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#1 jules363

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:17 PM

I am going out on a limb here for a friend, this dog is NOT my dog.

She bought this Groodle as a gorgeous puppy, she has grown to be a big girl now.

My friends are lovely people, and I can't imagine them being anything but responsible pet owners.

The dog is still under a year old, but is aggressive.  She is very aggressive around food, and attacks if you come near her when food is anywhere within striking distance.  She has bitten members of the family.

My friends have tried to re-home her or have a shelter take her, but they have all advised that they have her put to sleep, which is happening TONIGHT, if I can't find any place that can take her and not kill her.

The only reason I am asking is that I know I have seen threads here where a dog has bitten, but people have said not to put it to sleep, as there are such and such places willing to take dogs (I think she was expensive!) and re-train them and place them with the right families.  It's really just a desperate "they've done all they can" from the family...I only found out about it a few minutes ago.

Let me know if there is ANYTHING you can think of.

Sorry, it would help to say the dog is in Sth Eastern Melbourne.

Edited by jules363, 07 December 2012 - 04:20 PM.


#2 The Old Bag

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:25 PM

Do you know why she's aggressive? Is it just her nature, or could it be a lack of training and assertiveness from the owners?

If it's the former, PTS is the only responsible choice sad.gif

#3 jules363

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:29 PM

TOB....I don't really know the dog at all, only seen her a couple of times.  Apparantly it is all about food?  She has come from a breeder that might have been very irresponsible (once again, don't know much about this, but my friends were trying to rescue her), and they think that the food thing comes from the early days before they had her...does that make any sense?

#4 jules363

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:32 PM

Just heard from my friend again, and she says that vets and shelters have suggested that the dog was "fighting to get something in her mouth" (quoting her) as a puppy and this has bought on this aggression when it comes to food.


#5 la di dah

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:33 PM

5:17 pm the night they want her put to sleep? I don't blame you OP, but they haven't done this dog any favours at all.

Biting means mouthing and nipping (normal puppy behavior) or biting means blood drawn and stitches required? If it's only growling and mouthing I would say that can be trained out by somebody who is a bit more confident/experienced for sure and it would be a shame to euthanize for that.

I'm not in Melbourne. I hope it works out.

#6 Oriental lily

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:34 PM

The problem is that their is a MASSIVE liability when a rescue rehomes a known aggressive dog.


That's why no one will take it in.


No kill shelters are a fallacy.

They only accept good temp dogs to begin with that are rehomaeable.



Sadly if the owners have done all they can ( or willing to do) then pts is the safest option.


Personally if their a children at home then it's the correct choice.


Horrible though, but something our family had to when I was a teenager.
Looking back twenty years later it still was the correct choice.




#7 la di dah

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:39 PM

Don't get me wrong I can understand a large dog being too much for some families and its not fun to get mouthed/nipped/pinched but I would seperate that from actual damage-done (aside from bruising - big puppies can bruise) biting as far as what I would do with the dog.

For example I've heard dogs blasted as "attacking" when they mean "jumped up like a goober and scratched" which ain't by any means pleasant but clarifying to a rescue can be helpful.

Doesn't sound like the dog's had much training at all?

#8 Oriental lily

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:40 PM

Lah di dah the op said attack. I am gathering that a aggressive reaction not a puppy mouthing or chewing and playful growling that puppies who are teething display.


Rescue dogs do often have food aggression.

Due to it not being much of it and them needing to defend.

I remember a story on dogzonline years ago were a litter of 12 week old puppies actually killed each other due to food aggression.

The whole litter needed to be pts.

#9 jules363

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:40 PM

Sadly it is more than growling.  Blood has been drawn twice, once from a child.

I understand why no one will take her in, and I know my friends have done all they can - they are absolutely beside themselves.

The appointment has been made for a few days...I have only just found out.  No rash decisions were made.

What a sad situation....I just wanted to know, and so did my friend, that there was nothing else that could be done.  Just so sad, a dog that has barely lived it's life, but obviously became so desperate, and her need for food ingrained, when she was born sad.gif

Thanks everyone.

#10 The Old Bag

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:41 PM

Well if they're serious about exploring other options I can give details of a no kill rescue organisation I've fostered for. Can't guarantee they'd accept her either, but it's salvageable they'll try.

Your friends will have to be really honest about what's happened, and they'd have to take the heat off a bit so there's time to organise a foster etc. None of this 'take her now our she dies'  crap people pull. TBH if they're not willing to keep her a few more days, I'd assume the problem is pretty bad.

ETA ok having read your update about kids and blood, I don't think my advice above is any use. Sorry sad.gif

Edited by The Old Bag, 07 December 2012 - 04:43 PM.


