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#1 *mylittleprince*

Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:09 AM

Hi

I'm after some advice and tips please.

I'm exclusively breastfeeding 7.5 week old twins and feeling hungry all the time and very flat. I take an iron supplement, a calcium supplement, 2 vitamin C tablets and a dairy free probiotic each day.

I'm allergic to gluten/soy/peanut and have eliminated dairy 3 weeks ago as my daughter's been diagnosed with cow's milk protein allergy. Since doing this I've been left feeling very hungry and flat. Dairy was a massive part of my diet due to allergies and fussiness.

This is an average day:

Two boiled eggs, gf and dairy free toast, dairy free margarine.

Apple, handful of nuts.

Beef/chicken/bacon salad - also add a handful of lentils/chickpeas for extra protein.

Piece of fruit.

Two pieces of gluten and dairy free toast, dairy free margarine and syrup.

Roast beef/chicken and vegetables OR beef stirfy OR salad.

Small bowl of sorbet OR 1/2 packet (about 6) gluten and dairy free biscuits

I literally eat the same thing every day. I'm so hungry that the last week I've been eating a packet of biscuits a day (30g fat) which is so unhealth but I just don't know what to eat.






Every now and then I mix 1L water and 1L apple juice plus a sachet of rehydrate. I'm drinking 4 - 6L of water each day.

Any tips or advice appreciated.

#2 Boo_Girl

Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:37 AM

Hi, so to start I need to say I am NOT a dietician but I have a strong interest in diet and nutrition and am considering studying it as a second career. So my first tip would be to make an appointment to see one. You have a good honest recording of your daily intake which is great. A dietician should be able to help with ideas such as what you might be lacking and when to take particular supplements, as some are water soluble and some are fat soluble, which means that you may not be getting the whole benefit of say iron or calcium if you are taking it at the wrong time or with the wrong foods.

Next I would say that you need more protein, a good protein hit at breakfast and lunch really sets you up for the day in terms of hunger management. The eggs at breakfast are great, but may add to your bad cholesterol over time if you are having 2 a day. Might have to watch that, for some people 2 are fine but for others it puts them in the higher bad cholesterol zone. Can you alternate with cereal at breakfast?  You can have with apple juice instead of soy or dairy and trust me, it might sound weird but its actually quite yummy. A good muesli mix gives you fibre, with 1tbls LSA (ground up linseed, sunflower and almond) - gives you protein, your probiotic should give you Ca and some protein, and 1tbls psylium husk will also give you fibre. You could even add LSA to your probiotic for a quick protein boost.

In terms of snacks and lunch and dinner, it sounds like you are getting a good mix of protein from animal sources and nuts, but can you add some from plant sources into the diet? Chickpeas (made into hummous - yummy with carrot and celery sticks - a great snack), lentils (eg a nice dhal mix), kidney or cannellini beans dropped into a salad, which you are already doing but maybe just add some more, or mashed up with your mashed potato, you get the idea. Maybe you could add another snack of nuts in for the day, you are feeding 3 after all!

Lastly I would say perhaps you can add some fish into the diet - good protein source as well as the omegas. Depends if you like fish of course. It is the easiest thing to cook or add into a salad for lunch. Let me know and I can give you some recipe tips. You didn't mention whether you were taking fish oil tablets?

Good luck!

Edited by Boo_Girl, 30 November 2012 - 09:40 AM.


#3 Jostaberry

Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:39 AM

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Edited by Jostaberry, 29 September 2013 - 08:14 PM.


#4 *mylittleprince*

Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:46 AM

Thanks for the advice so far.

BooGirl - I find the gluten free cereal doesn't touch sides and leaves me even hungrier. I can't have normal cereal or oats. Can you eat the LSA alone? Will try add a bit more protein. Are there any dairy free protein shakes that you would recommend? I have seen a dietician and she gave me so little food to eat (less than what I've put down). I'm having a phone consult with an allergy specialist dietician on Sunday.

