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#1 Ianthe

Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:44 PM

I know that EB overall is very laid back about names and hates these threads but...

Vyolett.

Why?

#2 bakesgirls

Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:48 PM

Why oh why? It will forever remain a mystery.

Perhaps they wanted their child to be speshal shrug.gif

#3 Rainbow Brite

Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:49 PM

There are no words...  sick.gif

A quick google and this spelling is legit!

Edited by Madam Plum, 29 November 2012 - 09:52 PM.


#4 Hopetoun

Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:53 PM

I just heard about a BOY called Chyna.  Yes, pronounced China but so much more special for the poor kid by using a y.

#5 ~shannon~

Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

I know a little girl named Chloie.

Why put in the "i"? I don't get it!


#6 bailee

Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:57 PM

Where I used to work I used to get applications for funding, so saw many names with interesting spellings. One was ''Vilot". I think the way many people pronounce it, some people might think its spelt that way.

#7 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:58 PM

I was reading an old Take 5 magazine at the doctor's and there was a story about a girl whose Dh was named Jayc...

#8 Gudrun

Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:10 AM

This alternative has been around for a long time.  There's also Vyolet.   We find this in many names both given and family names.

Like:

Bridie/Brydie
Brian/Bryan
Rider/Ryder
Briony/Bryony
Rian/Ryan
Piper/Pyper
Dianne/Dyan
Miles/Myles
Fife/Fyfe
Friar/Fryar

Edited by Gudrun, 30 November 2012 - 12:36 AM.


#9 MrsLexiK

Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:40 AM

Oh sweet Jesus.

I don't care what you name your child, BUT spell it correctly and how it is meant to be spelt!

#10 Imaginary friend

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:55 AM

But if its a legitimate established variation then the parent is spelling it one of the ways it is meant to be spelt.

There was a thread a week or so back about a poster who wanted to spell Ryan as Rian - now  I wouldnt do that either because Ryan is by far the most well known version in australia - but many other posters were saying use Rian, its the original and authentic irish version, people here will get used to it etc - how is using Vyolett any different?


No offence to the poster who started Rian/Ryan thread - just an example of how EB thiniking seems inconsistent to me.

#11 MrsLexiK

Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE (4kidlets @ 30/11/2012, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But if its a legitimate established variation then the parent is spelling it one of the ways it is meant to be spelt.

There was a thread a week or so back about a poster who wanted to spell Ryan as Rian - now  I wouldnt do that either because Ryan is by far the most well known version in australia - but many other posters were saying use Rian, its the original and authentic irish version, people here will get used to it etc - how is using Vyolett any different?


No offence to the poster who started Rian/Ryan thread - just an example of how EB thiniking seems inconsistent to me.

Please tell me when Vyolet became a legitimate established variation? Just because you stick a Y in it and it turns up on Nameberry under variation does not mean it is legitimate.

The same goes for putting x's instead of ck's or just putting in J's/H's which are silent and Y's rather then an I for the sake of it.

#12 ComradeBob

Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE
Rian/Ryan

See, if I saw that, I would assume that Rian was meant to be pronounced Ree-an, because that is the gaelic form of Ryan. Eg the surname O'Ryan can be O'Rian pr O'Ree-an  huh.gif

#13 EsmeLennox

Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:31 PM

I've been on EB for years, I am not, nor will I ever be tolerant of 'special spelling'. It gives me the irrits and makes my job difficult! Try having four 'Caitlins' in your class with four different spellings. Does my bloody head in. There should be some law against it. tongue.gif

#14 Bam1

Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (Jemstar @ 30/11/2012, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've been on EB for years, I am not, nor will I ever be tolerant of 'special spelling'. It gives me the irrits and makes my job difficult! Try having four 'Caitlins' in your class with four different spellings. Does my bloody head in. There should be some law against it. tongue.gif


Just as there should be a law about having teachers who can't even handle different name spellings. If they can't handle that aspect of modern society, how are they going to handle the hard stuff  tongue.gif

#15 RichardParker

Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:41 PM

Australia really needs to follow Denmark's lead and establish some kind of a body for the approval of names and spellings.  We just cannot allow these atrocities and confusion to continue.

#16 EsmeLennox

Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (Bam1 @ 30/11/2012, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just as there should be a law about having teachers who can't even handle different name spellings. If they can't handle that aspect of modern society, how are they going to handle the hard stuff  tongue.gif


The hard stuff, once learned, rarely changes. Name spellings, on the other hand, appear to be in a constant state of flux. I will deal with the 'hard stuff' any day over bloody variable spelling of names. I can manage the different spellings: Caitlin, Katelyn, Kaitlyn and Catelin, it's just matching them up to the right child all the time that's the problem! Lol

Edited by Jemstar, 30 November 2012 - 01:47 PM.


