Jump to content

Above Ground Pool Fencing
Please help.


  • Please log in to reply
52 replies to this topic

#1 *focus*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

I am going anon as I know I am going to get slammed for this.

We decided to get an above ground pool for Christmas mostly to get our children off computers.

We thought we had all the info on pool fences etc.

Bought the pool.

It is now 2 weeks from Christmas. Just realised that (I think) our fencing is not compliant for NSW but would be for some other states. We are in NSW.
DH has arranged to install a gate for $600 which makes it better but still not compliant. They have probably started making it so we probably have to pay regardless now.
To make it compliant we would have to fence the whole pool and spend around $5,000.
We can't afford that.
Relatives have bought pool toys for Christmas.
We have gone over this 1000 times DH is getting very crankythinks I am overreacting and no kid could get into the pool anyway.
I am really uncomfortable with the whole thing. I can't talk to anyone about it.
I don't know what to do.
We had planned to put the pool up this weekend.
Please help and please don't abuse me for not caring about kids drowning because I really do care otherwise I wouldn't worry about it.

#2 SeaPrincess

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:15 PM

Your local council will be able to tell you the specific requirements.  Speak to them or have a look on their website.

#3 PrincessPeach

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:19 PM

I was just going through the pool fencing laws yesterday with my BIL (he's just bought a new house!) - however I am in Qld, so I don't know if the rules are the same.

In Qld you can apply to have an authorised temporary fence put up for 3 months. Now not sure if that is the same case in NSW, but it might give you the financial breathing space.

Is there also an option for you to buy & erect your own pool fence & then have it inspected?

#4 *focus*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:22 PM

It does not and will not comply.

It will cost around $5000 to comply. We looked inot putting the fence in ourselves. It is not at all easy and you don't save that much. Plus not knowing what you are doing can mean that the fence is not safe.

#5 *focus*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:32 PM

The thing is, we bought a pool with 1.2m high walls and no toe holes as we thought this was compliant (if we take out the steps). It woudn't be compliant in Queensland but not in NSW. DH isn't concerned as he thinks if it is compliant in Queens;and we shouldn't worry about it.

#6 BetteBoop

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:33 PM

OP, if the side walls are over 1.2 metres (?) it may not require a fence. That's worth looking in to as you may not need to be concerned with the non compliant fence.

How old are your kids?

#7 JRA

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:35 PM

So it is compliant in the state you are in?

QUOTE
It woudn't be compliant in Queensland but not in NSW. DH isn't concerned as he thinks if it is compliant in Queens;and we shouldn't worry about it.


I am not sure what you are saying?




#8 *focus*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE (BetteBoop @ 13/12/2012, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OP, if the side walls are over 1.2 metres (?) it may not require a fence. That's worth looking in to as you may not need to be concerned with the non compliant fence.

How old are your kids?


Yes we would not require a fence if we were in Queensland but in NSW the pool is required to be fenced regardless.  My kids are old enough to stand in a pool that size. The youngest is 11 so I am not in the slightlest concerned about them. I am more concerned about the little kids next door. There is a fence next door which is over 1.2 meters but it is not compliant because it has toe holds which are 1.1m apart that is 10cm less than they should be and there is a tree next to the fence. The neighbours with the little kids have a non compliant spa, but somehow that doesn't make me feel any better about the whole thing.

#9 SeaPrincess

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:41 PM

Call your local council.  They will know what applies.  
Our local council uses satellite imagery to check on pools - they do random checks on a certain number each year as well as identifying new pool installations.

#10 *focus*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (JRA @ 13/12/2012, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So it is compliant in the state you are in?



I am not sure what you are saying?


Sorry, it would be compliant in Queensland but we are in NSW. It is not compliant in the state we are in. I am not particualrly concerned about getting fined because I think we would get a warning first. My concern is about the safety of the kids around us.

