Jump to content

Older kids (7+) and boosters


  • Please log in to reply
21 replies to this topic

#1 pters

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:32 AM

My kids are now 7 and 9. I think I always assumed they'd be out of their boosters by this age, but suddenly I noticed how old they'd got and we've still got boosters in the car.

But hey've started to refuse to sit in them (Mixirider and Ezi Up using the sash belt), with my 9 year old son sitting in the front seat on the way to school, and my 7 year old daughter sitting in between the boosters in the back. For some reason they consent to use them on long trips.

I think my son is getting too wide in the shoulders to be comfortable in his, and my daughter has always struggled to get the sash belt clipped in because she has to reach so far down, and the clip is partly under the edge of the booster.

The Vicroads website says they should keep using boosters till they're 145cm tall, because their legs aren't long enough to reach the edge of the seat properly, causing them to slump, which means their hips aren't held by the lap part of the belt properly.

I thought the next step would be to get one of the simple ones that have no back on them, but my wife says you can't get them anymore. True? If so, why, and what else can we try?

#2 IsolaBella

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:39 AM

Half boosters have been written out if the Australian standard as there is no longer an exemption for the seats not to have to pass side impact tests.

Try an SnS HLiner.

I would not be allowing my 9 yo to sit in the front seat if there are seats in the back.

My kids will be in boosters until they can pass the five step test for each car they travel in.

http://childrestraints.co.nz/seatbelts.php


The 5 step test will tell if your child is big enough for the adult belt.
1. Does the child sit all the way back against the auto seat?

2. Do the child's knees bend comfortably at the edge of the auto seat?

3. Does the belt cross the shoulder between the neck and arm?

4. Is the lap belt as low as possible, touching the thighs?

5. Can the child stay seated like this for the whole trip?
If you answered "no" to any of these questions, your child needs a booster seat to make both the shoulder belt and the lap belt fit right for the best crash protection.Your child will be more comfortable, too!
5 Step Test


#3 His Boy Elroy

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:43 AM

Hmmm, I thought I saw some of those seat only boosters at Target or Big W a couple of months ago........

I agree 100% with the PPer.

#4 dae-gu

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:52 AM

QUOTE (His Boy Elroy @ 09/12/2012, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm, I thought I saw some of those seat only boosters at Target or Big W a couple of months ago........

I think there are some still available.....just old stock, but once they are gone, that will be it, and you won't be able to buy them new anymore.

#5 IsolaBella

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:52 AM

You may still find a half booster around, but yes they are becoming rarer.



#6 2bundles

Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:01 AM

My kids are 8&10. The 8yr old is still in a booster, the 10yr old has been without it for around 18mths.

Neither are ever allowed to sit in the front seat.

Yes my 8yr old sometimes talks about some of her friends that don't have boosters and asks when she can come out, but I tell her I am trying to keep her safe and I don't care what others do. She is only 120cm and IMO way too small to be without a booster.

I guess what I am saying is, it is a parent decision not the child's. perhaps let your older one sit in the back without a booster and tell the 7 yr old they can come out when they are 9. Then be tough.

#7 liveworkplay

Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:05 AM

QUOTE
The Vicroads website says they should keep using boosters till they're 145cm tall, because their legs aren't long enough to reach the edge of the seat properly, causing them to slump, which means their hips aren't held by the lap part of the belt properly.


My nearly 9 year old is 140cm and can sit comfortably without a booster now in the correct position. We have a half booster that we use if my nearly 7 year old goes into someone elses car in which doesn't have a booster.  My nearly 9 year old occasionally sits in the front, mostly when there is no room left in the back.

As to whether they stay in boosters. We have told ours they have to be 140cm to come out of one. DH promised DD1 she could come out of hers after her 8th birthday much to my annoyance, so she was 138cm.

#8 pters

Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE (lsolaBella @ 09/12/2012, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My kids will be in boosters until they can pass the five step test for each car they travel in.

http://childrestraints.co.nz/seatbelts.php

Thanks for that, I'll try to comply, but that site illustrates the problem for this age group perfectly. Look at the links at the bottom of the page. Where's the link for 8+?

