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#1 red_squirrel

Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:09 PM

Just read this in another online newspaper.

The pictures are pretty startling. I thought it was rather timely given how many women on here think moderate alcohol wont effect their baby.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting...a-1226527016561

#2 noonehere

Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

I have shared on facebook.

We had a family member continue to do drugs and drink and now her child has heart problems, born 2 month prem and underweight and is now having eye problems, size of a small one year old at four and is under going other diaganos.

Safest choice is to not drink, if you NEED that drink get some fizzy juice :-)

#3 Green Door

Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

That photo is so old and also fake!


#4 Feral Mozzie

Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:47 PM

I find it very hard to believe that the damage shown is caused by 'moderate amounts of alcohol' - whatever that means (my moderate might be your light drinking).

If moderate alcohol caused that kind of damage, most of my generation would be impaired - our mothers all drank when they were pregnant with us.

And for the record, no, I am not drinking while pregnant.

#5 suline

Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:48 PM

So according to the article, 60% of women drink alcohol while pregnant, but only 2% of babies are born with FAS?

Edited by suline, 30 November 2012 - 06:48 PM.


#6 wonder woman

Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE (Mozzie1 @ 30/11/2012, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I find it very hard to believe that the damage shown is caused by 'moderate amounts of alcohol' - whatever that means (my moderate might be your light drinking).

The photo is of the shrunken brain of a six-week old baby whose mother drank heavily during pregnancy.

QUOTE (suline @ 30/11/2012, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So according to the article, 60% of women drink alcohol while pregnant, but only 2% of babies are born with FAS?

Australian women, Tasmanian babies original.gif

Edited by wonder woman, 30 November 2012 - 06:54 PM.


#7 Ruf~Feral~es

Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:54 PM

I have seen FAS, quite a few times.  And the mothers did not drink what I would consider to be "moderate".  

I did drink when I was pregnant with both of mine.  1/2 a glass of champagne at a wedding.  The odd 1/4 wine 3/4 soda when out.  Even Lemon/lime/bitters has a fraction of alcohol.  That is what I consider "moderate".  Less than 1 standard drink a month, even.

So shoot me for being an "educated, middle class, drinking when pregnant" woman.  You cannot tell me that I put my children at risk of FAS.  


QUOTE
If moderate alcohol caused that kind of damage, most of my generation would be impaired - our mothers all drank when they were pregnant with us.


+1.

The average baby-in-utero is more at risk every time the mother gets into a car than they are from the level of drinking I and my friends indulged in. rolleyes.gif

#8 EsmeLennox

Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:58 PM

Whenever this kind of thing comes up I am totally surprised that there are so few children with FAS if small or even moderate amounts of alcohol cause it.

No one's going to dispute that large amounts of alcohol causes harm, but the jury is still out on smaller amounts.

Surely France should be positively overrun?





#9 purplekitty

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Green Door @ 30/11/2012, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That photo is so old and also fake!
Why is it fake?
QUOTE (Mozzie1 @ 30/11/2012, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I find it very hard to believe that the damage shown is caused by 'moderate amounts of alcohol' - whatever that means (my moderate might be your light drinking).
It says in the article the baby has FASD and the mother was drinking heavily in pregnancy.


#10 Green Door

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:15 PM

Its fake because its been around for years and years. Google it ,

#11 Green Door

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:18 PM

Oh and because my obgyn told me its just a scare tactic.
Everyone knkws drinking heavy during pregnancy its not good for you or your baby. But a glass here and there is fine.

#12 livvie7586

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (Green Door @ 30/11/2012, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That photo is so old and also fake!


it does show how the brains are in comparison though, fake or not.  one of the unis in sydney have a normal brain and an FAS brain on display, they look much the same as what the photos show.

The main thing i always get from these type of things is that's heavy drinking, that is what shows up easily.  but how many mild cases are there that just get brushed off as something else?

#13 CallMeFeral

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE (Jemstar @ 30/11/2012, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whenever this kind of thing comes up I am totally surprised that there are so few children with FAS if small or even moderate amounts of alcohol cause it.

No one's going to dispute that large amounts of alcohol causes harm, but the jury is still out on smaller amounts.

Surely France should be positively overrun?


Good point.
But why let logic get in the way of a good alarmist picture?

#14 CallMeFeral

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

QUOTE (livvie7586 @ 30/11/2012, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The main thing i always get from these type of things is that's heavy drinking, that is what shows up easily.  but how many mild cases are there that just get brushed off as something else?


