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#1 SCARFACE CLAW

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:09 PM

We recently put our DS into Childcare for one day a week, on the recommendation of the paediatrician for socialisation. I am not working, and DH earns too much for us to be eligable for CCR or CCB.

Childcare are having trouble with the CRNs we have provided them and can't get them to work, and told us we need to contact Centrelink to sort it out. We asked if that is necessary, seeing as we can't get anything back, can't we just pay and be done with it? They said Centrelink still need to know...

So wise EBers, can anyone tell me WHY Centrelink need to know? Are they monitoring our every move now? Why can't we just pay for childcare privately out of our own pockets?


PS: DH doesn't have time to call CL today, thus why I'm asking here original.gif

#2 casime

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:12 PM

I don't know for sure, but I imagine there may be some reporting on the part of the daycare regarding full-fee paying and subsidised places?

#3 cinnabubble

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:14 PM

I imagine it's like going to the doctor without your Medicare card. It messes with the system. Also, there's more to the administration of a childcare centre and its regulation than whetger you get money back. All kids need to be in the system so the government can ensure that regulations are being applied appropriately.

#4 Leggy

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:14 PM

I have no idea, but I feel your pain Effin' Centrelink. Or Centrestink, as my sis likes to call it ("Yes, I'm still disabled...amazingly, my whacked-out brain function problem for the last 15 years, that my doctor says is for life, is still ongoing...")

#5 Heather11

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:15 PM

Maybe it is if any circumstances changes, ie you separate, DH loses his job.  If you are in the system then you may be eligible for a rebate on what you have already paid.  

Are the children's CRNs attached to your DH's or yours?  Are you able to ring yourself and inquire?

#6 bakesferalgirls

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:15 PM

You may not be eligible for childcare benefit, but they probably need to know for child care rebate. That and perhaps they may need to do a reconciliation payment to you at the end of the financial year.

That's all I can come up with...

Edited by bakesgirls, 28 November 2012 - 12:18 PM.


#7 JRA

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:15 PM

What is a crn? There are children that centrelink have never heard about, what happens if they want to go to childcare?

Eta; you don't need a Medicare card to go to the doctor

Edited by JRA, 28 November 2012 - 12:16 PM.


#8 belsy

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:15 PM

there is no income test on CCR, you should be eligible for that.

#9 JRA

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:17 PM

You need to work to get ccr or study etc. The op doesn't so ccr is irrelevant

#10 casime

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:17 PM

QUOTE
Or Centrestink, as my sis likes to call it


We used to call it Centrespank when I worked in Job Services.

#11 melski1

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE (belsy @ 28/11/2012, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
there is no income test on CCR, you should be eligible for that.


Everyone gets the CCR, you either claim it at the time the fee is paid or later (eg quarterly) from Centrelink. It's not means tested.

It's really as simple as going into Medicare and pushing the Family Services button.

Also, it'll be important when it comes time to do your taxes.

#12 Julie3Girls

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:18 PM

Probably because that is the way the childcare system is set up.

As far as I know, childcare report absentees, fees etc directly to centrelink. Centrelink then has the information to pay CCB, rebates, know when people have their allowable absenses etc.
It is all very automated now, to allow for things like the fortnightly payment of the chidlcare rebate.

So I'm guessing the childcare centre wouldn't have any other way to track your enrolment/fees etc other than through their system.

So not really a case of centrelink monitoring your moves, just the way it works to let them pay the vast majority.


QUOTE
Everyone gets the CCR, you either claim it at the time the fee is paid or later (eg quarterly) from Centrelink. It's not means tested.

you only get it both you and your partner pass the work/study/training test.

Edited by Julie3Girls, 28 November 2012 - 12:20 PM.


#13 bubblegummum

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:18 PM

I suspect their computer systems are set up in a way that they have to have an accurate CRN.

#14 JRA

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:20 PM

Melski1: not everyone gets ccr.

Also what does the cost of childcare have to do with the op or her husbands tax

Edited by JRA, 28 November 2012 - 12:20 PM.


#15 SCARFACE CLAW

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE (bakesgirls @ 28/11/2012, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You may not be eligible for childcare benefit, but they probably need to know for child care rebate. That and perhaps they may need to do a reconciliation payment to you at the end of the financial year.

That's all I can come up with...


QUOTE (melski1 @ 28/11/2012, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Everyone gets the CCR, you either claim it at the time the fee is paid or later (eg quarterly) from Centrelink. It's not means tested.

