Jump to content

Is this normal?
7m old night sleeping


8 replies to this topic

#1 Phoenix Blue

Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:53 AM

Just wondering if my 7m sleep pattern at night is still considered normal? She seems to sleep ok in the first part of the night but then it deteriorates as the night goes on.

She goes down in her cot around 7, put down awake and patted on bum until dozy or asleep.

Sometimes wakes after 45 mins needing resettling.

Wakes 9-10pm for breastfeed, easily straight back down.

Then wakes 12-1am where I try to resettle but usually end up feeding again.  She's not hungry at this feed but seems to want the comfort.

Then she wakes every hour to hour and a half for either resettle or feed.

I usually end up co-sleeping at this end of the night as I'm so tired.

More often than not, she's wide awake for 1-2 hours in this block, alternating between cooing and crying. She doesnt seem happy no matter what i do, wont feed to sleep, wont be patted, just wants to be awake and in my arms i guess. DH sometimes tries to settle her, but usually this just makes her hysterical.

She's on 3 solid meals a day, and a pretty good eater if she likes the type of food. Breastfed about 5 times during the day, and lots during the night!
Day sleeps are pretty good with 2x 90min naps most days, and sometimes a 3rd catnap.
I settle her in the cot, working towards self settling.

So is this standard 7 month behavior? My previous boys were on formula at this age and much better sleepers (DS1 sleeping through by 5m and DS2 just waking for a 2am feed at this age) . I'm just finding it hard at the moment because it is only me who can do the night shift with her, and I'd just love some longer blocks of sleep, like 3-4hours!

Thanks

#2 mandala

Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:09 AM

It definitely sounds within the range of normal, but also like a lot of hard work!

DS was a pretty decent sleeper at that age, but he would still need resettling after 45 mins or so, had a 10pm ish feed and was much more unsettled in the second half of the night. At that stage we would have 3 night feeds.  

For us, all of a sudden, he stopped waking for feeds. He'd still wake, but wouldn't cry, so I'd leave him. We also introduced a comfort toy, and I could see him on the monitor cuddling his teddy. Of course, it's against the SIDS recommendations, but we decided to try it anyway.

It sounds like you're moving in the right direction with reducing the patting. Is there anyone who could help with the settling for a few nights? Maybe over the holiday break? Maybe having someone other than mummy come in would make cuddling less appealing.

I guess it really comes down to what you are willing to try to change things. If it were me, I would try a week of comfort settling for all but two feeds, but I know not everyone is comfortable with that.

#3 Guest_divineM_*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:48 AM

My DD was similar, maybe marginally better at that age and lots of babies in the mothers group were too. basically she was fed back to sleep 2x per night and patted back to sleep every other wake up and then coming to our bed at 5am. Finally by the time she was 8 months we could take it no more and called in help. we weren't comfortable with too much crying so we decided to do the following:  stopped patting to sleep, would only pat until crying stopped then leave, wait 2 minutes and repeat, drop the first feed for 2 nights then dropped the second. So she was never "put to sleep" again through feeding or patting, she was only calmed. this worked wonders. She went from multiple wake ups to sleeping through the night. if you think you want to try this let me know and i can tell you more.

#4 axiomae

Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:56 PM

This pattern won't change until you take active steps to change it, as PPs have said. Your little one needs to learn to self settle and not rely on feeding or patting as a sleep association. How you do that is up to you - there are gentle techniques (which still involve crying, just warning you!) or the more traditional controlled comforting/crying approach. Just be consistent with whatever you choose to do.

#5 smum

Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:09 AM

That is absolutely normal for a baby to me waking that often. Just about all of them do, its why people say their baby is  a'bad' sleeper, its normal in the world of babies to wake every sleep cycle for connection & nourishment , its just not compatible for all parents is all original.gif

There are many parents who continue to night parent after 6mths. Studies have been conducted to show that night parenting/ breastfeeding has health benefits & it has also have been attributed to lessening SIDS due to the safety or the arousal patterns. This is one reason why many parents dont feel comfortable with sleep training.

Have you looked into sleep cycle transition? That first waking 45minutes later seems very much like her waking at the end of her sleep cycle.

Id look to not put her down so early, she is having a 45min 'nap' & then youre asking her to go down again for the night. Id look to keep her up until the 9-10pm & ten settle her down for the night. Id hazard a guess you will likely get a solid 5hours (which is considered sleeping through the night at that age).

Have you considered bringing her into your bed when she wakes or putting her cot close to your bed so she has the security of you being there? You could also pull her cot right up to your side of the bed with the side on or off & be able to pat her through the night if bed sharing isnt your thing.