#11 la di dah

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (Oriental lily @ 07/12/2012, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lah di dah the op said attack. I am gathering that a aggressive reaction not a puppy mouthing or chewing and playful growling that puppies who are teething display.


Rescue dogs do often have food aggression.

Due to it not being much of it and them needing to defend.

I remember a story on dogzonline years ago were a litter of 12 week old puppies actually killed each other due to food aggression.

The whole litter needed to be pts.


I've had rescue dogs (including one that was food protective) but I've also heard some really innocuous behaviors described in the darkest terms, especially for big dogs. Especially by owners thrown in the deepend who are nervous as it gets bigger and bigger and they don't have much confidence/command.

I heard "attack" the other day for a staffy puppy with a jumping problem and nails that need clipping, I'm not even joking. And one of the people in the house is pushing for "just get rid of it" as its "wild."

Resource guarding is no joke and I wouldn't underestimate it but I don't assume anything anymore as far as knowing what the spectrum of normal (untrained) behavior is.

OP, I was just asking to establish/look at options. I'm really sorry. I wasn't trying to criticize you or anything.

Edited by la di dah, 07 December 2012 - 04:49 PM.


#12 jules363

Posted 07 December 2012 - 05:01 PM

These are unfortunately real attacks...looks like the only choice possible has been made.  I know my friend has made many, many phone calls, including the last one to the Groodle association, and no one will take her (I understand this), and all advise putting her to sleep.  It's some small comfort to my friend that she has done everything she possibly can, and I thank you all for confirming that.  I know there are some very knowledgeable people on this board when it comes to animals.

#13 Epitome

Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:27 PM

There's a "Groodle Association" ?????

This is a sad story OP. More than likely the parents were not assessed for temperament (they certainly weren't for genetic disorders) and it sounds like the puppy was not properly socialised before leaving Mum.

If your friends ever do decide to get another dog, they need to either get a rescue who has been temperament tested or a puppy from a registered, ethical breeder who can introduce them to the parents etc.

The only people that benefit from this sort of behaviour are the "breeders" who probably made $$$$


#14 jules363

Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:29 PM

Yeah, it's disgraceful, and very sad sad.gif

My friends have owned many, many dogs before, they tried everything to save this one from a bad situation, but the damage was already done sad.gif

#15 Epitome

Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:31 PM

Good on you for trying to make a difference

I'd like to lock up the idiots who bred this poor animal

#16 CountryBumpkin

Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:45 PM

What breeds have been mixed to make a groodle? I get the oodle bit, but puzzled on the gr..

#17 la di dah

Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:48 PM

QUOTE (CountryBumpkin @ 07/12/2012, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What breeds have been mixed to make a groodle? I get the oodle bit, but puzzled on the gr..

Golden Retriever.

In the States they're called Goldendoodles but that makes Aussies snort uncontrollably and then giggle like children.

#18 FiveAus

Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:55 PM

Just heartbreaking. It's young for such vicious behaviour, I wonder if it has some sort of brain disorder. If it's already bitten a child an drawn blood, it would be extremely irresponsible to rehome it. Poor thing is probably better off being put to sleep.

#19 greatwon2

Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE
In the States they're called Goldendoodles but that makes Aussies snort uncontrollably and then giggle like children.



Yes , Yes it does original.gif

So sorry to read about your friends dog, hopefully they find a little comfort in knowing their doing the right thing and that they tried for a different outcome

#20 spellfall

Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE (la di dah @ 07/12/2012, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Golden Retriever.

In the States they're called Goldendoodles but that makes Aussies snort uncontrollably and then giggle like children.



... I didn't know that, and I couldn't help giggling even before I finished your sentence Tounge1.gif


OP, you tried to make a difference so good on you.

Another notch for the oodle breeders...

#21 *Ker*

Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

Goddamn oodle breeders. This is what we fight against!

Food aggression CAN be trained out with a GOOD behaviouralist. If they are willing to try this, I know a good one in Victoria. I can give you Tamara's details to pass on?

I wouldn't take a biter. I am not a behaviouralist, and while I CAN work with some behaviours, I'm not qualified to do a biter. Not many rescues will take it.

Poor dog.



#22 *Spikey*

Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

Sorry Jules, I can't help either.

I do a lot of retraining with rescue dogs, including behavioural stuff, but I won't take on a biter unless I have a very committed owner who is prepared to ensure the dog is contained so that bites are not possible.

Food aggression can often be trained out - but it is a long term project and if the dog has gone as far as biting, I'm not sure that its going to be successful as its a severe case.

It usually requires things like proper containment and an extensive training regime with absolute commitment. Thats often beyond the capability of most families, as they have limits placed on them by children, work and other stuff.

Poor dog - to be food aggressive is such a sad thing. cry1.gif

And of course this emphasises why Oodle breeders - including those claiming to be 'reputable', what a joke that is - should be shut down. sad.gif




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