The "Types of car seats" link lists:
    
  • Infant seats - For babies under 12 months
  • Toddler seats - For children 1-4 years of age
  • Booster seats - For children 4-8 years of age
  • Child harness - For children over 4 years of age
  • Seat belt - For children over 8-12 years of age
So the 7 year old has to stay in her booster, but the 9 year old is in limbo when it comes to finding a booster that fits him properly.

I'm also confused by the phasing out of the "booster cushions". Yes, they don't have side protection, but they'll let the child pass the five tests, won't they?

I'd much rather have the side protection too, but how?

All the ads I've seen for boosters of any kind list the recommended ages as 4-8. Are we waiting for the manufacturers to catch up with the new regulations?






#9 pters

Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:25 PM

QUOTE (His Boy Elroy @ 09/12/2012, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm, I thought I saw some of those seat only boosters at Target or Big W a couple of months ago........

I agree 100% with the PPer.

What does PPer mean, please?

#10 lucky 2

Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:31 PM

pp'er would mean the pp, ie the person who wrote the previous post(er) (ie pp). But, pp could mean the person who wrote the post directly above or earlier in the thread.
Confusing huh? biggrin.gif

#11 IsolaBella

Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:45 PM

The car seats say 8yrs as that is what the Australian Standard requires. It is a Guide only based on the minimum height requirement for passing as a booster seat to fit a child up to 128cm in height. Not all booster seats are the same any many will keep a child for much longer then this minimum.

At a short 150cm I can fit in my eldest child's booster.

#12 *Caro*

Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:04 PM

I am pretty anal about car safety.  I will now let my 137cm 8yo go in the car without a booster, but that is because I am comfortable she meets the 5 step test (as posted by IsolaBella).   She has been in the front seat once, and that was only because all the other seats were full and it was only 1km up a suburban street.  I don't like kids in the front seat till they are older.  

My 6yo is short and will be in her booster well past her 8th birthday I imagine.  

In your circumstances, I would check your 9yo against the  step test and see if they can go without the booster.  Doing it together, and talking about proper use of the seat belt, means they understand the logic and can be responsible for putting the seatbelt on and sitting properly.  Start them young on car safety and will become second nature to them!  For the 7yo, talk to them about why the booster is important, about the fact that attitudes and laws are changing to keep kids safe and all 7yo's are expected to be in boosters -  and then don't take any crap about it!   biggrin.gif

#13 baddmammajamma

Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

QUOTE (lsolaBella @ 09/12/2012, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Half boosters have been written out if the Australian standard as there is no longer an exemption for the seats not to have to pass side impact tests.

Try an SnS HLiner.

I would not be allowing my 9 yo to sit in the front seat if there are seats in the back.

My kids will be in boosters until they can pass the five step test for each car they travel in.

http://childrestraints.co.nz/seatbelts.php


The 5 step test will tell if your child is big enough for the adult belt.
1. Does the child sit all the way back against the auto seat?

2. Do the child's knees bend comfortably at the edge of the auto seat?

3. Does the belt cross the shoulder between the neck and arm?

4. Is the lap belt as low as possible, touching the thighs?

5. Can the child stay seated like this for the whole trip?
If you answered "no" to any of these questions, your child needs a booster seat to make both the shoulder belt and the lap belt fit right for the best crash protection.Your child will be more comfortable, too!
5 Step Test


Thanks for sharing this.

My 7+ year old is still in her SnS Hliner -- from what I can see, she appears to be one of the few of her friends & classmates still in a booster after turning 7.

She's staying in until I am confident she can pass that 5-step test.

#14 Maple Leaf

Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:11 PM

I would not be allowing a child in the front seat if you have front passenger airbags. Just an added thought.


#15 Julie3Girls

Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:25 PM

You really need to do the 5 step test in the car you are planning to use, in the seat they will be sitting in.

We were car shopping earlier in the year, and in the old car, my DD1 age 10.5 was still in a half booster. Part of our car shopping process was checking if a full carseat + booster + half booster could fit across the back. OR if DD1 could pass the 5 step test in the back seat, with enough space for her with 2 other boosters/carseats.