#11 JRA

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:41 PM

The pool is illegal from what you have said, so no I wouldn't. simple, for multiple reason:
- it is illegal
- I would not want to knowingly on purpose contribute to someones death. it isn't that you dont know, you do.
- see point 2
- see point 2

#12 baddmammajamma

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:44 PM

Hi focus,

I can only imagine how frustrated your husband is & thinking that you are overreacting -- but please don't waver on this one. You have every reason to feel like it doesn't feel right to try to skirt safety standards.

Call your local counsel with your husband as he is the one who needs educating, and reach out to Safewaters or Hannah's Foundation.

OP, I think you appreciate that if you can't comply with safety standards, then you have no real choice other than not to erect the pool -- even if your husband is pressuring you to do so.

I'm sorry for you & your family that you guys don't have the money to fence it properly right now -- lots of disappointment all around, I'm sure (but you are doing the ONLY right thing by holding out).

Hannah Plint (hannabug's daughter) died in an above ground pool accident. sad.gif


#13 *focus*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:44 PM

Does anyone know of a way to make the pool compliant that is not going to cost that much?

#14 *focus*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE (baddmammajamma @ 13/12/2012, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi focus,

I can only imagine how frustrated your husband is & thinking that you are overreacting -- but please don't waver on this one. You have every reason to feel like it doesn't feel right to try to skirt safety standards.

Call your local counsel with your husband as he is the one who needs educating, and reach out to Safewaters or Hannah's Foundation.

OP, I think you appreciate that if you can't comply with safety standards, then you have no real choice other than not to erect the pool -- even if your husband is pressuring you to do so.

I'm sorry for you & your family that you guys don't have the money to fence it properly right now -- lots of disappointment all around, I'm sure (but you are doing the ONLY right thing by holding out).

Hannah Plint (hannabug's daughter) died in an above ground pool accident. sad.gif


He knows what the standards are.

#15 JRA

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:47 PM

the cost is hard to compare, it depends on the size etc.

are you needing to fence around the whole pool, or are some of your external fences compliant?



#16 JRA

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:48 PM

sorry, we posted at the same time, he knows the standards and wants to go ahead with an illegal fence?

You say you are not worried about a fine as you would get a warning first. What happens when you get the warning? You would pull the pool down then?

#17 baddmammajamma

Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:57 PM

QUOTE (*focus* @ 13/12/2012, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am going anon as I know I am going to get slammed for this.

We decided to get an above ground pool for Christmas mostly to get our children off computers.

We thought we had all the info on pool fences etc.

Bought the pool.

It is now 2 weeks from Christmas. Just realised that (I think) our fencing is not compliant for NSW but would be for some other states. We are in NSW.
DH has arranged to install a gate for $600 which makes it better but still not compliant. They have probably started making it so we probably have to pay regardless now.
To make it compliant we would have to fence the whole pool and spend around $5,000.
We can't afford that.
Relatives have bought pool toys for Christmas.
We have gone over this 1000 times DH is getting very crankythinks I am overreacting and no kid could get into the pool anyway.
I am really uncomfortable with the whole thing. I can't talk to anyone about it.
I don't know what to do.
We had planned to put the pool up this weekend.
Please help and please don't abuse me for not caring about kids drowning because I really do care otherwise I wouldn't worry about it.



QUOTE (*focus* @ 13/12/2012, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The thing is, we bought a pool with 1.2m high walls and no toe holes as we thought this was compliant (if we take out the steps). It woudn't be compliant in Queensland but not in NSW. DH isn't concerned as he thinks if it is compliant in Queens;and we shouldn't worry about it.


Not directed at you, but your husband is being totally unreasonable.

You might be better off starting a thread called "Looking For Responsible But Reasonable Pool Fencer in ___, NSW Area" -- that way, you might actually get some recommendations of who to use (who will still be safe) -- because this thread, as currently positioned, is going to be a losing battle for you. sad.gif  

I'm sorry that your husband isn't on board, and I can totally understand why you are stressed.

Edited by baddmammajamma, 13 December 2012 - 02:59 PM.


#18 Screm

Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:03 PM

Could you not find a fencing company that does interest free? That way you won't need the money upfront but can have your pool this summer.

