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#1 Velvetta

Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:56 AM

When I heard on the news yesterday that it is practically inevitable that temps will rise by 4 to 6 degrees in the next 50 years or so, I just felt terror.
We have been aware of global warming and its effects for 20 years or more, yet Australia increases its greenhouse gas emissions by 3% every year.

Because business and income, both national and household are so tied in with fossil fuels, it seems we cannot relinquish our hold on them. Hydro fuels and all the alternatives are perfectly viable but no one is willing to give up their position in the money chain. Car manufacturers, factories, transport - all would need to spend a huge amount to convert to alternatives and they aren't willing it seems.

I feel so frustrated as an individual that this selfish short sightedness is going to cause enormous suffering in the future as ice caps melt, natural disasters multiply, food sources diminish and mass animal extinctions occur.

I want my children and my grandchildren to live in a better world, not worse!

I'm no scientist so forgive me if I've oversimplified things or missed something, but it does seem that no one with any power is willing to shift this paradigm and it moves me to tears.


#2 jess1980

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:02 AM

I feel the same way. I've often had sleepless nights worrying about whether I've done the right thing by having children I do live in hope that things will change but only time will tell

#3 Oriental lily

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:04 AM

It's scary.

I think it will come to the point of adapting. Not preventing.

As you said no one wants to take on the reliance of fossil fuel.

One of Australia's economy pillars is coal.

So much money involved. And developing countries are demanding more and more.

I think of of all the natural wonders  that will vanish. Great barrier reef......

It's horrible but I really don't see a solution.

#4 lozoodle

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:10 AM

Yeah its a bit scary, but there isn't much point in working yourself into a state over it. Losing sleep at night? Really?

#5 JJ

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:18 AM

I do a bit, but there's other stuff I worry about much more (though in the end I suppose it all ties in together anyway).

#6 witchesforest

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:28 AM

hell yeah, i am terrified and ashamed not to be doing more. i

think there will be a really ugly century ahead as 7 billion, then 8 billion, then 9 billion people experience poorly growing crops, food insecurity, changing rainfall patterns. we are isolated from the geopolitical reality a bit here in Australia but I sometimes think we are a bit like late Victorians or Prussians before WW2 - that events are going to speed up and overtake us and we will look like quaint fools who couldn't see what was coming,

#7 Oriental lily

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:29 AM

A denier rolleyes.gif .

There is never been a time in all the earths history that we have has temp increases like this.

Normaly changes happen over hundred, even thousands years or driven by natural disasters.

But hey I am sure it's nice feeling with your head nice and deep in that sand.

Edited by Oriental lily, 04 December 2012 - 09:30 AM.


#8 Squeekums Da Feral

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:30 AM

Well it wont be an issue when the world ends in just over a week
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*no I dont really believe it will happen

#9 Liv_FERAL_sh

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:31 AM

QUOTE (Sassy Girl @ 04/12/2012, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't worry me at all given it's just a part of the cycle that the earth has gone through for millennia.

It is scaremongering nothing more.


And there it is...the reason why my grandchildren will be living underwater!

Yeah OP it scares the bejesus out of me, especially with people spouting bullsh*t! I can't believe how ignorant people are....natural cycle...yes natural cycles that cause mass extinction.

I suppose the only thing we can do is do our bit for the environment and teach our children about climate change and hope that at some point the rest of the world will wake up...AND become ecoterrorists!

#10 Z-girls rock

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:32 AM

yes. yes I do.

we have changed our home with solar panels etc so that we are 'neutral' (not bill neutral - but our output is equal to or more then the electricity we use in our home) etc
we do have a car and use it sometimes but use public transport to work. And keep car use to a minimum.

we also do things like reduce, reuse, recycle. Compost and grow our own vegies etc but there are some things we need to consume of course.

but I really feel like there are a lot people (maybe not enough) who are trying to change themselves, their home etc.

This is great.

but unless governments and industry comes along we are still on a negative path.

People talk the talk but then get upset when governments try to take measures (like carbon pricing: commonly known as the carbon tax) to change habits and usage.

#11 seayork2002

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:34 AM

I am at a loss with this too!

QUOTE (lozoodle @ 04/12/2012, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah its a bit scary, but there isn't much point in working yourself into a state over it. Losing sleep at night? Really?



#12 BetteBoop

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:35 AM

Yes, it terrifies me. I think there's a self destructive instinct in most species. I doubt humanity will be around in 500 years.

QUOTE (Sassy Girl @ 04/12/2012, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't worry me at all given it's just a part of the cycle that the earth has gone through for millennia.

It is scaremongering nothing more.


Where did you get your doctorate in Meterology?

#13 KatakaGeoGirl

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:35 AM

We considered not having children (very seriously we weren't going to) partly for this reason. Don't know what came over us...

#14 archythepeasant

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:39 AM

Yes, occasionally terrifying to wonder what my children's lives will be like.  I'll be dead and it wont'e bother me, buthtem and their children?