It was amazing the difference between cars. Different depths to the back seat, different points where the seatbelt came across from the back.

We ended up with a car where we could have fitted 3 seats, but it was also a car where DD1 passes the 5 step test in the middle seat. So we decided to go without the booster seat.

Oh, and she is only in the front when we have an extra and all the back seats are full - or if the extra passenger is bigger, they get the front seat.

#16 scarfie

Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:50 PM

DS2 turned 10 today, and he is till in a Babylove Ezy-up Booster and fits it comfortably.  All of his friends are out of their boosters and he is keen to be out of his, but he cannot pass the 5 step test in my car.  However, he can in my DD1's car, so if he goes with her he can sit in the back seat without a booster.  We did get a half booster from KMart a few months ago when DD1 bought her car, but now he doesn't need it.

Be strong and tell your kids that their safety is paramount to you and that is why you insist they remain in their boosters.



#17 pters

Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:24 PM

I checked them both today, and neither have legs long enough to pass the test. I also tried a booster cushion we use in the middle for visitors, and not only do their legs still not reach properly on it, but it seems to slip forward anyway.
I think we'll have to persist with what we have for a while.

Edited by pters, 09 December 2012 - 08:24 PM.


#18 Mumsyto2

Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Julie3Girls @ 09/12/2012, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You really need to do the 5 step test in the car you are planning to use, in the seat they will be sitting in.

It was amazing the difference between cars. Different depths to the back seat, different points where the seatbelt came across from the back.

Absolutely. My eldest (soon to be 9yo) is fine in DH car but is still in a hi-liner in my car as he can't pass the 5 step in mine. Neither do I and I am 152cm. I would happily sit in a booster in my car if I could fit as whether sitting in the back or drivers seat the seatbelt comes across my chin when adjusted to the lowest position.  Love love love my car but it is not meant for short people, not just the seatbelt issue but also the depth of the seats - If I have my bum right back when sitting in the backseat my legs don't bend properly where they should which is really odd so the natural thing is to shuffle your butt forward so your legs bend correctly over the seat, not an issue in the drivers seat as that is designed differently.

#19 cinnabubble

Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

Part of the problem seems to be using ages as guides. I have a 135cm tall six year old, who appears to be as tall as some of the eight year olds in this thread. If she was eight, she wouldn't have a legal requirement to be in a booster, yet she's clearly too small to sit in a car seat alone.

It would be nice if the guidelines used height, rather than age, as their key indicator.

#20 liveworkplay

Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:03 PM

QUOTE
It would be nice if the guidelines used height, rather than age, as their key indicator.


Agree 100% Considering back when DD2 was 3 I couldn't buy a 5 pt harness seat for her that she fit height and weight wise her in Australia so she had to go into a booster!  All three of mine have been over the 90th percentile or off the charts which makes it very very difficult to conform to age restrictions. It's much easier now with DD3 #as there are bigger (taller) seats on the market.

Edited by liveworkplay, 09 December 2012 - 09:05 PM.


#21 monkeys mum

Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:16 PM

QUOTE (cinnabubble @ 09/12/2012, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Part of the problem seems to be using ages as guides. I have a 135cm tall six year old, who appears to be as tall as some of the eight year olds in this thread. If she was eight, she wouldn't have a legal requirement to be in a booster, yet she's clearly too small to sit in a car seat alone.

It would be nice if the guidelines used height, rather than age, as their key indicator.


I have the same issue ds1 turned six two weeks ago, he's only two inches shorter then my dd who will be nine in April. Plus he's the sane weight as dd at 30 something kilos. The age guide lines suck fir those kids who are not average size. We were looking at a new seat but his shoulders are just above the shoulder marker on those we tried.

Thanks for posting the five step checklist as I'll check ds tomorrow.

As for airbags how do sure curtain airbags rate?

#22 imamumto3

Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE (baddmammajamma @ 09/12/2012, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for sharing this.

My 7+ year old is still in her SnS Hliner -- from what I can see, she appears to be one of the few of her friends & classmates still in a booster after turning 7.

