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#1 Phoenix Blue

Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:53 AM

Just wondering if my 7m sleep pattern at night is still considered normal? She seems to sleep ok in the first part of the night but then it deteriorates as the night goes on.

She goes down in her cot around 7, put down awake and patted on bum until dozy or asleep.

Sometimes wakes after 45 mins needing resettling.

Wakes 9-10pm for breastfeed, easily straight back down.

Then wakes 12-1am where I try to resettle but usually end up feeding again.  She's not hungry at this feed but seems to want the comfort.

Then she wakes every hour to hour and a half for either resettle or feed.

I usually end up co-sleeping at this end of the night as I'm so tired.

More often than not, she's wide awake for 1-2 hours in this block, alternating between cooing and crying. She doesnt seem happy no matter what i do, wont feed to sleep, wont be patted, just wants to be awake and in my arms i guess. DH sometimes tries to settle her, but usually this just makes her hysterical.

She's on 3 solid meals a day, and a pretty good eater if she likes the type of food. Breastfed about 5 times during the day, and lots during the night!
Day sleeps are pretty good with 2x 90min naps most days, and sometimes a 3rd catnap.
I settle her in the cot, working towards self settling.

So is this standard 7 month behavior? My previous boys were on formula at this age and much better sleepers (DS1 sleeping through by 5m and DS2 just waking for a 2am feed at this age) . I'm just finding it hard at the moment because it is only me who can do the night shift with her, and I'd just love some longer blocks of sleep, like 3-4hours!

Thanks

#2 mandala

Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:09 AM

It definitely sounds within the range of normal, but also like a lot of hard work!

DS was a pretty decent sleeper at that age, but he would still need resettling after 45 mins or so, had a 10pm ish feed and was much more unsettled in the second half of the night. At that stage we would have 3 night feeds.  

For us, all of a sudden, he stopped waking for feeds. He'd still wake, but wouldn't cry, so I'd leave him. We also introduced a comfort toy, and I could see him on the monitor cuddling his teddy. Of course, it's against the SIDS recommendations, but we decided to try it anyway.

It sounds like you're moving in the right direction with reducing the patting. Is there anyone who could help with the settling for a few nights? Maybe over the holiday break? Maybe having someone other than mummy come in would make cuddling less appealing.

I guess it really comes down to what you are willing to try to change things. If it were me, I would try a week of comfort settling for all but two feeds, but I know not everyone is comfortable with that.

#3 Guest_divineM_*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:48 AM

My DD was similar, maybe marginally better at that age and lots of babies in the mothers group were too. basically she was fed back to sleep 2x per night and patted back to sleep every other wake up and then coming to our bed at 5am. Finally by the time she was 8 months we could take it no more and called in help. we weren't comfortable with too much crying so we decided to do the following:  stopped patting to sleep, would only pat until crying stopped then leave, wait 2 minutes and repeat, drop the first feed for 2 nights then dropped the second. So she was never "put to sleep" again through feeding or patting, she was only calmed. this worked wonders. She went from multiple wake ups to sleeping through the night. if you think you want to try this let me know and i can tell you more.

#4 axiomae

Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:56 PM

This pattern won't change until you take active steps to change it, as PPs have said. Your little one needs to learn to self settle and not rely on feeding or patting as a sleep association. How you do that is up to you - there are gentle techniques (which still involve crying, just warning you!) or the more traditional controlled comforting/crying approach. Just be consistent with whatever you choose to do.

#5 smum

Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:09 AM

That is absolutely normal for a baby to me waking that often. Just about all of them do, its why people say their baby is  a'bad' sleeper, its normal in the world of babies to wake every sleep cycle for connection & nourishment , its just not compatible for all parents is all original.gif

There are many parents who continue to night parent after 6mths. Studies have been conducted to show that night parenting/ breastfeeding has health benefits & it has also have been attributed to lessening SIDS due to the safety or the arousal patterns. This is one reason why many parents dont feel comfortable with sleep training.

Have you looked into sleep cycle transition? That first waking 45minutes later seems very much like her waking at the end of her sleep cycle.

Id look to not put her down so early, she is having a 45min 'nap' & then youre asking her to go down again for the night. Id look to keep her up until the 9-10pm & ten settle her down for the night. Id hazard a guess you will likely get a solid 5hours (which is considered sleeping through the night at that age).

Have you considered bringing her into your bed when she wakes or putting her cot close to your bed so she has the security of you being there? You could also pull her cot right up to your side of the bed with the side on or off & be able to pat her through the night if bed sharing isnt your thing.

You might find the book 'No Cry Sleep Solutions' by Elizabeth Pantley helpful, or even "Sleeping like a baby' by Pink McKay

Here is a great link on infant sleep http://www.isisonline.org.uk/


#6 Feral-as-Meggs

Posted 16 December 2012 - 08:59 AM

I really don't like the implication that if you don't want to (can't cope with) getting woken up every 45 minutes all night you aren't "night parenting" and you just have to suck it up.   The baby is not the only person in the equation here, it's important that the parents get enough sleep to maintain their mental and physical health and be good "daytime" parents as well.  

OP It's the yucky end of normal.  My son had that pattern and I really couldn't do much until I stopped the night feeds altogether, and 7 mo is too young for that IMO.   Cosleeping did nothing for us as he just wanted to play, doze and snack all night and then make it up with long naps in the day.

You need to find a way to get at least one block of sleep.

I think if you drop the late catnap altogether and make sure she's awake by 330pm or so, you might be able to get rid of the first 45 minute wake-up and possibly the 9-10pm one as well.  It would also be worth getting your partner (or someone else you trust) to resettle by patting/shhing for the 9-10pm one.   If she's had all her meals, a good dinner and drink, and a BF at 630 it's very unlikely she's actually hungry.

If you go down that path its important not to give in and do a feed at this time - which is a lot easier if the person doing the settling doesn't have the milk supply.  She will still be pretty tired at that time - she will go back to sleep in the end, and it should get easier every night.  You should see some changes in a week or so.

That might be enough to convince her it's not worth waking up but at the very least, if you get to sleep as soon as you can (like 8pm) then you'll get a block of 4-5 hours in the bank.  The next feed (say 12-1) should then be a really good one and she might drop off more easily afterwards and you'll get another good block until 4ish.

That might be enough to get you through until she works it out on her own or you decide it's time to drop the night feeds.  

OP I'd also set the wheels in motion to get a referral to sleep school from your GP or MCHN, as there is usually a waiting list of a few months. You can always cancel/defer if you don't need it but I found it helpful to have that option available as a last resort, particularly if you feel things are getting worse and you are getting overwhelmed.  

Whatever you do don't make bedtime later, if anything, bring it earlier to 630-645 if necessary.  




#7 Phoenix Blue

Posted 25 December 2012 - 08:55 AM

Just a Christmas Day update.

DD gave me a whole nights sleep last night biggrin.gif

I had a sleep consultant visit last Thursday. We began gently removing all the sleep props she had, and teaching her to fall asleep on her own. We began a slightly more structured routine which included a late catnap (3rd sleep).

Last night she went down at 8pm, I did a dreamfeed at 11pm, then she woke me at 5am for her first feed! Best night sleep in 7 months! Merry Christmas!!

#8 Guest_divineM_*

Posted 25 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

Yay! Merry Xmas to you all. Hope it continues- im sure it will.

#9 axiomae

Posted 25 December 2012 - 08:01 PM

Wonderful! Merry Christmas - what a great pressie: sleep original.gif



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