


I gave the exact same opinion as Balzac and have no idea who either of you are.

I just think it's sad that people see someone possibly in need and their first thought is "who do I report this to?" rather than just going on over there and having personal contact with them.

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Edited by JaneDoe2010, 16 December 2012 - 12:40 PM.


#10 JaneDoe2010

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (LindsayMK @ 16/12/2012, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you for a good suggestion. They are usually asleep though when we walk past about 7AM.


Then leave a note. Leave some vouchers. Leave your mobile number.

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Edited by JaneDoe2010, 16 December 2012 - 12:40 PM.


#11 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (LindsayMK @ 16/12/2012, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I seem to sh*t you for some reason Balzac, not sure why?


I respond to the content, not the poster so I cannot answer that easily.

#12 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:04 AM

I disagree that their ethnicity is irrelevant. The fact that they appear to be African may indicate that they are new to the community and not aware of avenues of assistance. Perhaps your local community centre might be a good place to start. They may have contacts for welfare organisations or African/Australian community groups. I understand that it is difficult to approach people personally but perhaps , armed with some contact info, you could then approach them to see if they need help. Good on you for caring.

#13 Feral Becky

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:08 AM

OK, calm down people, I meant report in terms of the fact that I am concerned about these people, and want them out of their car and into a house, not that I want them to go to jail or anything. I said to DH on our walk that surely this country can find accommodation for people.

But anyway, make something out of something that isn't there by all means, whatever floats your boat.
I actually thought police at first but didn't want the police to come down too hard on them, ie give a parking fine. Would prefer some charity to maybe help them out and just wanted some suggestions as to the best avenue.

#14 niggles

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:09 AM

I'm not sure what your question is. Do you want to find out how to support them yourself? Or do you want to report them so they will be assisted by someone else?

You could start with the relevant COSS in your state who can probably connect you with an appropriate local sevice provider.

Or the Council to Homeless Persons may be more relevant, though I'm no expert on whether they operate in every state.

http://chp.org.au/

You could of course call the police too for advice.


#15 No-pants Agnodice

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

I don't think the question is irrelevant or dumb.

What is OP meant so say to them... "Hi there, I have no actual suggestions for where you might seek help, but thought I'd wake you to see if you needed any?"

She's not going to 'report' them. She's trying to find out who she can talk to about getting them help that they may not be aware of.

OP maybe start with the local council, who are after aware of local homeless resources.



#16 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

So if you assume that they need to be given info, as I said in my first response, talk to them and see what help they need.

If they are in contact with the local services (and it is probable that they are, most people don't choose to live in a car) it would be upsetting to have a well-meaning stranger give them that info with the implicit assumption in it that they are ignorant, that they don't try hard enough or that they need to move on.

The OP has obviously seen them dressed and awake.  Maybe she could walk the dogs a bit later one morning and stop to chat with them?

#17 rainycat

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

LindsayMK, how dare you be concerned for these people. rolleyes.gif

As suggested by a pp, can you leave some info under their windscreen wipers with organisations that may be able to offer assistance if needed.

#18 Feral Becky

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:12 AM

QUOTE (Old Grey Mare @ 16/12/2012, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree that their ethnicity is irrelevant. The fact that they appear to be African may indicate that they are new to the community and not aware of avenues of assistance. Perhaps your local community centre might be a good place to start. They may have contacts for welfare organisations or African/Australian community groups. I understand that it is difficult to approach people personally but perhaps , armed with some contact info, you could then approach them to see if they need help. Good on you for caring.



Thank you for understanding the post and not getting hysterical.
We have a community centre so I will go there tomorrow. Our local MP also is great in pointing people in the right direction. Thanks, it has got my mind going in the right way, I was stuck as to what to do original.gif

#19 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:15 AM

And as your starting point, realise that there are many many homeless people in the Australian community who are homeless because we don't do a good enough job of housing people who are falling through cracks.

It's not as simple as connecting them up to a local support service--if they don't have children or other major needs, then it is perfectly likely that they are on a waiting list of many years to get social housing.

Connections in the community can sometimes help people find places or find a place in the community.  Being homeless is a very isolated way to live--I'm not saying bounce up to them and say I can fix this for you!  But YK?  A simple human connection?

#20 nano-tyrannus

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:15 AM

QUOTE (LindsayMK @ 16/12/2012, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who do we ring out of concern for these people? The police? Salvation Army?
This has been going of for weeks and I am embarrassed I haven't done anything sooner.
EFC


Maybe your local church group might be able to help?
If you're embarrassed about it (from their's and your point of view), it's more socially acceptable to have a minister approach them and ask if they need assistance

#21 #LG

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

OP I've no idea why your post seems to have upset a couple of members and FWIW I think they are being completely absurd. Some people seem to be able to get irritated at just about anything, so don't sweat it.

I think it's nice that you want to help these people. It's possible that they are relatively new to this country based on your observation that they appear African (so yes that WAS a necessary piece of information) and they may not know what help is available.

If I were you I would speak to the Salvos, Mission Australia, whoever is in your area about what services they provide for the homeless.

Then I would leave a note on the car asking if they would like some assistance and offering to help them make contact with the appropriate organisations. Sometimes people don't know where to go for help or are too embarrassed to ask.

My cousin is currently homeless and we don't know where she is living or how she is managing (drug and other problems) and I would love to think someone is helping her to help herself.

#22 Drowningnotwaving

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:18 AM

QUOTE (JaneDoe2010 @ 16/12/2012, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I gave the exact same opinion as Balzac and have no idea who either of you are.

I just think it's sad that people see someone possibly in need and their first thought is "who do I report this to?" rather than just going on over there and having personal contact with them.

And you're right, being African has NOTHING to do with the situation at all, unless you're scared of talking to them in case you catch "the black".


Umm what? See below, I thought it was pretty obvious as to why she mentioned they were African. Not sure how you got that so twisted.  

QUOTE (Old Grey Mare @ 16/12/2012, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree that their ethnicity is irrelevant. The fact that they appear to be African may indicate that they are new to the community and not aware of avenues of assistance. Perhaps your local community centre might be a good place to start. They may have contacts for welfare organisations or African/Australian community groups. I understand that it is difficult to approach people personally but perhaps , armed with some contact info, you could then approach them to see if they need help. Good on you for caring.



#23 JaneDoe2010

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:19 AM

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Edited by JaneDoe2010, 16 December 2012 - 12:41 PM.


#24 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:23 AM

I'm giving up.

If the OP had left the ethnicity out of her post, would more of you be saying just talk to them?  I'm gobsmacked that the idea of talking to another human being with a cup of coffee is absurd.

#25 JaneDoe2010

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:23 AM

This is what I would do:

1. Go to the people and establish a relationship with them.

2. Find out if they have any needs.

3. Help them fill those needs.

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Edited by JaneDoe2010, 16 December 2012 - 12:41 PM.





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