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#1 pters

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:32 AM

My kids are now 7 and 9. I think I always assumed they'd be out of their boosters by this age, but suddenly I noticed how old they'd got and we've still got boosters in the car.

But hey've started to refuse to sit in them (Mixirider and Ezi Up using the sash belt), with my 9 year old son sitting in the front seat on the way to school, and my 7 year old daughter sitting in between the boosters in the back. For some reason they consent to use them on long trips.

I think my son is getting too wide in the shoulders to be comfortable in his, and my daughter has always struggled to get the sash belt clipped in because she has to reach so far down, and the clip is partly under the edge of the booster.

The Vicroads website says they should keep using boosters till they're 145cm tall, because their legs aren't long enough to reach the edge of the seat properly, causing them to slump, which means their hips aren't held by the lap part of the belt properly.

I thought the next step would be to get one of the simple ones that have no back on them, but my wife says you can't get them anymore. True? If so, why, and what else can we try?

#2 VeritasVinum

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:39 AM

Half boosters have been written out if the Australian standard as there is no longer an exemption for the seats not to have to pass side impact tests.

Try an SnS HLiner.

I would not be allowing my 9 yo to sit in the front seat if there are seats in the back.

My kids will be in boosters until they can pass the five step test for each car they travel in.

http://childrestraints.co.nz/seatbelts.php


The 5 step test will tell if your child is big enough for the adult belt.
1. Does the child sit all the way back against the auto seat?

2. Do the child's knees bend comfortably at the edge of the auto seat?

3. Does the belt cross the shoulder between the neck and arm?

4. Is the lap belt as low as possible, touching the thighs?

5. Can the child stay seated like this for the whole trip?
If you answered "no" to any of these questions, your child needs a booster seat to make both the shoulder belt and the lap belt fit right for the best crash protection.Your child will be more comfortable, too!
5 Step Test


#3 His Boy Elroy

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:43 AM

Hmmm, I thought I saw some of those seat only boosters at Target or Big W a couple of months ago........

I agree 100% with the PPer.

#4 dae-gu

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:52 AM

QUOTE (His Boy Elroy @ 09/12/2012, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm, I thought I saw some of those seat only boosters at Target or Big W a couple of months ago........

I think there are some still available.....just old stock, but once they are gone, that will be it, and you won't be able to buy them new anymore.

#5 VeritasVinum

Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:52 AM

You may still find a half booster around, but yes they are becoming rarer.



#6 2bundles

Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:01 AM

My kids are 8&10. The 8yr old is still in a booster, the 10yr old has been without it for around 18mths.

Neither are ever allowed to sit in the front seat.

Yes my 8yr old sometimes talks about some of her friends that don't have boosters and asks when she can come out, but I tell her I am trying to keep her safe and I don't care what others do. She is only 120cm and IMO way too small to be without a booster.

I guess what I am saying is, it is a parent decision not the child's. perhaps let your older one sit in the back without a booster and tell the 7 yr old they can come out when they are 9. Then be tough.

#7 liveworkplay

Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:05 AM

QUOTE
The Vicroads website says they should keep using boosters till they're 145cm tall, because their legs aren't long enough to reach the edge of the seat properly, causing them to slump, which means their hips aren't held by the lap part of the belt properly.


My nearly 9 year old is 140cm and can sit comfortably without a booster now in the correct position. We have a half booster that we use if my nearly 7 year old goes into someone elses car in which doesn't have a booster.  My nearly 9 year old occasionally sits in the front, mostly when there is no room left in the back.

As to whether they stay in boosters. We have told ours they have to be 140cm to come out of one. DH promised DD1 she could come out of hers after her 8th birthday much to my annoyance, so she was 138cm.

#8 pters

Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE (lsolaBella @ 09/12/2012, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My kids will be in boosters until they can pass the five step test for each car they travel in.

http://childrestraints.co.nz/seatbelts.php

Thanks for that, I'll try to comply, but that site illustrates the problem for this age group perfectly. Look at the links at the bottom of the page. Where's the link for 8+?