#17 4Littleloves

Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:17 PM



QUOTE (Bam1 @ 30/11/2012, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just as there should be a law about having teachers who can't even handle different name spellings. If they can't handle that aspect of modern society, how are they going to handle the hard stuff  tongue.gif


:rof
Love it!!!! We are so lucky to live in a free country aren't well........WTF is it anyone else's business to always complain about how other people choose to spell THEIR child's name?!? Some people just need to get a life and move on ..seriously

#18 Imaginary friend

Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

QUOTE (MrsLexiK @ 30/11/2012, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please tell me when Vyolet became a legitimate established variation? Just because you stick a Y in it and it turns up on Nameberry under variation does not mean it is legitimate.

The same goes for putting x's instead of ck's or just putting in J's/H's which are silent and Y's rather then an I for the sake of it.


I have no idea when it did - but  I read threads above me and see that it is so.

Not just the one about googling but also Gudruns informative post on it.

Just because  I havent heard of a spelling doesnt mean it is made up.

Also names and spellings are not finite forever - as  I have said before I do object to ridiculous one-off made up spellings like Khaa-T'tlynne (just made that up myself biggrin.gif )  but  I dont object to Kaitlin or Caitlyn,  I think teachers can cope with that, bit of a worry if they cant.

#19 Guest_Sunnycat_*

Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:05 PM

For some reason Vyolet looks less wrong than Vyolett to me.

#20 rose888

Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:21 PM

surely someone should tell the parents that the correct  " special"spelling is


       Vyletth  

with the h optional and silent  




#21 Gudrun

Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:42 AM

The English names we inherit or indeed are given often represent old spellings eg from Old or Middle English or various anglicisations of Gaelic, French etc.   Names may get passed down as is, while most of our language evolves and leaves old forms behind.  Names sometimes come from a time where anything went in terms of spelling.  

As far as violets are concerned I know they had them in ancient Rome because that is where we get the word from (viola).   However in terms of when, where and how it was spelt in English I don't know.
But since Chaucer, 'the father of English literature', who wrote in the 14th century, spelt sometimes as somtyme, I would't be surprised to see vyolet or vyolett etc if he wrote about violets.

#22 BlondieUK

Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:31 AM

QUOTE (Hopetoun @ 29/11/2012, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just heard about a BOY called Chyna.  Yes, pronounced China but so much more special for the poor kid by using a y.


I have had two Cambodian students with this name - maybe it's traditional there?
And - I would rather have 4 xCaitlin with different spelling than the 3 x James Wong that I had in my first year of teaching!


#23 LadyLabyrinth

Posted 01 December 2012 - 04:58 AM

QUOTE (20%Cooler @ 30/11/2012, 02:36 PM)
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That's a Vyolation, that is!


roll2.gif  roll2.gif Ha ha good one

#24 Plaxy

Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:21 PM

Further to Gudrun's explanation about spelling history - 'the more things change the more they stay the same' in some ways.
We think of ourselves as having spelling rules now, but do we really and are we actually any different? Compare these 2 lists!!


extract from
English given names from C16th and early C17th Marriage records (S L Uckerman)


Isabell 751
   Isabell 434
   Isabella 74
   Issabell 57
   Isbell 33
   Issebell 21
   Isable 12
   Esabell 9
   Yzabell 7
   Issabella [L] 6
   Izabell 6
   Issobell 5
   Essabell 4
   Isbel 4
   Yssabell 4
   Essebell 3
   Isebell 3
   Izabel 3
   Ysabell 3
   Isabela [L]
   Issbell 2
   Bell 1
   Esbell 1
   Essabel 1
   Essybell 1
   Ezabell 1
   Eziabell 1
   Isaabell [sic] 1
   Isab * 1
   Isabellam [L]
   Isaebell 1
   Issable 1
   Izebell 1
   Osabell




Compare with this:
2011 South Australia BDM:


ISABEL 18
ISABELA 1
ISABELL 3
ISABELLA 117
ISABELLA-LEE 1
ISABELLA-MARIE 1
ISABELLA-RACHAL 1
ISABELLAH 1
ISABELLE 52

ISOBEL 7
ISOBELLE 2
ISRA 1
ISSABELLA 1
ISSABELLE 1
ISZABELLA 1
IZABELL 1
IZABELLA 8
IZABELLE 1
IZEL 1
IZUMI 1
IZZABELLA 3
IZZABELLE
YZABELLA 1

YZABELLA 1


#25 Gudrun

Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

Thank you for those lists, Susiebelle. Very illustrative!

Violet/Vyolet/Vyolett/Violett/Viollett all recorded as surnames in England in the 1500's.

Edited by Gudrun, 01 December 2012 - 03:34 PM.





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