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#1 Pull Up A Beanbag

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:20 PM

Just doing some "research" for my own financial reasons.

Next year I'm losing a day of school teaching, and would like to make up the difference in $, ideally without going into relief teaching (which I hate).

I also have the option of taking private piano students, but that's option B atm.

Option A is-

*  Talk to the daycare directly across the road from my house
* see if they're interested in having me do 1/2 hour music lessons to assist them in meeting the Early Childhood curriculum (I'm in QLD).

I'm thinking maybe the 3-4 and 4-5 year old age brackets, as I'm pretty sure they're also a preschool.  They're an 86 placement centre according to the advertising I've found, so assuming maybe 1/2 of those are in that age bracket?  Say 40 for the argument.

I'm looking at charging $2 a child.  So, if every one of those "40" children attended, I could make $80 a week, which is most of the take-home $ I'm lacking.

There's also several daycares around, so even if this particularly convenient one isn't interested, there are options.

Would you be happy to pay $2 a week for a qualified music teacher to come to your daycare and teach music?

#2 Unatheowl

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:22 PM

Yes in principle.  I'd like to know more about the class structure etc of course but my initial reaction would be positive.

Personally I think you should charge more.  You're probably worth it and you may not get all the children.  It gives a good impression of your quality if you charge a little more.

#3 Filulah

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:23 PM

Definitely! I would love that.

#4 Pull Up A Beanbag

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:25 PM

I don't want to charge too much in order to get the most kids attending.

Would $5 (so $50 a school term/child) be too cheeky?

#5 CheekyBuggers

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:27 PM

My daycare did a mandatory $2 music lesson. It wasn't too bad. Kids seemed to enjoy it.

#6 epl0822

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:51 PM

I would pay $5 so my child isn't left out but would be annoyed about it, since I would already be paying a lot of money for my child to attend the daycare.

#7 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:54 PM

I would expect that kind of teaching to come out of my fees.

#8 the wudges

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:55 PM

I used to pay $6 per child every fortnight for a music and movement lesson at daycare. Both my kids loved it and I thought it very reasonably priced for the experience they got. There was an opt-out option if you didn't want your child to participate.

#9 CallMeFeral

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:56 PM

My daycare ran dance classes and I think they were $15 each. I thought it was steep but then again it saved me the hassle of having to take them to dance!
I'd be happy to pay $10. At $5 I'd be in like Flynn.

#10 Jjbeanz

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

Yep I'd definitely pay $2 a week for it but $5 maybe

#11 ChickenortheEgg?

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:05 PM

QUOTE (NapCat @ 05/12/2012, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't want to charge too much in order to get the most kids attending.

Would $5 (so $50 a school term/child) be too cheeky?



I, personally, think anywhere from $5-$10 is reasonable.

#12 Pull Up A Beanbag

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:05 PM

QUOTE (Balzac @ 05/12/2012, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would expect that kind of teaching to come out of my fees.



I fully understand this, but the way I see it is this:


From a professional standpoint, there are a LOT of people out there who are distinctly uncomfortable with teaching music.

They aren't confident with singing, they can't keep the beat etc etc.  When they are happy to sing, they often sing too low, not promoting correct use of a "singing" voice.  They don't know the best place to access resources.

When you think about it carefully, music IS maths and literacy.  You access the melody and the words that go WITH the melody on opposite sides of the brain.  Beat is whole numbers and rhythm is fractions.

Wouldn't you rather pay a professional to give your kids the best start?

#13 poss71

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE (NapCat @ 05/12/2012, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fully understand this, but the way I see it is this:


From a professional standpoint, there are a LOT of people out there who are distinctly uncomfortable with teaching music.

They aren't confident with singing, they can't keep the beat etc etc.  When they are happy to sing, they often sing too low, not promoting correct use of a "singing" voice.  They don't know the best place to access resources.

When you think about it carefully, music IS maths and literacy.  You access the melody and the words that go WITH the melody on opposite sides of the brain.  Beat is whole numbers and rhythm is fractions.

Wouldn't you rather pay a professional to give your kids the best start?

Well, if you put it that way, who can refuse?

I would have said I'd be happy to pay $6 (but I have two kids so I'd be feeling a bit stingy about paying $12 extra a week). With your last post, I'd now say $8 to $12 would be reasonable. That's per child, to be clear.

Sell it.

P.S. I pay $110.00 per day per child before any rebate. Hope that helps with context.

#14 Citylovely

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:14 PM

Personally, I would expect the money to come out of my fees as well as Balzac said.Considering we pay over $110 a day the centre should cover it IMOI understand where you are coming from I'm regards to being a professional however my centre has a budget for these type of things and should use the money towards something as beneficial as having a professional come in and teach

#15 Pull Up A Beanbag

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:19 PM

If the centre is a "we have a budget for specialist" type, then I am MORE than happy to charge the centre.