She's staying in until I am confident she can pass that 5-step test.

most people I know have their 7 yo still in a booster so the safety message must be getting through.  I was annoyed though when my brother posted a pic on fb of my small 7yo nephew throwing away his booster on his 7th birthday.  not as annoyed though as when I went to put my 5 1/2 mo nephew in the car and realised he was ff.  






1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Why Tracey Spicer has given up make-up

"After 30 years on television, I had become what I despised: a painted doll who spent an hour a day and close to $200 a week putting on a mask."

Empowering bikini photo of 46-year-old mum goes viral

When a group of teenagers made rude remarks about her body as she walked past them in a bikini at the local beach, Julie Cross refused to cover up.

Devastated widow discovers she's pregnant the day before husband's funeral

They had been trying to conceive a baby for seven years. Tragically Kristy Kirchner found out she was pregnant the day before her husband Royce's funeral.

Gabriella Goat sues Peppa Pig

Every toddler's favourite television pig is being sued by an Italian woman who shares a name with a Peppa Pig character.

Meet the Mpregs, the male pregnancy enthusiasts

"Men can't have babies - that's something only women can do! But our community is full of like-minded people who wish otherwise."

Your new motherhood survival kit

Forget about the bright, pretty baby things - while you're in survival mode, all you'll need are the essentials.

More than 100,000 cars recalled globally after death of pregnant woman

The announcement of a mass recall comes as Malaysian police investigate the death of pregnant woman in July.

Win a family pass to Disney Live!

We have 4 family passes to give away to see Disney Live! presents Three Classic Fairy Tales, touring Australia this December/January.

I had a 'good baby' but still suffered from postnatal depression

I had a much wanted precious baby girl, a 'good baby' who slept well, self settled and was mostly content. It just seemed implausible to think I could succumb to depression.

There's no need to eclipse a babymoon

As long as pregnant women do their research, travelling during pregnancy can be done safely.

Mum and daughter have babies on same day

"It's not really something you ever want or think could happen. To have my mum going through it with me is probably the most special, amazing thing ever.”

Our baby's reflux caused the longest endurance test of our lives

I'm glad she wasn't my first child, or I would have thought that this was normal.

Win one of 5 Little Tikes Cozy Coupe Sport

Australia?s No 1 selling car is now available in a Sports model and we have 5 to give away to some lucky Essential Baby families.

The podcast that reminds mums they are not alone

A mum's complicated, gruelling labour gave birth to two lovely beings: her daughter and her delightful podcast, The Longest Shortest Time.

Is it too late to change my midwife?

My wife is nine months pregnant and we are planning a home birth - but we've had late problems with our midwife team.

The Very Hungover Caterpillar: a parody many can relate to

A new book released this month will be sure to have parents nodding and giggling in recognition the world over.

Babywearers unite against misinformation

Everyone has heard of people power, but what about passionate babywearing power?

Reliving the birth experience

When people ask about how my labour went, I usually respond: "Good, I think? Four hours long, and yeah it hurt, but I dunno, it's labour, it's giving birth, it's painful... but I guess it was good? As good as good gets?"

Literary baby name inspiration

From Harry Potter to Shakespeare and everything in between, we've scoured the library shelves for literary baby name inspiration.

Preparing your child to attend a sibling's birth

Thinking about having your kids at the birth of your baby? Here are some things to consider.

Counselling helps mum deal with triplets' early birth

When Kimberlee King's waters broke nine weeks before her triplets were due, she went into autopilot as she packed her hospital bag.

The women balancing babies with new businesses

Motherhood teaches us that we can be more tolerant, patient, and loving than we ever thought possible - and can also show us that we're innovative, creative and entrepreneurial, too.

It's true, kids grow up overnight

A dad ponders how his toddler daughter can change so much in just one 24 hour period.

Father sings to dying son days after losing wife

A heartbreaking video shows a new dad singing 'Blackbird' to his dying son just days after losing his wife.