Jostaberry - Not taking a pregnancy/breastfeeding supplement so will try that. I think sugar does make me feel worse.

#5 Chocciecake

Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:56 AM

Hi Mylittleprince,
I was also constantly ravenous breastfeeding twins. I was having double serves of lunch and dinner. My partner and MIL couldn't believe how much I was eating... I could put away so much food! Plus I was having half of a large family-size block of chocolate per day... and drinking 4-6L of water. Yikes!

So you are normal, maybe you could just increase your portion sizes? I don't have any other suggestions, sorry, but just to let you know you're normal!

Good luck with the breastfeeding, I found it incredibly tough!

#6 MeN3Ps!

Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:05 AM

QUOTE (*mylittleprince* @ 30/11/2012, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi

I'm after some advice and tips please.

I'm exclusively breastfeeding 7.5 week old twins and feeling hungry all the time and very flat. I take an iron supplement, a calcium supplement, 2 vitamin C tablets and a dairy free probiotic each day.

I'm allergic to gluten/soy/peanut and have eliminated dairy 3 weeks ago as my daughter's been diagnosed with cow's milk protein allergy. Since doing this I've been left feeling very hungry and flat. Dairy was a massive part of my diet due to allergies and fussiness.

This is an average day:

Two boiled eggs, gf and dairy free toast, dairy free margarine.

Apple, handful of nuts.

Beef/chicken/bacon salad - also add a handful of lentils/chickpeas for extra protein.

Piece of fruit.

Two pieces of gluten and dairy free toast, dairy free margarine and syrup.

Roast beef/chicken and vegetables OR beef stirfy OR salad.

Small bowl of sorbet OR 1/2 packet (about 6) gluten and dairy free biscuits

I literally eat the same thing every day. I'm so hungry that the last week I've been eating a packet of biscuits a day (30g fat) which is so unhealth but I just don't know what to eat.






Every now and then I mix 1L water and 1L apple juice plus a sachet of rehydrate. I'm drinking 4 - 6L of water each day.

Any tips or advice appreciated.


Hey hun - I was in the same boat! Just eat as much as you can! Sounds like you ate alot more than I could manage to when breastfeeding twins. It is really hard to get anytime at all for yourself _ but you are doing really well to get this far!!

Good luck! Just keep eating and drinking and definately try to take naps when you can as it help milk production.. (wish I had learnt this before it was too late!) ~

#7 Boo_Girl

Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:12 AM

Have you tried the Eden products? This protein shake could be an option :
http://www.glutenfreeshop.com.au/Product.aspx?ProductId=4486

Its soy gluten dairy free and you could add LSA for a mega protein boost. Try that and uping your portion size and adding in some more vege based protein snacks. And you could mix it with rice or almond milk.

I think that advice you got from the dietician might be a bumsteer; to suggest you cut down when you are looking after not only yourself but two babies!!!!! Good grief!

I wish you the best! When you dont have enough energy life is super hard, so I hope you improve soon!

Edited by Boo_Girl, 30 November 2012 - 10:15 AM.


#8 a letter to Elise.

Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:31 AM

I was already gluten free, and have had to cut dairy as well. It's tough, as it's a big part of my diet as well. I can still eat soy, but am trying to limit it as I don't think it's healthy to eat too much of it.

I'm eating a lot of eggs as well. I add spinach and maybe some ham or chicken to bulk it up more. You could try baked beans (not sure if ready made ones have soy, but you could makes your own and freeze portions). I have almond milk regularly, and I quite like the taste - it's good for cereal. The only gluten free cereals I find worth the effort are the expensive muesli. Otherwise you could try porridge made from rice flakes, quinoa, or polenta. I have mine with slivered almonds and stewed apple (homemade and frozen in ice cube trays).