The "Types of car seats" link lists:
    
  • Infant seats - For babies under 12 months
  • Toddler seats - For children 1-4 years of age
  • Booster seats - For children 4-8 years of age
  • Child harness - For children over 4 years of age
  • Seat belt - For children over 8-12 years of age
So the 7 year old has to stay in her booster, but the 9 year old is in limbo when it comes to finding a booster that fits him properly.

I'm also confused by the phasing out of the "booster cushions". Yes, they don't have side protection, but they'll let the child pass the five tests, won't they?

I'd much rather have the side protection too, but how?

All the ads I've seen for boosters of any kind list the recommended ages as 4-8. Are we waiting for the manufacturers to catch up with the new regulations?






#9 pters

Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:25 PM

QUOTE (His Boy Elroy @ 09/12/2012, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm, I thought I saw some of those seat only boosters at Target or Big W a couple of months ago........

I agree 100% with the PPer.

What does PPer mean, please?

#10 lucky 2

Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:31 PM

pp'er would mean the pp, ie the person who wrote the previous post(er) (ie pp). But, pp could mean the person who wrote the post directly above or earlier in the thread.
Confusing huh? biggrin.gif

#11 VeritasVinum

Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:45 PM

The car seats say 8yrs as that is what the Australian Standard requires. It is a Guide only based on the minimum height requirement for passing as a booster seat to fit a child up to 128cm in height. Not all booster seats are the same any many will keep a child for much longer then this minimum.

At a short 150cm I can fit in my eldest child's booster.

#12 *Caro*

Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:04 PM

I am pretty anal about car safety.  I will now let my 137cm 8yo go in the car without a booster, but that is because I am comfortable she meets the 5 step test (as posted by IsolaBella).   She has been in the front seat once, and that was only because all the other seats were full and it was only 1km up a suburban street.  I don't like kids in the front seat till they are older.  

My 6yo is short and will be in her booster well past her 8th birthday I imagine.  

In your circumstances, I would check your 9yo against the  step test and see if they can go without the booster.  Doing it together, and talking about proper use of the seat belt, means they understand the logic and can be responsible for putting the seatbelt on and sitting properly.  Start them young on car safety and will become second nature to them!  For the 7yo, talk to them about why the booster is important, about the fact that attitudes and laws are changing to keep kids safe and all 7yo's are expected to be in boosters -  and then don't take any crap about it!   biggrin.gif

#13 baddmammajamma

Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

QUOTE (lsolaBella @ 09/12/2012, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Half boosters have been written out if the Australian standard as there is no longer an exemption for the seats not to have to pass side impact tests.

Try an SnS HLiner.

I would not be allowing my 9 yo to sit in the front seat if there are seats in the back.

My kids will be in boosters until they can pass the five step test for each car they travel in.

http://childrestraints.co.nz/seatbelts.php


The 5 step test will tell if your child is big enough for the adult belt.
1. Does the child sit all the way back against the auto seat?

2. Do the child's knees bend comfortably at the edge of the auto seat?

3. Does the belt cross the shoulder between the neck and arm?

4. Is the lap belt as low as possible, touching the thighs?

5. Can the child stay seated like this for the whole trip?
If you answered "no" to any of these questions, your child needs a booster seat to make both the shoulder belt and the lap belt fit right for the best crash protection.Your child will be more comfortable, too!
5 Step Test


Thanks for sharing this.

My 7+ year old is still in her SnS Hliner -- from what I can see, she appears to be one of the few of her friends & classmates still in a booster after turning 7.

She's staying in until I am confident she can pass that 5-step test.

#14 Maple Leaf

Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:11 PM

I would not be allowing a child in the front seat if you have front passenger airbags. Just an added thought.


#15 Julie3Girls

Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:25 PM

You really need to do the 5 step test in the car you are planning to use, in the seat they will be sitting in.

We were car shopping earlier in the year, and in the old car, my DD1 age 10.5 was still in a half booster. Part of our car shopping process was checking if a full carseat + booster + half booster could fit across the back. OR if DD1 could pass the 5 step test in the back seat, with enough space for her with 2 other boosters/carseats.

It was amazing the difference between cars. Different depths to the back seat, different points where the seatbelt came across from the back.

We ended up with a car where we could have fitted 3 seats, but it was also a car where DD1 passes the 5 step test in the middle seat. So we decided to go without the booster seat.

