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#1 Rachaelxxx

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:00 PM

This is the scenario.  Your school for many many years has had a policy where no parents of students would be offered a position to work in the office at the school.  This isn't a policy set in concrete, but yes over the years many mothers have if there were any jobs going and were always told that they don't hire parents of students at the school for privacy reasons.

You turn up to school one day and see a mother working in the office, she is only on casual and will next year will be working full time, but she was approached and asked would she be interested in a job in the office.

Would you be happy for her, mad that she was offered such a position, would you put a complaint in writing.  What would you do and how would you feel.

#2 CallMeFeral

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:04 PM

I'd be happy for her but mad at the school for showing, presumably, some kind of favouritism.
I'm not sure if I could be bothered complaining.

#3 Caitlin Happymeal

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:04 PM

I dont know... Ive been in a situation where I have been denied a permanent position that I was temping in for aaaages because "we don't encourage nepotism" (My dad was the manager of the group I was working in), but they had (before and after the time I was working there) a steady stream of family member. At the time, yeah, I felt quite peeved and took it a bit personally.

I do get frustrated when someone says "our policy is xyz" but they turn around and make exceptions.

But I guess at the same time, Id also be happy for the lady who got the job.

#4 ChunkyChook

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:06 PM

I would be happy for her, but it would also raise a few questions in my head. I wouldn't complain though, and unless I had personally been knocked back for a position at the school based on the fact my children attended. Actually even then I wouldn't complain but I would ask what the story was though.



#5 fatbelly

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

I personally wouldn't care because I don't have to work and don't want to work, more power to her.

I would ask her who she had to sleep with to get the job because I am a notorious gossip.

Do mums really want to work at their kids school? I'm just not that into it.

#6 BadCat

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

I'd be a bit miffed but would wonder whether what the circumstances involved were.  Could be all sorts of reasons why they've made an exception.

#7 CleverChook

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:09 PM

I'd be happy for her.  I also wouldn't really buy the 'we don't hire parents line'.  That's seems pretty weird to me, and not really conducive to the sort of school community I like for my kids.  I like having other mums around the school in different capacities.


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Do mums really want to work at their kids school? I'm just not that into it.

Really?  It'd be my dream come true! So envious as well, I guess

Edited by CleverChook, 28 November 2012 - 02:10 PM.


#8 casime

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:10 PM

Was the job advertised?  Maybe the mother has special qualifications that were needed in the role.

#9 Rosie R

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:11 PM

I don't think you can be mad at her for being offered the position, she didn't make the rule the school did.

Maybe not so honest, but the school may have created this rule to avoid insulting parents by denying them the position?

Just speculation on my behalf.

I don't think its logical for anyone to be anything but happy for her.

I've gone for many jobs that have had friends/colleagues going for the same role.  Essentially I've just accepted that they were the best person for the job.

#10 threetimesblessed

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:22 PM

Policies change, circumstances change, school executive change.

Maybe the job was advertised and she was the most appropriately qualified?

What would complaining achieve? She is currently working in the role and will do so next year.

Wearing the hats of a parent/staff member is not always easy.



#11 Tigerdog

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:27 PM

If I were interested in the job at any time then yes I would be mad but if not then I don't know that I'd even turn a hair at it.

#12 Ice Queen

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:31 PM

Happy.  I would assume the person had the perfect qualifications for the job and was good at it.  For that reason I would be pleased that the school had the common sense to overlook a ridiculous redtape policy in order to give a job to a person who deserved it.

#13 Chaos in stereo

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:35 PM

I wouldn't have a problem with the person involved, but I would question why the school made an exception for her. Is the concern for the privacy of students and their families no longer valid? ie: has the school changed its records management so that a person in her position will not have access to sensitive information?

If not, I would have a problem with the school's decision. If she could see where parents had made complaints about a staff member, or the child's disciplinary history, or private health information that is potentially stigmatising, I don't think it is right.

#14 Ianthe

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:36 PM

If there was a position available then it should have been advertised to the school community.

#15 Tigerdog

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:36 PM

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Maybe not so honest, but the school may have created this rule to avoid insulting parents by denying them the position?


Come on, give grown adults their due re. handling not being successful in a job application!  More insulting and likely to get people off-side in the log-term to quote this silly rule then go ahead and break it as it suits them!

Personally I don't know how anyone would be that involved in their school to even know the movements of the office staff, there are plenty of office jobs out there so I probably wouldn't have even gone for that one in the first place!

#16 papilio

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:37 PM

If the school my kids go to instituted such a policy now, they'd lose half their staff!

I honestly wouldn't care.

#17 FeralEsme

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE (Ianthe @ 28/11/2012, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If there was a position available then it should have been advertised to the school community.


This. In fact schools in the public system are REQUIRED to do so. Is this a public or private school?

I wouldn't be mad at the person who has the job, but I would be annoyed that correct procedure was not followed for accountability reasons.

#18 bakesferalgirls

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:40 PM

I don't think I'd care enough to form an opinion on it.

#19 mez70

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:42 PM

Also it would depend if her kids were still at the school the following year.. If her child was in the last year of primary school and moving the following year then next year she wont actually be a parent..

The may have had this policy in the past yet the person in the role is and was the only suitable applicant or possess a specific skill the school needed and wanted.

I personally could care less. I know at my kids school the lady in the office was a school mum first then active on the pfa etc then was helping out a day or 2 a week and is now full time do I care no, can she do the job yes....... so more power to her.. her girls have since left the school as well so we still haev a wonderful person in our school community who we may have otherwise lost


#20 casime

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:44 PM

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If there was a position available then it should have been advertised to the school community.


I wouldn't expect a job to be advertised to the school community, I would expect it advertised wherever that school normally places their job advertisements.  Maybe it was, she applied, was the right applicant, and got the job.  Occam's razor and all that.

#21 FiveAus

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

Workplace policies change all the time. New management, new government (for public service jobs) can mean policies change without much warning.
As far as a school office goes, it's just a regular admin job, not sure why it would need to be advertised to the school community. Do they advertise cleaners jobs that way? Teachers? I'm sure there are parents who are teachers.

#22 FeralEsme

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

Yes, advertised to the school community via the appropriate channels. Also if schools have a short term position of this nature (ie an office type position that the department/organisation doesn't have a redeployee for) to fill there is some scope to advertise on a local in-school basis first, but this would only ever be a temporary position, which would then have to be opened to more rigorous selection processes to fill the position permanently.

Edited by Jemstar, 28 November 2012 - 02:54 PM.


#23 Heather11

Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

QUOTE (papilio @ 28/11/2012, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If the school my kids go to instituted such a policy now, they'd lose half their staff!

I honestly wouldn't care.



Same here.  This includes teachers as well.

Maybe it was advertised through the proper channels, she applied and was the best fit for the job.

#24 AstralMoon

Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

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UOTE
Maybe not so honest, but the school may have created this rule to avoid insulting parents by denying them the position?

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Come on, give grown adults their due re. handling not being successful in a job application! More insulting and likely to get people off-side in the log-term to quote this silly rule then go ahead and break it as it suits them!


I think the pp meant that some parents just go into their school office and expect to be given a paid job just because they have shown an interest.

Some parents really don't have any idea of how the system works  -not pointing the finger,just saying that that is a truth. They don't know what they don't know, that's all. Govt school = Govt job & a  Selection process.

Edited by AstralMoon, 28 November 2012 - 03:03 PM.


#25 fancie

Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:17 PM



Perhaps this person was already registered with the Education Department and was working within the school system but at other schools - then applied for a transfer to their children's school when the position became available.








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