Jump to content

Builder hit a pipe
Who has to pay?


  • Please log in to reply
15 replies to this topic

#1 Romeo Void

Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:36 PM

Our builder dug footings today for our deck.  I was watching out the window with my children, like you do, when I saw the digger bring up a load of dirt with shards of clay pipe.  They stopped and had a quick look then kept going.  I decided to head down and ask what was going on (the main guy wasn't there, his sidekicks were) and they told me it was fine, an old pipe, nothing to worry about.  So I didn't.

Luckily it rained a little this afternoon so when I popped down with my children to have a look, I saw water pooled at the bottom of the hole.  Not all the holes, just the one with the pipe.  So I got suspicious and did a little test, I ran the tap for our laundry tub and sure enough the water started to swirl in the hole.  I've let him know and he's coming tomorrow to have a look.  

Is this something that he now has to suck up and fix because he broke it?  Or am I going to get stuck with paying for this?  I fear it's going to cost a bit as the pipe is well over 1m down and they're going to have to break up our concrete driveway to get at it sad.gif

#2 liveworkplay

Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:55 PM

Their problem entirely.

#3 TheWanderer

Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:17 PM

If I were you I would quickly work out which pipe he hit. It could get messy real quick if it is a sewer line that is used by more than one property.

Go here http://1100.com.au

Set up an account and search for your property. You will get emails from utility providers with underground assets running through your property.  It shouldn't be too hard to work out which pipe was hit.  Print the map and show your contractor.



#4 Romeo Void

Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

Ok I've had a look at our plans and it looks like it's a combo drain with next door!  We're uphill so I don't know if they will be affected.  And I don't know if it's sewage or just storm water, I'm waiting for the water to drain out so I can flush and test.

No one is allowed to poo for now!

#5 TheWanderer

Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:33 PM

Count yourself lucky... We have a sewer main that services half our suburb running through our b├íck yard.  If anyone hit that that we would really know it.

If its a small drin pipe, a plumber should be able to fix it easily enough... They should pay though.

Edited by TheWanderer, 11 December 2012 - 06:34 PM.


#6 Romeo Void

Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

I've checked and it's definitely a sewer.  

No one allowed to poo in our house tonight!  Lucky my sister lives next door  biggrin.gif

I don't think it's going to be easy TheWanderer, it's about 1.5m down and they've opened a 50cm hole in our concrete driveway to dig.  I can't see how they can get down to the pipe without tearing up a big chunk of our driveway.

Oh well, it could have been much worse. They were due to pour the concrete footing tomorrow.  Imagine if they'd poured all that concrete THEN we worked out the sewer was blocked?!?

#7 Chubbles

Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:30 PM

I wouldn't be so sure they have to pay. Depends on what the terms and conditions are. A different scenario but when we had a tree stump removed we were aware of a pipe under the ground and it was in their terms and conditions that if they were to hit such pipes it is my responsibility not theirs.

#8 MGB

Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:09 PM

How did you go with the builder OP?




#9 Romeo Void

Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:36 PM

He came around this morning with a plumber and they discussed it at length.  It appears the builder is going to fix it himself (under guidance from the plumber) tomorrow.  Apparently because the footing for the deck is positioned directly over the pipe he has to do some load shifting business around the pipe.

Not sure what to make of it all.

#10 FionaM

Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:42 PM

OP i would be interested to hear how you went.

we are having our bathroom renovated at the moment and i notice a hole in our hallway that wasnt there yesterday !!



#11 robot sm

Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:49 PM

I used to work for a company that installed rainwater tanks, if any of our plumbers hit a pipe (it happened a lot actually!) we paid for it.  It's the tradesmens responsibility to check on pipe locations etc, not your responsibility to go and mark out on your property where any pipes run!

#12 Romeo Void

Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:05 PM

How do you get a hole in the hallway?  So strange.

I don't have a problem with the builder digging it out and cutting away the pipe, I think I'm going to insist he gets the 'real' plumber back to do the connecting part.  I mean, if it's going to be under 1.5m of concrete AND have our deck supported over it I want it done well with no worry of it having problems in the future.

#13 *LucyE*

Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:49 AM

QUOTE
Apparently because the footing for the deck is positioned directly over the pipe he has to do some load shifting business around the pipe.

Who did the plans and approvals for your deck?  In our LGA, we would not have been approved to have footings over a sewerage line.

#14 Romeo Void

Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:21 PM

*LucyE* it was done by an accredited Brisbane City Council approver. When I talked to my builder he said that old drawings (like ours) often aren't to scale because they're hand done and you'd only be guessing at the location of the pipe.  But it really does seem no one was expecting the pipes to be there, not the approver, not the bloke digging and not our builder.

He came around and fixed the pipe.  I asked he didn't fill the hole for a few days so I could monitor it to make 1000% sure it didn't leak.

I think I've made him paranoid as he's come up with a different solution to putting the post on top of the sewer.  He's going to reinforce the beam and forgo the central post (that rests on the pipe).  So our entire 5mx6m deck will be supported by 2 posts (and attached to the house) and some industrial strength beams.  

The draftsperson is on holidays so his plan is to over engineer the beam requirements and get approval afterwards.  I haven't talked to him for 2 days but I plan on telling him that it's on his head if the draftsperson doesn't approve what he does.

This whole thing feels like it's ever so slightly out of control.

#15 *LucyE*

Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:10 AM

Oh!  You poor thing!  You have my sympathies.  

