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#1 Rachaelxxx

Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:08 AM

Does your primary school have a first aid officer in charge of the sick bay or does your school have a school nurse.  For those that only have a first aid officer, would you prefer a school nurse or are you happy with the duty of care the kids are receiving.

I'm also curious to ask that if your child was sent home from school because he/she said they were feeling really unwell and then you got them home and they seemed fine, would you be mad at the school for a misdiagnoses or more upset with your child for playing up his/her symptoms.

Edited by Rachaelxxx, 12 December 2012 - 10:11 AM.


#2 Mianta

Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:21 AM

Well, I am pretty sure my children's school only has first aid officers, who are also the office staff. As long as there is someone trained in first aid on site, I am really not bothered if they are a nurse or not.

As for the "misdiagnosis" issue, well nurses can't diagnose illnesses either. So, if your child managed to pull the wool over their eyes, then it is the issue with the child not the staff. My children have been in trouble when they pretended to be sick, forced the school staff to call us, meaning we had to leave our jobs early, only to get the child home and find that they are fine. What are staff meant to do if a child comes up to them and say they have had diarrheoa (which is what my children have used as an excuse)?

Edited by Mianta, 12 December 2012 - 10:21 AM.


#3 Gloriana

Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:37 AM

QUOTE
my children's school only has first aid officers, who are also the office staff.


Same.

I used to get out of High school all the time. We had a nurse and I just said I felt unwell and she always said Yes you look pale (Hmm yeah I am a red head and have fair skin).
A nurse can't always tell if a child is lying. Same if you go to the ER looking for drugs I guess.

#4 Rachaelxxx

Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:46 AM

Thanks guys, I'm just curious to know because our school is the same, our office staff are trained in first aid and look after the sick kids and there are a few mums complaining, almost demanding a school nurse because they feel there have been a few instances when parents have been rung to come and collect sick kids, that have turned out to be fine.

#5 Overtherainbow

Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:48 AM

I'd be upset with the child but would be working out why hey wanted to wag.  We're they dealing with a friendship/bullying issue, nervous about a test, hadn't finished homework, feeling too tired, just didn't want to be there.

If a child lies, it's not the school's fault.  It's the child's fault.

After a chat to make sure nothing else is happening, I'd send them to bed with a book to spend the rest of day in bed.  No tv, computers or playing, just rest.  If there was something else going on we'd deal with that.

#6 Floral Arrangement

Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:53 AM

Being trained in first aid myself I am more than happy that we have first aid trained staff. I see no need for a school nurse, what could she actually do better anyway if a kid needs secondary medical attention or needs to go home how would the Nurse's procedure be any different to a first aid officer? It's not like the nurse will undertake medical procedures at the school ie stitches

#7 Julie3Girls

Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

If a child comes in saying they are feeling sick in the tummy, they want to throw up, how would a school nurse be any more likely be able to tell if the child is faking?

At our school, it is simply the office staff. Who I assume are first aide trained. I find the staff are pretty good. Our school is reasonable small, and the office staff tend to get to know the kids. If they are having a run of "illness" with a particular child, they will chat on the phone to the parent and work out the best course of action.

If the parents are finding their kids are going home sick and fine as soon as they get home, they need to work on this with their kids, not blame the staff.

I can just imagine what would happen if a child complaining of a sore tummy was kept at school because the staff thought she was faking, and then proceeded to throw up everywhere "Why didn't you ring me when my child said she was feeling sick?"

#8 Soontobegran

Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:09 AM

QUOTE (Rachaelxxx @ 12/12/2012, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks guys, I'm just curious to know because our school is the same, our office staff are trained in first aid and look after the sick kids and there are a few mums complaining, almost demanding a school nurse because they feel there have been a few instances when parents have been rung to come and collect sick kids, that have turned out to be fine.

I don't think it would make any difference whether it was a nurse or First aid attendant to be honest.The nurse still has a duty of care to act on what the child is complaining about even if she thinks she is being fooled. It is just too dangerous to decide a child is faking it. If your friends want a school nurse they'll have to be prepared that some program's the school runs will be cut and fees will go up to pay her/his wage.

#9 Carmen02

Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:09 AM

our school have first aid officers mostly office staff or aide staff that do it. More then happy with them! Especially when DS hurt his wrist badly at school and putting up with my DD who does everything in her books to try get out of school, they make them sit with a cup of water and watch them for 10 mins and if nothing happens they go back to class being watched. school nurses arent needed in my opinon

#10 IsolaBella

Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:54 PM

First aid officers and happy with that too.

As for kids faking illness... I would be talking to my kids.



#11 i-candi

Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:05 PM

First aid trained here, all office staff and support staff have their first aid certificate.

At DS high school last year there was a nurse at the school 24 hours a day (it was a day/boarding school), she was really good. DS has terrible airborne allergies and he really suffered at his new high school. She would administer medication and knew what to give him.

That nurse must have left because we kept getting called to pick up DS due to his allergies - swollen eyes, hives etc when all he really needed was his medication . DS said the guy in charge was a Brother (priest) so I suppose they were saving money employing a Brother rather than a registered nurse.