You might find the book 'No Cry Sleep Solutions' by Elizabeth Pantley helpful, or even "Sleeping like a baby' by Pink McKay

Here is a great link on infant sleep http://www.isisonline.org.uk/


#6 Feral-as-Meggs

Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:59 AM

I really don't like the implication that if you don't want to (can't cope with) getting woken up every 45 minutes all night you aren't "night parenting" and you just have to suck it up.   The baby is not the only person in the equation here, it's important that the parents get enough sleep to maintain their mental and physical health and be good "daytime" parents as well.  

OP It's the yucky end of normal.  My son had that pattern and I really couldn't do much until I stopped the night feeds altogether, and 7 mo is too young for that IMO.   Cosleeping did nothing for us as he just wanted to play, doze and snack all night and then make it up with long naps in the day.

You need to find a way to get at least one block of sleep.

I think if you drop the late catnap altogether and make sure she's awake by 330pm or so, you might be able to get rid of the first 45 minute wake-up and possibly the 9-10pm one as well.  It would also be worth getting your partner (or someone else you trust) to resettle by patting/shhing for the 9-10pm one.   If she's had all her meals, a good dinner and drink, and a BF at 630 it's very unlikely she's actually hungry.

If you go down that path its important not to give in and do a feed at this time - which is a lot easier if the person doing the settling doesn't have the milk supply.  She will still be pretty tired at that time - she will go back to sleep in the end, and it should get easier every night.  You should see some changes in a week or so.

That might be enough to convince her it's not worth waking up but at the very least, if you get to sleep as soon as you can (like 8pm) then you'll get a block of 4-5 hours in the bank.  The next feed (say 12-1) should then be a really good one and she might drop off more easily afterwards and you'll get another good block until 4ish.

That might be enough to get you through until she works it out on her own or you decide it's time to drop the night feeds.  

OP I'd also set the wheels in motion to get a referral to sleep school from your GP or MCHN, as there is usually a waiting list of a few months. You can always cancel/defer if you don't need it but I found it helpful to have that option available as a last resort, particularly if you feel things are getting worse and you are getting overwhelmed.  

Whatever you do don't make bedtime later, if anything, bring it earlier to 630-645 if necessary.  




#7 Phoenix Blue

Posted 25 December 2012 - 08:55 AM

Just a Christmas Day update.

DD gave me a whole nights sleep last night biggrin.gif

I had a sleep consultant visit last Thursday. We began gently removing all the sleep props she had, and teaching her to fall asleep on her own. We began a slightly more structured routine which included a late catnap (3rd sleep).

Last night she went down at 8pm, I did a dreamfeed at 11pm, then she woke me at 5am for her first feed! Best night sleep in 7 months! Merry Christmas!!

#8 Guest_divineM_*

Posted 25 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

Yay! Merry Xmas to you all. Hope it continues- im sure it will.

#9 axiomae

Posted 25 December 2012 - 08:01 PM

Wonderful! Merry Christmas - what a great pressie: sleep original.gif



Reply to this topic



  


1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Special offer: The Baby & Toddler Show 2014

At The Baby & Toddler Show, you?ll find everything you need to get ready for your new arrival and guide you through the early weeks and years of parenting.

An open letter to Tony Abbott: please salvage our super

We face financial ruin, but most of us don?t realise it. If we don?t act together to salvage our superannuation, I have no doubt the new GFC will be the Girls? Financial Crisis.

'I'm happy to know I'm changing lives': surrogate mum of two

I know that once the baby is born, I will focus on the gift I have given, and watch the parents with their new child. I can't wait for that day.

Birth trauma and the issue of informed consent

There is a perception that women should just be happy they have a healthy baby in their arms. But for women who experienced birth trauma, there's a lot more to it.

Tips for managing pollen allergies and hayfever

They're simple tips, but they can have a big impact on those who suffer from hayfever and pollen allergies.

Ada Nicodemou shares tribute to her stillborn baby

Just over one month since Ada Nicodemou and her husband lost their second son, the Home and Away star has shared a touching poem for her baby.

Mum causes stir breastfeeding on train

?To the woman breastfeeding her kid on the train. Seriously! On the train?" began the letter of complaint.

10 things they don?t tell you about being pregnant

As I slowly waddle my ever-changing pregnant body towards the finishing line of my due date, it?s becoming increasingly clear there are a lot of things they just don?t tell you about pregnancy.

Overcoming a fear of the dark

A toddler's fear of the dark is very normal, but there are ways parents can help children through this stage in their development.