Oh, and she is only in the front when we have an extra and all the back seats are full - or if the extra passenger is bigger, they get the front seat.

#16 scarfie

Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:50 PM

DS2 turned 10 today, and he is till in a Babylove Ezy-up Booster and fits it comfortably.  All of his friends are out of their boosters and he is keen to be out of his, but he cannot pass the 5 step test in my car.  However, he can in my DD1's car, so if he goes with her he can sit in the back seat without a booster.  We did get a half booster from KMart a few months ago when DD1 bought her car, but now he doesn't need it.

Be strong and tell your kids that their safety is paramount to you and that is why you insist they remain in their boosters.



#17 pters

Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:24 PM

I checked them both today, and neither have legs long enough to pass the test. I also tried a booster cushion we use in the middle for visitors, and not only do their legs still not reach properly on it, but it seems to slip forward anyway.
I think we'll have to persist with what we have for a while.

Edited by pters, 09 December 2012 - 08:24 PM.


#18 Mumsyto2

Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Julie3Girls @ 09/12/2012, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You really need to do the 5 step test in the car you are planning to use, in the seat they will be sitting in.

It was amazing the difference between cars. Different depths to the back seat, different points where the seatbelt came across from the back.

Absolutely. My eldest (soon to be 9yo) is fine in DH car but is still in a hi-liner in my car as he can't pass the 5 step in mine. Neither do I and I am 152cm. I would happily sit in a booster in my car if I could fit as whether sitting in the back or drivers seat the seatbelt comes across my chin when adjusted to the lowest position.  Love love love my car but it is not meant for short people, not just the seatbelt issue but also the depth of the seats - If I have my bum right back when sitting in the backseat my legs don't bend properly where they should which is really odd so the natural thing is to shuffle your butt forward so your legs bend correctly over the seat, not an issue in the drivers seat as that is designed differently.

#19 cinnabubble

Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

Part of the problem seems to be using ages as guides. I have a 135cm tall six year old, who appears to be as tall as some of the eight year olds in this thread. If she was eight, she wouldn't have a legal requirement to be in a booster, yet she's clearly too small to sit in a car seat alone.

It would be nice if the guidelines used height, rather than age, as their key indicator.

#20 liveworkplay

Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:03 PM

QUOTE
It would be nice if the guidelines used height, rather than age, as their key indicator.


Agree 100% Considering back when DD2 was 3 I couldn't buy a 5 pt harness seat for her that she fit height and weight wise her in Australia so she had to go into a booster!  All three of mine have been over the 90th percentile or off the charts which makes it very very difficult to conform to age restrictions. It's much easier now with DD3 #as there are bigger (taller) seats on the market.

Edited by liveworkplay, 09 December 2012 - 09:05 PM.


#21 monkeys mum

Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:16 PM

QUOTE (cinnabubble @ 09/12/2012, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Part of the problem seems to be using ages as guides. I have a 135cm tall six year old, who appears to be as tall as some of the eight year olds in this thread. If she was eight, she wouldn't have a legal requirement to be in a booster, yet she's clearly too small to sit in a car seat alone.

It would be nice if the guidelines used height, rather than age, as their key indicator.


I have the same issue ds1 turned six two weeks ago, he's only two inches shorter then my dd who will be nine in April. Plus he's the sane weight as dd at 30 something kilos. The age guide lines suck fir those kids who are not average size. We were looking at a new seat but his shoulders are just above the shoulder marker on those we tried.

Thanks for posting the five step checklist as I'll check ds tomorrow.

As for airbags how do sure curtain airbags rate?

#22 imamumto3

Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE (baddmammajamma @ 09/12/2012, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for sharing this.

My 7+ year old is still in her SnS Hliner -- from what I can see, she appears to be one of the few of her friends & classmates still in a booster after turning 7.

She's staying in until I am confident she can pass that 5-step test.

most people I know have their 7 yo still in a booster so the safety message must be getting through.  I was annoyed though when my brother posted a pic on fb of my small 7yo nephew throwing away his booster on his 7th birthday.  not as annoyed though as when I went to put my 5 1/2 mo nephew in the car and realised he was ff.  






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