At DS new school there is only first aid trained staff and I've had to fill out form after form with photos and procedures to administer his medication. Meh as long as he gets the medication and is able to stay at school. I don't care who gives it to him.

#12 Justaduck

Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:12 PM

It was the 90s and all...but when I was in grade 6, the school nurse let me and a friend take over on lunch breaks and we manned the first aid room.

I'd be happy with first aid trained. I think my private high school only had first aid trained. They were mainly the admin ladies who were in the sick bay anyway. They never denied me going home though Tounge1.gif

#13 Georgie01

Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:20 PM

We do have a school nurse (paid for by an extra voluntary levy). Kids still get sent home if they say they feel sick/unwell, I don't imagine it's any different to having a first aid officer look at them (I don't have a problem with this). What the nurse is great for is helping manage chronic problems and providing extra support to children with special needs.

#14 José

Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

As pp have said I doubt even a nurse would accuse a child of faking it. The consequences could be significant for the possibly sick child for the nurses job. In today's world of litigation even a nurse would have to ere on the side of caution.

#15 Zesty

Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:00 PM

Our school has a first aid officer available at all times. There are several members of staff who are on duty for this. I don't think it is necessary for their to be a nurse.

As STBG stated, regardless if you think a child is bunging it on, you need to act on the symptoms they are telling you about. Imagine they outcry if the same child was in fact ill and you kept them at school. Perhaps it is inconvenient for the parent, however hopefully it will lead to a discussion as to why they are wanting to get out of school if they aren't genuinely sick.

I will say that I was amused with the method my daughters teacher employs. If she is suspicious regarding the validity of the illness claim, she will make them sit holding a bucket. She  said that within 5 minutes those that aren't genuinely sick usually feel a whole heap better and want to participate with class again. Those that are still complaining are sent to sick bay.

#16 Shellby

Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE
I'm also curious to ask that if your child was sent home from school because he/she said they were feeling really unwell and then you got them home and they seemed fine, would you be mad at the school for a misdiagnoses or more upset with your child for playing up his/her symptoms.


We don't even have a sick bay, they basically call you if the child tells them they feel sick. Well I finally had it this week as every Monday (as its my only day off during the week) my eldest would complain his tummy hurts. This time I told the school I wasn't picking him up as 10 minutes later he was happy as anything and fine - he just wanted to come home and knew I was home that day. By the time school ended he was running out of school asking to go to his mates house and felt fine.

I am upset at my son, but also kinda upset that his teacher hadn't picked up this happened every monday for the last 4 weeks. I understand one offs, but every Monday.


#17 Expelliarmus

Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:59 PM

Schools don't diagnose, so how could there be a misdiagnosis?

FWIW you have to err on the side of caution - if the child is complaining then you have no other course than to ring the parent. Frequently children are asked to have a drink/go to the toilet/eat something/rest for a while because that will weed out the fakers from the truly unwell. If they can keep up the act, what else is a responsible adult supposed to do?

A school nurse won't change the policies about ringing parents in the event of illness.

#18 Ritaroo

Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:09 PM

QUOTE (Zesty @ 12/12/2012, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will say that I was amused with the method my daughters teacher employs. If she is suspicious regarding the validity of the illness claim, she will make them sit holding a bucket. She  said that within 5 minutes those that aren't genuinely sick usually feel a whole heap better and want to participate with class again. Those that are still complaining are sent to sick bay.


Hahaha that's gold. I usually tell my class they are not going anywhere until I see either blood or vomit. That normally sorts them out. There is one girl in my girl who is a bit of a drama queen and whenever they have a fill in teacher, she is always sick and they send her to the office without any questions. All she gets from me is an unsympathetic "you'll be right, get on with your work".

#19 LynnyP

Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:03 PM

My daughter school has an RN on duty during the school day.  There is a proper sick bay with beds and cubicles and everything.  However she doesn't have an endoscopy suite!  If a child is faking it and is willing to put in the effort and time, she rings the parents.  She usually lets them have a lie down for 30 minutes and offers mylanta etc first.  All the staff have senior first aid certificates.  I am sure kids get sent home who are well all the time!

#20 emnut

Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:11 PM

most staff (both office & teachers) take it in turns of being first aid officer at DS's school.  Only time I've really had a problem is when he was sent home on Monday after what was really a pretty run of the mill fall causing minor grazes on one knee & elbow & a bit of red on his nose (not enough to break the skin there though).

#21 Lyn29

Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:05 PM

QUOTE (Shellby @ 12/12/2012, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am upset at my son, but also kinda upset that his teacher hadn't picked up this happened every monday for the last 4 weeks. I understand one offs, but every Monday.

Didn't you pick it up? I assume you have less than the 27 kids the teacher has keep an eye on. You'd have been better off warning your son that Monday morning that, after 3 pick ups, you wouldn't be picking him up that day without broken bones or vomit.

My school has never had a nurse. All of our office staff and aides, plus about half of the teachers, are first aid trained though. It's pretty rare to have anything serious, and if there is, the ambulance station is across the road - they get there fast!




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