Download now: Essential Kids Activity Finder app

Got bored kids? Quickly find the best activities for kids wherever you are in Australia with the Essential Kids app.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Win one of 5 Little Tikes Cozy Coupe Sport

Australia?s No 1 selling car is now available in a Sports model and we have 5 to give away to some lucky Essential Baby families.

Join PADDINGTON on the red carpet!

To celebrate the release of PADDINGTON, we are giving five lucky winners the chance to win a family pass to the exclusive Australian Premiere in Sydney on December 7!

Knowing you are one of the lucky ones

I am secure, confident and strong, but the responsibility of protecting my children can almost bring me undone.

Why I am so emotional now I have kids?

There are so many ways in which parenthood changes us as women, but one of the most noticeable, for me, has been the changing state of my emotions.

Baby survives despite sharing womb with 'foreign body'

Baby Maia was conceived against the odds, only to find she was sharing a womb with an ominous "foreign body".

Video: Baby shows dog how to jump - or vice versa

They say dog is man's best friend, but this playful pooch seems to have chosen a jumping baby as her number one buddy.

10 ways to soothe a crying baby

New paernts can get frustrated when their newborn gets fussy and can't settle down. When you're feeling overwhelmed, try some of these simple tips to help soothe your baby.

20 baby names that are becoming more popular every year

The data-lovers at nameberry.com have been at it again – this time, they’ve discovered the names that are continually rising up the ranks, ready to take out some top spots in the next few years.

10 great meals to make for new parents

Ideally, you want to give food that isn’t expensive to make, isn't too difficult to create, and freezes well; stews, bakes, soups and pasta sauces are perfect.

'It's not you, it's me': Boston bombing survivor mum to have leg amputated

Rebekah DiMartino is going through a break-up. She even wrote a farewell love letter. But it's not to her husband.

What it's like to go through early menopause

In a cruel twist, Carla had been breastfeeding and perimenopausal at the same time. But she's far from the only one to go through menopause early.

Restaurant served alcohol to two-year-old

Busy restaurants can be forgiven for getting food and drink orders mixed up from time to time, but not when the confusion leads to a two-year-old being served an alcoholic cocktail instead of the child-friendly beverage they ordered.

Julia Morris tells of miscarriage on a flight

Julia Morris has spoken about the devastation of suffering a miscarriage while on an international flight.

Woman's survival after birth 'a story of two miracles'

A US mother is home and tending to her new baby less than a month after surviving without a pulse for 45 minutes.

Eating ice may give mental boost to the iron deficient: study

A new study proposes that, like a strong cup of coffee, ice may give those with insufficient iron a much-needed mental boost.

Tiny lives in caring hands: Thank U NICU Day

Each year in Australia, over 40,000 newborns need the help of a special care nursery or neonatal intensive care unit. One day a year, the staff are honoured by the parents they help through those dark days.

I paid $50,000 to have a girl

This time my husband and I hadn't taken any chances. We had paid $50,000 and travelled 13,000 kilometres to make sure the baby growing inside me was female.

Weird pregnancy products

Some pregnancy products come to market and are just awesome. Others just leave you scratching your head.

Dear firstborn, I'm sorry

Being a first-time mum is tough for so many reasons – particularly because you really have no idea what you're doing.

A trace of sesame could kill my son

Helen Richardson son's had two anaphylactic reactions in a month. It's traumatic for everyone.

When you know before the test says yes

It wasn't a pregnancy test or missed period that told me I was pregnant with my second baby; it was too early for those things. A doner kebab told me I was going to be a mum again.

What not to do when your partner is in labour

Robbie Williams stole the show during his wife Ayda's labour, pretty much demonstrating everything on the "what not to do when your partner is in labour" list.

Best maternity swimwear and beach cover-ups

Thinking about a tropical babymoon but have nothing to wear? Here are some great swimwear and beach cover-up options for mums-to-be.

Mark Latham, you have no idea

Parents who treat their depression are "cowardly", feminists are baby haters with a "psychoneurotic disorder". Really, Mark?

 

How many weeks til Christmas?

On your To-Do list

Get the "Santa" shopping done without the kids in tow.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.