It's a reasonable conclusion. But the alternate one is - how many things, in excess, DON'T do damage in pregnancy? Caffeine, sugar, exercise - all of those things can be problematic if done to excess, but within a normal range there is no known damage by them at all.

#15 Crodka

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:38 PM

I had about 1 drink a week while pregnant - my baby is perfectly healthy - if anything she is better for it  ph34r.gif
I also ate cold chicken, ham, prawns, feta...... I just did things sensibly though, all in moderation and from reliable sources.

#16 MinkyMonkey

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:38 PM

Damn, after the week I've had I was having I was planning on taking up drinking.


In all seriousness I have read enough research on FASD (not just full blown FAS) to completely abstain during pregnancy personally but believe everyone has the right to make their own risk assessments.

#17 Lifesgood

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:47 PM

"Women in their 40s are more than twice as likely as the under-25s to drink while pregnant."

That's because we have had time to read ALL the research on the subject and not just that published by news.com. And we know how to have just one glass of wine a week, not two bottles of Jim Beam.

They always trot out this statistic. I'd like to know what % of babies born to women in their 40s suffer from FAS. I'll bet it's practically 0.

#18 epl0822

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:52 PM

My former colleague didn't discover her pregnancy until she was borderline second trimester and she drank moderately during the first, unknowingly. The obstetrician basically told her not to worry and just don't drink anymore, but the chances of any harm done to the baby was very unlikely.

I'm all for encouraging pregnant women to reconsider alcohol intake during pregnancy but I don't like the scare mongering and unnecessary hysteria. It's a personal choice whether a woman chooses to drink or not and as long as she's not boozing up every day getting drunk out of her mind, I don't have a problem with it. It's not my business to interfere.

#19 suline

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE
That photo is so old and also fake!


I don't believe it is fake - I have read the original article published by Stering Clarren, and he examined 3 or 4 brains when children had died directly from FAS - in all cases the women were heavy/chronic binge drinkers. Obviously it was severe enough FAS to actually lead to death.

Most brain damaged cause by antenatal alcohol exposure causes more subtle looking changes, to specific parts of the brain so I think the picture used is very alarmist.

I really don't think making women feel guilty for drinking a glass of champagne at a wedding or christmas is helpful.

#20 purplekitty

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:11 PM

QUOTE (Green Door @ 30/11/2012, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its fake because its been around for years and years. Google it ,
Google what. It's not fake, just often referenced.
Sterling Clarren





#21 WithSprinkles

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:17 PM

Of course there are always people in these threads who say "I drank during my pregnancy and my baby is fine". However, none of the current research can give us an indication of a safe level of alcohol.I doubt that researchers will ever be able to do a proper randomised control study as it would not be ethical.

Simply put, the safest option is not drinking during pregnancy. However, people will weigh up the risks themselves and make a decision.

Full blown Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is not all that common, however Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorders are more common (and thought to be much more common than the statistics show due to the difficulty directly linking disorders such as ADHD, learning difficulties etc to maternal alcohol consumption).

In the end, I think it's worth educating people of the possible risks. I don't see it as "scare mongering", but then again, I have met several children with FAS so perhaps I have a different view than those who haven't.

#22 Soontobegran

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE (Green Door @ 30/11/2012, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh and because my obgyn told me its just a scare tactic.
Everyone knkws drinking heavy during pregnancy its not good for you or your baby. But a glass here and there is fine.



Your obstetrician should not tell you that when every drug and alcohol association world wide recommends zero alcohol consumption when pregnant. Scare tactics? FGS! mad.gif
There doesn't have to be a visible FAS to have been adversely affected by alcohol, there are a whole range of deficits now being attributed to alcohol from physical and behavioural issues to learning difficulties.

It is alcohol, not oxgen or water.....if you can not go without to ensure with 100% certainty that your child will not be effected then IMO it's a little sad.

#23 Soontobegran

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:32 PM

QUOTE (VanillaIcecream @ 30/11/2012, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have met several children with FAS so perhaps I have a different view than those who haven't.


I actually think many people have met children with FASD but they just don't realise it because they do not always have the typical FAS features.
Of course there is still the belief that it will 'never happen to them' sad.gif

#24 Green Door

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

My DR was [details removed] from sydney nsw. The best obgyn i have ever meet. I trust his word above  everything i read on the internet.

Edited by EBeditor, 01 December 2012 - 03:02 PM.
Edited for legal reasons


#25 Jane Jetson

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

I hate these threads. Yeah, I abstained completely after I discovered I was pregnant, but in my experience all these threads do is scare people who consumed alcohol before they realised they were pregnant.




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