Kids, TV and movies: how young is too young?

It seems you don't have to throw the TV and iPad out the window - it all boils down to moderation, supervision and interaction.

Video: Baby's first birthday is a special day for mum, too

?A baby?s first birthday is also mum?s first birthday.?

The day Supernanny came to tea

Prince William's favourite celebrity child trainer Jo Frost puts Bryony Gordon and her toddler through their paces.

Tales from the homefront

When you're at work you sort of assume that your house is basically just sitting there quietly doing nothing until you return. However, since spending my days at home, I've learned this couldn't be further from the truth.

The words I hated hearing as new mum

It was less than a week after my son was born that I first heard it - from my mother.

To the pharmacist who sold me baby formula

On the rare occasion I catch sight of you at school, or around town, I think back to our earliest exchange. I?m sure you have no recollection of it at all.

Babies may benefit from autism therapy

Children showing signs of autism don't usually receive early intervention until well into toddlerhood or later, but a new study suggests infants with symptoms of the developmental disorder might benefit from therapy from as early as six months.

Knatalye and Adeline born with an everlasting bond

Knatalye Hope and Adeline Faith are a lot like any other identical twin girls, but there is one dramatic difference: they're joined at the chest and shares several internal organs.

The question this dad wishes he'd asked his wife

I should have seen that my wife wasn't the same person I'd fallen in love with, but we were both too focused on simply trying to get by.

Why we should talk about the deaths of the Hunt children

The deaths are too horrible even to think about. Yet we owe it to the children - Fletcher, Mia and Phoebe Hunt - to think long and hard about it all.

Baby dies of meningococcal weeks after vaccine application denied

A six-month-old girl has died from meningococcal disease just weeks after an application for government funding of a vaccine for the most deadly strain of the virus was rejected.

Finding the right balance when playing with your kids

Being too involved in our children?s play and not allowing our kids enough free time for unstructured activities can mean our kids miss out on the value that play offers.

Creative DIY light shades

The Pop Light light shade comes in a flat pack already made - it's up to you to design it as you'd like.

The battle of iParenting versus imagination

Have we forgotten how to be imaginative, resourceful parents?

Why movement is so important for your baby's growth

Letting your child move as much as possible in the early years ? using all senses, engaging in the real world, preferably outside ? will help them grow up healthier, smarter, calmer and stronger.

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Special offer: The Baby & Toddler Show 2014

At The Baby & Toddler Show, you?ll find everything you need to get ready for your new arrival and guide you through the early weeks and years of parenting.

Losing yourself to motherhood

While watching your baby grow into a unique little person is exciting and wondrous, the intensity of meeting everyone else?s needs can ever so sneakily overtake your own needs for self-care.

Tearing during delivery: the facts

Almost all women will experience bruising, grazing or tearing after a vaginal birth. Depending on the degree of tearing, there are various treatments available.

6 tips for a day out with a baby and toddler

Outings can be lots of fun with the kids, but there are inevitable challenges. Here's some information about days out to help you be a little more prepared.

Why I invited a dozen people to watch my son's birth

I sent invitations on burgundy scrapbooking paper stamped with a field of poppies, and told each person why I wanted him or her there. I warned that there would be nudity.

Getting labour started: tips for a natural induction

When your baby?s due date comes and goes without so much as a pop - let alone a bang - it can be disheartening. Mums and a doula share their stories of natural inductions.

7 mistakes old hands make with new babies

As I sat across the table from my friend ? me, a seasoned mother of three; her, a brand new mum ? I thought of all the mistakes an old-hand parent can make when visiting a newborn baby.

That's my boy: a dad's diary of the first 4 months

Unbearable anxiety, unspeakable joy, constant exhaustion and bouts of frustration ... The many shocks of first-time fatherhood resound in a dad's diary of his son's early months.

One of the most important things a new mum can do

Finances may not be as cute as a newborn, but with many women?s working arrangements changing post-baby, monetary matters need attention too.

6 things I didn't expect as a parent

From weird smells to dangerous opinions, painful body parts to numbness, here are a few things new mums and dads can expect.

Personalised baby gifts

We've scoured the internet to find gorgeous personalised keepsakes and nursery decor to record baby name and dates. They make great gifts for christenings, name days and birthdays! (All prices in AU.)

 

Reader offer

2 FOR 1 TICKET OFFER

For Shopping, For Advice, For Baby & You. Enjoy a special day out with fabulous shopping from over 200 brands, leading parenting experts offering advice on a range of topics, and amazing children?s entertainment

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.