It's really as simple as going into Medicare and pushing the Family Services button.

Also, it'll be important when it comes time to do your taxes.


I'm not working or studying - we are not eligable for anything! It seems like a waste of time to me that CL need to know about every child in care. If our circumstances change, I highly doubt they'd be backpaying either! Surely they should happily accept that we're willing to just bloody pay - the money is there, take it! rolleyes.gif

#16 EmandZac

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:26 PM

we went through the exact same thing.. We didnt get anything for child care. DS CRN wouldn't work according to the child care ....according to centrelink it did work. it was like a yoyo and I was stuck in the middle. I kept on offering to pay the bill but child care said no because it wouldnt line up with centrelink(the bill was over $5000 before the let me pay it. This went on for many months ... I think what centrelink did in the end was get me to fill out the paperwork again and wipe his number and re-enter the information again.

I believe that you need to meet the criteria for CCR! I didn't meet it because I wasnt working.

#17 SCARFACE CLAW

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:30 PM

QUOTE (EmandZac @ 28/11/2012, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
we went through the exact same thing.. We didnt get anything for child care. DS CRN wouldn't work according to the child care ....according to centrelink it did work. it was like a yoyo and I was stuck in the middle. I kept on offering to pay the bill but child care said no because it wouldnt line up with centrelink(the bill was over $5000 before the let me pay it. This went on for many months ... I think what centrelink did in the end was get me to fill out the paperwork again and wipe his number and re-enter the information again.

I believe that you need to meet the criteria for CCR! I didn't meet it because I wasnt working.




Ugh, just what I needed to hear! I hope we can work it out quicker than that!

#18 Coffeegirl

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:34 PM

The software at our B&A centre will not allow you to enter the child and create valid statements etc without a CRN number. It seems to be because the software uploads the information to CL automatically every week and the two systems have to match.  Without the CRN number - it throws up a heap of errors.

The software can't actually be set to not send a child's details.   PITA with parents who are slow to advise this at the start of each year!

Personally I think the software was just set up and tested assuming that every child will have a CRN.  

Can your centre not just manage your DS' enrollment manually?



#19 EBeditor

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

CCR is not means tested but you are supposed to be working or studying to receive it. I am not sure if this is enforced.
Anyway, hate the stupid CRNs, I can never remember them and have to dig through paperwork when I need to re-enrol the kids in OOSH or contact Centrelink.

Can you go in and see Centrelink directly?

#20 Cappie

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:39 PM

I am eligible for CCR due to meeting the study requirements, however after six months of chasing Centrelink / Family Assistance we still haven't gotten a CRN for our daughter and our childcare has never questioned this other than to let us know at the start that if/when we get it they are happy to back date for us. I know of quite a few families that attend DD's daycare that are also paying with no CRN.

Is it possible to drop by a Family Assistance office? I know I have always found I get much more achieved in person than on the phone.

#21 Orangedrops

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:39 PM

We are also not eligible and I have never had to provide a CRN to daycare or preschool. I imagine it must have something to do with their accounts system as it certainly isn't necessary everywhere.

#22 Pinky101

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:41 PM

We get CCR, but it took around 3 months for Centrelink to process the application when DD started childcare. So for the first 3 months, the childcare centre did not have a CRN for her, but they were still able to send us the statements every fortnight for us to pay. So I'm not sure why it wouldn't work for someone not receiving CCR (or CCB).

#23 SCARFACE CLAW

Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:47 PM

Hmmm, if I get a chance I'll drop into Medicare tomorrow or Friday and see what I can find out. It seems like a big PITA given we won't get anything out of it!

#24 Cat Burglar

Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:42 PM

Is it so the government can report on utilization of childcare services and work out the best way to direct their funding?

I have also heard that centrelink chase up people who dont have any obvious form of income as they may be working cash in hand, so they must be a nosey department tongue.gif



#25 Feral_Pooks

Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:21 PM

I was coming in to say just call/visit Medicare. Honestly it's no big deal, it's an administrative thing. It's Family Services, Centrelink and Medicare just administer the customer contact side of it, and it's woven into the childcare thing. They aren't being big brother, your records will be boring as batsh*t, who cares. Just like you need a TFN for some stuff and a Medicare number for others, you need a CRN for this. It will take a few minutes to resolve. I really don't get the issue.




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