#19 fancie shmancie

Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:06 PM



I thought the required distance between footholds is no less than 900mm.  So boundary fence forming part of the pool isolation may comply.

I would draw a rough map of where you want the pool to go in your yard (including boundary fences, other structures, trees etc) and take it to your local council for advice re placement of the new pool fencing.



#20 JRA

Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

The problem the op has is that she cant go to the council for advice as her husband wont follow it anyway.



#21 *focus*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:45 PM

Ok now i need emotional support as I will have to say to my DH that I no longer want the $600 gate we just bought, no longer want the pool, and have to call relatives and tell them pool toys are not appropriate.

Edited by *focus*, 13 December 2012 - 03:47 PM.


#22 JRA

Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:52 PM

focus: i do feel for you, you are in a very difficult situation.


as has been said, are you sure your outer fence with 1.1m is not compliant?

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Consumer...quirements.html

#23 mewsings

Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:53 PM

Will he respond better OP if you phrase it along the lines of trying to save money as well as lives ?  

"DH, I'm really worried that when the council come to issue the compliance certificate that we will be hit with a massive bill to make the fence comply, so let's stop now"  sort of approach ?

For what it's worth,  this is one of those issues I'd dig my heels in over.  I'd get the council to view your proposed plan -  you haven't done anything yet, so you're not actually non-compliant.  Then put it in writing in front of your DH with the costs. I wouldn't bother telling the rellies no pool toys, you can still use them at the beach, the local pool etc...

#24 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:54 PM

No, you need to tell your husband that you don't want the risk or the potential heavy fines.

#25 *focus*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:01 PM

QUOTE (JRA @ 13/12/2012, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
focus: i do feel for you, you are in a very difficult situation.


as has been said, are you sure your outer fence with 1.1m is not compliant?

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Consumer...quirements.html


There is also a tree next to the fence. On the nrighbours side so the choice to cut it isn't ours.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Childcare Survey

Win a $100 Coles/Myers gift voucher by completing the 5 minute childcare survey.

Kelly Clarkson shares first photos of son

Kelly Clarkson has shown off the first photos of her son, Remington Alexander Blackstock.

5 childbirth myths that need to be busted

Birth is an unpredictable, mysterious process that intrigues us all, and there is a lot of misinformation out there.

Mum of three fatally shot by toddler while driving

A US mother has been shot by her toddler while driving on a highway in Wisconsin.

All you need is one minute to work out

The seven-minute-work out is old news. Research shows the effectiveness of going hell-for-leather for just one minute.

Pregnant women needed to join diabetes study

Pregnant woman in country Australia will help Adelaide researchers figure out why cases of type 1 diabetes have doubled over the past two decades.

Just announced: the Mountain Buggy Unirider

It's the perfect solution to combat those toddler meltdowns when they no longer want to be in a pram but can't walk long distances.

Authorities euthanise dog that fatally bit a newborn baby

A pit bull mix that fatally bit a 3-day-old infant last week has been euthanised, authorities said.

The push for Medicare to fund lactation consultants

While meeting with a lactation consultant can make an enormous difference to a new mother, it's not a service that is available through the public health system.

Why it's perfectly natural to dislike other people's children

Members of a popular forum are fiercely debating whether it is acceptable to dislike a friend's child.

Woman gives birth on plane, names baby after airline

A pregnant woman who unexpectedly gave birth on a flight has named her new baby after the airline, Jetstar.

Heartwarming photos show the joy of adoption after foster care

Children living in foster care can feel like their future is less than clear. But that uncertainty disappears the day they are adopted by their "forever family" 

'Oh my god, it's a baby!' Mum shocked to give birth

When the cramps started to kick in, Klara Dollan just assumed a painful period was starting.

Mum's Facebook plea: 'Help me find my daughter's father'

Kerryn has a unusual present planned for daughter Imi's 13th birthday celebrations - she hopes to be able to be able to give the soon-to-be the teenager her first ever photo of her dad.

Is it possible for your house to be too clean?