I hate renovating/extending.  I hate the red tape.  I hate dealing with some tradies.  I don't speak 'builder' and they obviously can't understand me so I now only use 'interpreters' or else I'd bloody strangle them.

We have been landscaping and needed to change our septic output areas.  We apply to Council to get their certified copy of the existing plans to include with our application to amend.  Only to find that they sent me an old plan that was 2 stages out of date.  I then went through my files to find the copies of our amended (and approved!) plans so that they could update their files before we could apply to amend.

Bah!  Sorry to take over and start venting.  I call this our never ending reno.  It feels like we will never be finished (and not from a lack of desire from our part).

#16 Romeo Void

Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:50 PM

No LucyE you go right ahead, you've given me food for thought.  I did some searching last night after your post querying building over a sewer pipe and I've got a slightly sick feeling that we may not have got all the approval necessary.  But I've followed the instructions from the engineer/builder/BBC accredited approver to the letter so I hope I'm worried about nothing.  I don't know what else I could have done?

I'm going to call him tomorrow and ask he doesn't go ahead without getting the all clear form the engineer.  If it delays the project by 2-3 weeks so be it.  Either that or put in an extra post (one each side of the sewer) rather than remove a post.  I'd feel more comfortable with that option.




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Britain's youngest parents: mother 12, father 13

A 12-year-old schoolgirl and her 13-year-old boyfriend are believed to have become Britain?s youngest parents, after the birth of their baby girl earlier this week.

When Prince George met Bilby George

Prince George has met an Aussie marsupial named after him in his first official engagement in Australia.

Asphyxia link another piece of the SIDS puzzle

An Australian study has uncovered information which could lead to a better understanding of why babies die from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.

Pregnant woman dies after doctor removes ovary instead of appendix

When a UK woman went to hospital suffering appendicitis, doctors mistakenly removed her healthy ovary - with tragic consequences.

The milestones I can't wait to celebrate

Nothing can beat the feeling of witnessing that first smile, first step and first word - but here's a list of 'firsts' I'm really looking forward to now.

How you develop in your baby's first year

Just as babies undergo rapid growth as they learn and change in their first year, we?re learning and changing quickly as parents, too. Don?t underestimate the developmental stages you go through when you have a baby.

Can you make your baby smarter even before birth?

A product new to Australia claims to help babies be born "as intelligent as possible", but not all experts agree on the benefits of educating babies while still in the womb.

How a mother's love helped unearth the skills of an autistic savant

Autistic savant Ping Lian Yeak, a prodigious artist who has had his work shown all over the world, couldn't have done it without the support and love of his proud mum.

Rescue dog Zoey and BFF Jasper star in adorable pics

Photographer, self-professed "crazy dog lady" and mum Grace Chon takes photos of rescue dog Zoey and her 10-month-old son Jasper together. The results are just too cute. See more on Instagram @thegracechon.

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

A tiny heart: a baby?s death gives life to another

Simon Alexander Garcia lived only one brief hour. But somewhere, a little girl?s heart is beating today because of him.

Ear piercing: what age is best?

What is it that shapes our opinions on what?s an 'appropriate' age for our children to get their ears pierced? Parents share their views on how young is too young when it comes to piercing.

Why is childbirth still such a pain?

The options given to women to help them cope in labour have barely changed in years.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Ideas for recording baby milestones

Get the props, lights and camera ready to record the milestone moments in your baby's first months and years. Tip: set a reminder in your phone (or jot it in a calendar) to make sure you remember it every month.

From penis amputation to fatherhood

After a botched circumcision as a child, Mike Moore was left without a penis. Years later, and after meeting the right surgeon, he was able to become a dad - naturally.

Asphyxia link another piece of the SIDS puzzle

An Australian study has uncovered information which could lead to a better understanding of why babies die from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.

Your baby's first shoes, made with your own hands

Imagine someone saying to you, "Your baby?s shoes are magnificent, where?d you get them?" And you reply, "Oh, these? I made them."

Mother bites off pit bull's ear to save toddler

What would you do if your child was being attacked by a vicious dog? One mother recently had to learn the hard way.

Couple dies 15 hours apart after 70 years of marriage

A couple who held hands at breakfast every morning even after 70 years of marriage have died 15 hours apart.

Behind the scenes of Kate and George's cuddly photo

Every face is partially obscured, but there's no denying the happiness and love in the faces of the royal mum and bub.

7 tips for a kid-free trip, not a guilt trip

Although I?m jumping out of my skin to take my child-free holiday, I?m dreading the goodbye. But I?m determined to make the most of it without tarnishing it with guilt or sadness about leaving the kids.

Your baby?s developmental roadmap

Caring for your new baby can feel like driving along a dark highway without a GPS: you know your destination ? a happy, healthy human being ? but you?re not sure whether you?re heading in the right direction.

Breaking out of the isolation of motherhood

There can be many reasons for mummy isolation ? and you don?t have to be a new mother to feel like you're often doing it all alone. Here, mums share their stories of feeling isolated, and what they do to try to break out of it.

The billionaire baby with $10,000 worth of prams

When money is no object you can go all out when it comes to baby transportation, as this billionaire socialite has shown.

Medication helps depressed mums to breastfeed

Breastfeeding mums are often told their medication may pass into their milk, but a new study suggests the benefits of taking antidepressants are greater than any risks to baby.

 

Free Printable Activities

Keeping little hands busy

Free printable acitivity pages like colouring in, cutting, word finders, mazes, maths activities and puzzles.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.