If not though, $5 seems to be considered fairly reasonable original.gif

#16 Silver Girl

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:20 PM

I would be prepared to pay up to $5 per lesson. I think it sounds great and a convenient way for my child to be exposed to music education.

By way of comparison, Mainly Music sessions (singing with actions and dancing) go for 1/2 hour plus morning tea and a play with the toys. They are $5 per family. I realise it is a different format in a different context however. Suzuki classes are from memory $17ish but are more about teaching in the way you describe.

Would you offer a discount for families with more than one child at the centre?



#17 Pull Up A Beanbag

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE (Silver Girl @ 05/12/2012, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would be prepared to pay up to $5 per lesson. I think it sounds great and a convenient way for my child to be exposed to music education.

By way of comparison, Mainly Music sessions (singing with actions and dancing) go for 1/2 hour plus morning tea and a play with the toys. They are $5 per family. I realise it is a different format in a different context however. Suzuki classes are from memory $17ish but are more about teaching in the way you describe.

Would you offer a discount for families with more than one child at the centre?



The method I base my EC learning on is the Kodaly method, with a fair amount of "I'm a percussionist, beat and rhythm are important!"  slathered on top Tounge1.gif

I hadn't thought about a discount, but will certainly take it under consideration original.gif

#18 CallMeFeral

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:28 PM

Those who think it should come out of the fees - it depends how you look at it.
If it's fitting a curriculum thing that they are mandated to provide, then yes that should already be covered by the fees. I would be annoyed if that's how it worked.

If it's an optional extra, then it's no different from the music classes you could sign your child up for as an extra curricular activity, which would be a helluva lot more than $5 a class - usually more like $15.
With the added bonus of you not having to take them.
A few of the full time daycare mums I know have often felt guilty about the fact that their kids don't get to do as much dance/sport/etc as some of the other kids, because of the limited non-daycare time, and were wishing that there were more activities offerred within the daycare that they could sign up for. That's what really shifted my outlook with regards to DD's dance class - before that I was kind of peeved and of the "I pay enough" school of thought.


#19 kristin5

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:30 PM

Our child care centre had a music teacher come in once a fortnight and I think we paid an extra $3 for each session (it was optional, but DS loves anything to do with music, so we were happy to pay this). So go for it, I think it's a great idea and they'd be mad to refuse!

#20 The Awesome One

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:33 PM

Yeah up to about $5 I would be willing to pay for something like that, I would be more willing if there was a discount, we have 3 children so something like that adds up quickly.

#21 Poss and Soss

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

I pay $106 per day per child.

Assuming there would be 20 kids in the class for 30 mins then I would not pay more than $2 additional although even then it honestly would not appeal but is something I would just not bother to argue about.

I can't see my child getting much value out of a class with 19 other kids in a child care setting for half an hour. I would prefer to save the money and spend it elsewhere on their development.

It's not that I do not agree with what you argue. I agree to an extent that I'd rather spend more in another setting and have any sense my child might be getting some sort of valuable experience from it.

Edited by Poss and Soss, 05 December 2012 - 06:35 PM.


#22 Pinky101

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:39 PM

I would definitely pay $5 (even though my Dd is only 2).

I agree with the PP that it should be pretty popular with full-time daycare kids whose parents don't have the time to take them to classes outside of daycare.

#23 Shadowess

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:40 PM

I pay $3 per week for a music class for my DD2. It's probably nt as professional as you're talking, but the kids love it, they get to play some percussion instruments, dance and sing. The baby class does it as well.

Really, at that age, I'm totally happy with a cheap and cheerful music program... I don't see the benefit at that age, of having a highly technical thing. And yes, I do value music education, I spent years and years in piano and music lessons.



#24 Babetty

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:40 PM

I pay 'only' about $65 per day for childcare - that's the set rate for the centre, not taking about benefit etc into account.

In that context, I am happy to pay for 'extras' and pay $10 a week for an hourly dance class - with an Bachelor of Early Childhood qualified teacher - and also $10 per week for an hour's sports lesson, also with an external teacher. These are optional extras for the centre.

So $5 for a half-hour class sounds reasonable to me, but make sure you're prepared to put together a little brochure to sell it to the parents, handle fee collection etc (our childcare centre is willing to pass on completed payment forms, but they don't handle the cash, collect the fees etc).

#25 Pull Up A Beanbag

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (Poss and Soss @ 05/12/2012, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't see my child getting much value out of a class with 19 other kids in a child care setting for half an hour.



Really? I mean, obviously it's not going to be individual piano lessons etc, but teaching them the joy of singing, instruments, rhythm and rhyming games all bound up with literacy and numeracy?  You don't need 1 on 1 attention for that - in fact, children IME are MORE likely to sing in a group because they're encouraged by the outgoing ones around them doing it!




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