For snacks, carrot and hommous are good. tomatoes on crackers, and I make GF/DF banana and choc chip muffins.   Most dark chocolate is gluten, dairy and soy free. I've also discovered coconut yogurt, and it is amazing. It's expensive, but very rich, so you only need a small serve. It's lovely with fruit. Coconut icecream is delicious as well. I'd also liik at some low GI foods - sweet potato, pumpkin, beans etc. all help.

I am not feeding twins, but am feeding a 6 month old (also have a 3 year old). She's recently increased her feeds dramatically, and I've had to be careful with my diet, otherwise I fade very quickly. I'm currently eating at least 3 meals a day and 3-4 snacks, and I'm still losing a lot of weight, so I can't even imagine how tough you're finding it!  

My best days are when I'm organised, and have lots of healthy fresh foods readily available. The days I fill up on crappy biscuits are the ones when I'm about to collapse by mid afternoon.

#9 The Cat's Me-Wow

Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:34 AM

A quick note that eggs shouldn't be a problem in the OPs case. They do contain some saturated fat, but it's minimal, and the benefits from the essential amino acids and protein in the eggs would outweigh the small amount of 'bad fat' in them.

I was underweight when feeding my first, and was told fats and proteins were very important. More meat, eggs, nuts. Less calorie negative veggies.

#10 Boo_Girl

Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:06 PM

I wasn't saying eggs are a problem, just that too many can raise cholesterol levels - the low density lipoprotein (LDL or bad ) cholesterol. We should include eggs as part of a healthy balanced diet that is low in saturated fat as they are packed with omegas and protein and all sorts of good stuff. The heart foundation says a healthy balanced diet can include a serve of eggs (two eggs) in two to three meals a week (they may say a little more is ok for breastfeeding mums, I haven't researched that). Not a big issue, just something to watch over time. For now just get as much protein from a mix of animal and plant sources. Let us know how you get on?

#11 Pearson

Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:40 PM

Personally, I think you need to eat more and that the dietitian you went to see was a bit of a quack. you are using a bucket load of energy with feeding. Also try a 20 min walk a day - energy does breed energy, even if it is at night to get the kids asleep or something.

If you can, make up some salads with noodles in them, add a little chicken or tinned fish (if u eat it, I dislike it) or some tofu.

Try some soup? You would be amazed what you can get in there, and it would go in the freezer in single serves. Chicken sweet corn soup is really easy to make, can be bulked out with thin pasta or noodles, and you add egg to make the scraggly bits in it.

Try mushroom, garlic, onion, tomato, all finely chopped, cooked up with some dried mixed herbs and some spinach on toast.  Dh swears this gives him more energy than any other brekkie, and fills him nicely, not leaving him feel belch or anything. We even add an egg sometimes. You can add avo and some lemon juice once it is on the toast.

HTH.

#12 tick

Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:15 PM

I had to go dairy and soy free for my breastfed baby (a singleton) and have really struggled with hunger also!  I'm allergic to nuts and don't eat much meat (recovering vegetarian).  I eat LOADS of eggs, I boil up a stack of them every couple of days and keep them in the fridge, eat them like cheese sliced on toast or crackers etc).  I also eat a lot of hommus, avocado and tinned tuna/salmon with toast, pasta or rice etc.  Yumis hommus is really the best!

Something I've started having is smoothies, I find they really fill me up for at least an hour or two so which is a lot better than most other breakfast options that leave me even more hungry.  

I use protein enriched ricemilk (vitasoy), a tablespoon of psyllium husks (thickens it, makes it fill you up more), tablespoon of linseed meal (could use LSA but I'm allergic to almonds), chia seeds, banana, frozen berries and I also add something green like spinach but you could leave that out if you like. Blend it all with a stick mixer and drink it quickly before the psyllium husk thickens otherwise it gets a bit TOO thick.  I have this for breakfast every day now and find it really helps the morning feelings of starvation!

ETA: I've also discovered this product called CoYo - coconut milk yoghurt.  It's expensive!!  But so so yum......

Edited by tick, 01 December 2012 - 03:26 PM.





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