But of course, maybe I could join Andrew Bolt and other denizens of the single brain cell community and deny that climate change is happening.  If I say it loudly enough, and trot out specious arguments, it will be true, won't it?

#15 (feral)epg

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:45 AM

I fear that the collective world population is too stupid, lazy and greedy to do anything to limit global warming.
I fear that the greatest impact of climate change will be on the worlds poorest people and that those of us in the wealthier parts who have contributed far more, will be affected far less.


#16 seayork2002

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:47 AM

Please explain???

QUOTE (epg @ 04/12/2012, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fear that the collective world population is too stupid, lazy and greedy to do anything to limit global warming.
I fear that the greatest impact of climate change will be on the worlds poorest people and that those of us in the wealthier parts who have contributed far more, will be affected far less.



#17 emnut

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:48 AM




QUOTE (Sassy Girl @ 04/12/2012, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't worry me at all given it's just a part of the cycle that the earth has gone through for millennia.

It is scaremongering nothing more.


attitudes like this scare me - how can we hope that anything can be done to reverse it with ignorance like this that I have now seen for about the 10th time in a week from people complaining about extreme weather

#18 bluebird84

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:50 AM

QUOTE (Sassy Girl @ 04/12/2012, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It doesn't worry me at all given it's just a part of the cycle that the earth has gone through for millennia.

It is scaremongering nothing more.




Climate Change denial and the illusion of consensus
http://www.ecosmagazine.com/paper/EC12490.htm

#19 Boombox

Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:53 AM

It absolutely scares me for my children's sake. And it makes me angry when people defend mining and deforestation in the name of "jobs" and the economy. Why should someones supposed right to a job equal the future destruction of the planet that we live on?

It's the children of today who will live with the sh*tty temperature rises, and the inevitable crap that will come with them. These kids have done nothing wrong, and will probably be the ones who will try the hardest to fix something they had no hand in destroying.

And what is even worse is that the bags of hot air like Alan Jones will be long dead and buried, why are they so intent of lying and misleading people- what gain is there for them?!

#20 seayork2002

Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:00 AM

Ok then please give actual facts rather than posting information from unreliable sources (I am not saying you have but it is useless of people posting links form Google and expecting them to be believed no matter what opinions the poster may have).

QUOTE (emnut @ 04/12/2012, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
attitudes like this scare me - how can we hope that anything can be done to reverse it with ignorance like this that I have now seen for about the 10th time in a week from people complaining about extreme weather



#21 bluebird84

Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE (seayork2002 @ 04/12/2012, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok then please give actual facts rather than posting information from unreliable sources (I am not saying you have but it is useless of people posting links form Google and expecting them to be believed no matter what opinions the poster may have).



I don't believe anyone has posted a link from google? and the "actual facts" of global warming are widely available for anyone who cares to look out for them. The IPCC reports are available here:

https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/p...a_reports.shtml

#22 kadoodle

Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:09 AM

I fear it greatly.  I'm sad for my children and grandchildren who'll never know the natural beauty that this and previous generations have destroyed for "the economy".  That they'll be left to deal with the clean up, food and water shortages and pollution caused disease. The apocalypse is coming and it's such an inconvenient truth that society will do anything to convince itself that it's a conspiracy by scientists and tree hugging loony greenies.

#23 Liv_FERAL_sh

Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:13 AM

QUOTE (seayork2002 @ 04/12/2012, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok then please give actual facts rather than posting information from unreliable sources (I am not saying you have but it is useless of people posting links form Google and expecting them to be believed no matter what opinions the poster may have).


You're saying weird things again Seayork!! If you want people to come in here and say they aren't worried at all about climate change then you are probably in the wrong thread. Maybe you should start a spin off for climate deniers?

Nobody has posted unfounded information or google links, people have been voicing an opinion about the science was discussed at the DOHA climate change conference. IF you are interested in reading about actual science then go here:

http://unfccc.int/meetings/doha_nov_2012/meeting/6815.php

#24 (feral)epg

Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:15 AM

QUOTE (seayork2002 @ 04/12/2012, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok then please give actual facts rather than posting information from unreliable sources (I am not saying you have but it is useless of people posting links form Google and expecting them to be believed no matter what opinions the poster may have).


Sorry seayork but it sounds like you have well and truly made up your mind to disregard the scientific consensus.  Unless you actually have some training and experience in climate science this is every bit as delusional as a layperson deciding not to vaccinate their children based on what they read on the internet.
I refuse to engage in debates about whether climate change is real, just as I don't discuss the existence of gravity or whether 9/11 was a hoax.

#25 niggles

Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:21 AM

QUOTE (epg @ 04/12/2012, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fear that the greatest impact of climate change will be on the worlds poorest people and that those of us in the wealthier parts who have contributed far more, will be affected far less.


This is entirely grounded. Many many communities are already struggling to adapt to climate changes. The number of people relying on Lake Chad for water, food and livelihood, for example, is scary. That's why I support a global adaptation fund for developing countries.




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