Our houses are cleaner than ever before. But how clean is too clean? Could a sterile home be putting your family's health at risk?

Millions of Monkeys: puzzles that grow with your toddler

Here's a puzzle that grows with them; the Puzzle Grow Pack by Millions of Monkeys.

Baby names from Britpop

If you grew up in the 90s you might want to look to the genre of Britpop music for baby name inspiration.

What to eat and drink when you have gastro

When you catch a bug that causes acute infectious gastroenteritis (gastro), your stomach and intestinal tract become inflamed, causing diarrhoea, nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramping and pain. The last thing you probably feel like doing is eating.

'To this day, I owe her my life'

Would I have survived if I hadn't crossed that street?

Why baby Sonny needs you to vaccinate your children

Caitlin is a firm believer in the importance of immunisation to protect children from harmful and deadly diseases.

Five-year-old's photo captures beauty of motherhood

There is no make-up or special outfits and hairdos, but the five-year-old boy who took this picture captured the essence of motherhood as well as any professional photographer.

Babies know whether you are naughty or nice

Studies have shown that infants in the first months of life try to avoid dealing with social wrongdoers - for example, sharing less with them and helping them less - and they expect others to, too.

 
Advertisement
 

Top 5 Articles

Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Childcare Survey

Win a $100 Coles/Myers gift voucher by completing the 5 minute childcare survey.

The babies who are one in 70 million

Bethani Webb was excited to find out she was pregnant, but the first time mum did not realise she was carrying four babies not one.

Cafe offers breastfeeding mums a free cup of tea

A Sydney cafe is offering breastfeeding mums free cups of tea in a bid to show support for the right of women to nurse their babies wherever they choose.

To snip or not to snip? When the decision is not clear cut

Jamie Oliver, who considered a vasectomy, is to be a father again. A fellow dad reflects on his own decision 11 years ago

Doctors stunned by rare twins born almost six weeks apart

To everyone's surprise, Kristen Miller "kept doing better each day", keeping her second baby safe.

Baby book ideas for modern parents

Before my son was born I was given a lovely baby book full of blank pages waiting to be filled with weights and heights and first words.

The adorable smile of a baby seeing his mum clearly for the first time

There is no doubt seeing their child smile for the first time is an unforgettable moment for parents everywhere.

Mum tells how toddler 'nearly hung himself' in cot mishap

When Alison Johnson put her 18-month-old Caleb down for a nap, she had no reason to believe her son was in any danger.

Babies are still switched at birth? Yes, it can happen

All my panic and tears aside, my biggest question looking back is about the kind of security measures used in the maternity ward.

Doctors slammed for taking selfie with newborn

Everyone who visits a mum in hospital in the days following childbirth wants to get a photo with the new baby.

ergoPouch Twosie Sleepsuit for winter breastfeeding

Finally, there's a way to keep warm while breastfeeding through winter.

Health check: How long does sex 'normally' last?

What to do with this information? My advice would be to try not to think about it during the throes of passion.

When breastfeeding sucks: fixing common problems

From niplash to tight boobs, biting to milk supply issues, Pinky McKay looks at common breastfeeding issues and how to solve them.

10 things I've learnt in my first six months with twins

Six months on we're all still alive, and the more we get to know each other the easier the days become.

Mum's loving kiss leaves baby fighting for life

Kirsty Carrington thought nothing of giving her newborn son a kiss, little did she know it would leave the baby fighting for life.

When doing chores is your new 'me time'

After children, 'me time' looks a little different.

Get going: 14 travel strollers for families on the move

A stroller can make or break travelling with a baby or toddler. Here are 15 great single travel stroller options.

10 ways toddlers are terrific

It always pays to remind yourself of how terrific toddlers can be - they're little like this for such a short time

 

ENTER NOW

Do your kids love bananas?

This is the comp for you! We have $800 worth of Myer gift cards and boxes of Australian Bananas to be won. Entry is simple: just post a pic of your little one enjoying a banana in the comments of the FB post to enter.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.